These will be some busy days for
Juno Rowland and me in OpenSim...
Right now, the is visiting us at in . About two dozen avatars on a packed standard region of 256x256m. In fact, some have crossed into neighbouring sims, probably without even noticing. It doesn't help that it's night during the whole hour of their visit.
Right afterwards, we're off to the on-going weekly party over on .
In fact, today is the official 15th anniversary of Dorenas World. It's the only German grid that has ever managed to live for this long, and it's the third-oldest surviving OpenSim grid now. Only , the first public grid from 2007, and are older.
The anniversary will be celebrated from tomorrow on until Sunday. I'll post the schedule later. Just so much: We've finally managed to get to perform here.
And next week, on January 25th, Dereos will celebrate its 10th anniversary on a sim built for the occasion..
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Dereos I myself would say that (streams) is stable enough to give it a try. Especially if you want to start a
public instance, for we've only got two public, open-registration instances on (streams) now. But even if you want to go solo, you may want to give it a try, although single-user (streams) instances are only half the fun.
I've heard of a few guys who are already giving Forte a try or want to. But it's still too experimental to rely on it as a daily driver, I guess, also because that might overload Mike with bug reports which he'll have to fix quickly because people rely on it. I wouldn't daily-drive Forte until Mike says it's safe.
Only if you need Hubzilla's extra features (articles, cards, wikis, webpages...), it makes sense to install Hubzilla.
The support groups would be
Hubzilla Support Forum and
Streams, respectively.
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Forte Doesn't seem like there's any active developers either.
Um, . It is very much still under development, and it has multiple active main developers, especially .
Oh, and
Mike Macgirvin isn't the Hubzilla main dev anymore either. In 2018, he has passed Hubzilla on to the community in the shape of
Mario Vavti and
Harald Eilertsen to concentrate on the advancement of Zot. He launched Osada (2018), Zap (2018), another Osada (2019),
yet another Osada (2020), a new Mistpark (2020 that's Friendica's old name), a new Redmatrix (2020 that's Hubzilla's old name) and Roadhouse (early 2021).
His current works are and .
Mike is working on both almost all alone and entirely in his spare time. He has officially "retired" from software development effective September 1st, 2024, so he has more important things to do in his spare time like tend to his land in Australia. You can't expect something from him that looks like several million dollars have been spent by a Silicon Valley corporation on the UI design. Or from anyone in the Fediverse.
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Forte IMO a screen like this (where you end up when you try to join) is a dead end for 99% of users.
Again, IMO, the most important thing for Mastodon is having mastodon.social as the default way to join. Federation is important, but having an obvious choice of server is even more important, if the goal is growth.
Well, Friendica's goal is not growth, growth and more growth at all costs. Neither is it the goal of Friendica's descendants from the same developer, at least the last two of which can serve as Facebook replacements just as well: Hubzilla, (streams), Forte. Neither is it the goal of the Fediverse as a whole.
Also, Friendica is decidedly and intentionally against instances that grow too big. It doesn't want to concentrate the vast majority of users on one node.
All Facebook replacements in the Fediverse intentionally wear decentralisation on their lapels because it's part of their concept and identity. None of them will ever put newbie convenience before everything else, pretend to newbies to be a centralised, monolithic silo website and leave its users some two to six months to accidentally find out that, oh, by the way, it's decentralised.
So "user name, password, there you go" is not going to happen here.
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Forte If your admin has the money for an API license, you can integrate an account into a Friendica account or a Hubzilla channel, just like you can integrate a Bluesky account into a Friendica account (yes, you can do that without a bridge), and just like you can integrate a Tumblr account into both.
The technology is still there and has been since long before Mastodon was made. Oh, and in case you don't know, both Friendica and Hubzilla are part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon (Hubzilla only optionally, but still, I'm posting this from Hubzilla right now).
The only reason why both Friendica and Hubzilla are factually disconnected from is because none of their admins (probably) can and want to pay for an API license. But, again, the technology is still there in both cases and installed on all Friendica nodes and Hubzilla hubs. It's just deactivated.
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Hubzilla That's probably because they're all being railroaded to pixelfed.social, and they think Pixelfed is a centralised silo because nobody tells them about decentralisation and the Fediverse. What we know as the Fediverse is only one website to them.
For a stark contrast, look at all those who are on Mastodon, and who try to relocate from Facebook to Friendica. These people actually haven't really arrived in the Fediverse yet. Otherwise they'd know that they can follow those of their friends who move from Facebook to Friendica (or elsewhere) from Mastodon, and they don't need a Friendica account just to be able to follow Friendica accounts.
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Fediverse The main (stable) equivalents in the Fediverse to Facebook (albeit not even close to outright clones, but better) are, in chronological order of creation:
- ()
The only one with , although iOS is only covered by an early beta app. Some learning curve. - ()
The most powerful one. The steepest learning curve of the three. - ()
The most advanced one and still quite powerful. A bit steeper learning curve. Intentionally absent from instance lists (ask me for recommendations).
All three were created by the same guy who still occasionally maintains (streams) as well as something even newer which is still experimental.
and are rather more powerful replacements for Twitter/.
Since you were probably unaware of this: All of these as well as Mastodon, Pixelfed and in are connected to one another via a protocol called ActivityPub. This means that you can follow Friendica or Pixelfed users from Mastodon. In fact, I'm writing this to you from Hubzilla right now, and you can read it on Mastodon. That is, Hubzilla is a special case: ActivityPub support is available, but optional and off by default for new users.
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(streams) - Move everyone to somewhere in the Fediverse and set up a public group/forum on Friendica, Hubzilla or (streams).
- Move everyone to Friendica, Hubzilla or (streams) and set up a private group/forum on Friendica, Hubzilla or (streams).
This is the closest to Facebook you can get. - Move everyone to the Threadiverse (Lemmy, Mbin, PieFed) and set up a public Lemmy community, Mbin magazine or PieFed community.
This is more like Reddit.
A Friendica group, a Hubzilla forum or a (streams) group can also include an event calendar. But hardly any places in the Fediverse other than Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) support events Mastodon doesn't.
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PieFed Ja, das ist deren Ernst. Auf Friendica sind Gruppen keine gesonderte Funktion, sondern spezielle Nutzerkonten, und zwar schon seit fast 15 Jahren.
Und das werden die Entwickler bestimmt nicht jetzt umbauen, nur weil einige Leute einen Facebook-Klon erwarten.
Wenn du keinen Bock auf Aus- und Einloggen hast, nimm lieber Hubzilla oder (streams), beide vom Friendica-Entwickler. Da sind Gruppen/Foren auch Kanle mit spezieller Einstellung, aber man kann mehrere Kanle auf einem Konto haben und zwischen denen hin- und herschalten, ohne sich aus- und wieder einloggen zu mssen.
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FriendicaTwo things are becoming glaringly obvious currently.
One, it seems like aspiring Facebook escapees want and expect Facebook as it was in December, 2024, in the Fediverse. Maybe also because that's what they're told Friendica is. Just like Twitter escapees have been wanting and expecting Mastodon (and the Fediverse as a whole) to be literally Twitter without Musk, but otherwise absolutely identical to Twitter. Because that's what they were told.
People don't want something that's better than the original. Because that's different from the original. People want 1:1 clones of the original.
Two, lots of Mastodon users, even many of those who have been around since the second Twitter migration wave of late 2022 (as in over two years)k, haven't understood the Fediverse yet. They think their Mastodon account can only connect to Mastodon accounts, and a Friendica account can only connect to Friendica accounts, and so they need a Friendica account in parallel to their Mastodon account in order to be able to stay in contact with both new Friendica users and current Mastodon users.
Little do they probably know that they already follow users of Friendica, Hubzilla, Misskey, Sharkey, Iceshrimp, Akkoma, Mbin etc. on their Mastodon accounts because Mastodon doesn't tell them. Even less do they know that Friendica is the federation world champion. Not only does it connect to everything in the ActivityPub-using Fediverse, including Mastodon, but it also has more non-ActivityPub connection options than anything else.
Not so obvious yet: If a significant number of Facebook users does end up on Friendica, we'll have a wonderful clash of cultures in the Fediverse.
- Faction #1: almost three years worth of Twitter refugees on Mastodon who still want to force Mastodon's culture upon the whole Fediverse. Including Friendica.
- Faction #2: fresh arrivals on Mastodon from Twitter who want to keep living their Twitter culture, and who don't even expect Mastodon to have its own culture.
- Faction #3: fresh arrivals on Friendica from Facebook who want to keep living their Facebook culture, and who also end up angering faction #1 with "long posts" (anything with over 500 characters).
- Faction #4: the old Fediverse guard, especially on Friendica where some users have been since years before Mastodon has even been created, who are being lectured by faction #1 and accused of harassment by factions #2 and #3.
Beware if faction #3 discovers Lemmy communities and starts joining them. For Lemmy's culture is almost identical to Reddit's culture, whether #1 wants or not.
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FediverseCulture That's because Friendica is social
networking. Just like Facebook was social
networking in 2010 when Friendica was made.
Social
media is about pumping out content. Just like Twitter and 2025's Facebook where you've got a full feed of stuff dealt to you by a secret-sauce algorithm without doing anything but joining.
Social
networking is about connecting with people. 2010's Facebook didn't have an algorithm that automatically "friended" you with people. You had to do it yourself to have something happening in your feed.
So stop using it like Twitter, and start using it like Facebook was originally meant to be used. The burger menu should have something like Connections or, better yet, Directory. From there you should get to connection suggestions. I'd say they're even closer to what you're looking for if you fill out your profile first.
If you yourself are looking for connections, there's the Friendica Directory with , etc.
Lastly, Friendica isn't a "decentralised walled garden" that can only connect within. Friendica can connect to everything within the Fediverse, including Mastodon.
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Friendica The closest there is would be the Threadiverse: Lemmy, Mbin, PieFed. Technically all Reddit replacements. The latter two are probably even more appropriate because they've got somewhat better support for Fediverse software that isn't a Reddit clone.
You can join a Lemmy community, an Mbin magazine or a PieFed community with a Mastodon account by following it. Starting new threads is not "Mastodon 101" straight-forward because you have to take a few things into consideration (Mastodon has no real support for groups, that's why), but it's possible. And if you go over to Lemmy or Mbin or PieFed, all you see is groups, only groups and nothing but groups.
What you cannot do, however, is log onto a Lemmy, Mbin or PieFed instance with your Mastodon account and get your own personal, customisable feed. This is generally not how the Fediverse works. The only non-Mastodon place where you can "log in" with your Mastodon credentials and have a local user account automagically created with the self-same login credentials is Pixelfed.
Also, especially Lemmy is populated by 99% former Redditors. They haven't adopted Mastodon's culture just because they're in the Fediverse. Most of them barely know that Mastodon exists. Instead, Lemmy has Reddit's culture all over. Prepare for culture clashes with Mastodon users on the losing side because all mods are formerly from Reddit, too.
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PieFed Aber es kann halt eben jetzt nicht zur unserer"Kultur"gehren, die Leute in dieser Ungewissheit zu lassen - vielmehr wollen wir sie untersttzen.
Wenn du Neulinge verhtscheln und sie im Glauben lassen willst, das Fediverse sei ein einziger Twitter-Klon namens Mastodon, dann reicht es nicht, ihnen nicht die Wahrheit zu sagen. Du wirst die Wahrheit regelrecht von ihnen abschirmen mssen. Ich glaube, wir wissen alle, wie groe Erfolgschancen das hat.
Vor allem: Je lnger sie sich an ein Fediverse gewhnen, das nur Mastodon und nur ein Twitter-Klon ist, um so schlimmer wird es fr sie, wenn sie die Wahrheit erfahren.
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NichtNurMastodon No need to create them. The Fediverse has multiple all-out, full-blown Facebook alternatives readily available already now. Not Facebook
clones, but better than Facebook with features that you won't find on Facebook.
And yes, including groups on various levels of public vs private where public groups are open to the whole Fediverse including Mastodon.
- ()
Established in 2010, five and a half years before Mastodon
Federated with Mastodon since Mastodon's creation - ()
Established in 2015, ten months before Mastodon
Optionally federated with Mastodon since Mastodon's creation - ()
Established in 2021
Federated with Mastodon since its own creation
And if you're daring enough to try something experimental:
- Forte ()
Established in 2024
Federated with Mastodon since its own creation
All four were created by the same guy,
Mike Macgirvin , professional software developer of about half a century, creator of multiple Fediverse protocols and almost a dozen Facebook alternatives in the Fediverse and inventor of .
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Fediverse Ein ganz groes Problem ist eben, da viele Neulinge hier aufschlagen in der Erwartung, da das Fediverse a) ein 1:1-Klon von dem ist, wo sie weg wollen (in den letzten Jahren meistens Twitter, allmhlich mehr und mehr Faceboook), und b) ein homogenes Gebilde, wo alles gleich ist.
Dann landen sie auf Mastodon, sind total verwirrt, weil es eben kein 1:1-Twitter-Klon ist und alles komisch und anders und "falsch" ist, und schreien nach Hilfe. Hilfe, damit Mastodon und "das Fediverse" zu dem Twitter-Klon wird, den sie erwartet haben.
Wenn man ihnen dann erklrt, da alleine schon Mastodon anders ist als Twitter und wie sie mit dieser Andersartigkeit produktiv umgehen knnen, dann ist das falsch und ignorant und berheblich, weil das nicht ist, was sie hren wollten.
Wenn man ihnen dann auch noch erklrt, da das ganze Fediverse nicht nur Mastodon und schon gar kein reiner, homogener Twitter-Klon ist, dann ist das nicht nur besserwisserisch, weil sie das auch nicht hren wollen, sondern regelrecht bergriffig.
Erst vor ein paar Tagen ist mir jemand ber den Weg gelaufen, der gerade frisch von auf Mastodon angekommen war. Der war nach Mastodon gekommen mit drei Vorstellungen bombenfest in seinem Kopf einbetoniert:
- Mastodon ist buchstblich Twitter ohne Musk, aber ansonsten mit Twitter identisch.
- Das Fediverse ist das Netzwerk von Mastodon. Und ausschlielich Mastodon.
- Somit: Das Fediverse ist buchstblich Twitter ohne Musk, aber ansonsten mit Twitter identisch.
Allerdings mute er erst feststellen, da Mastodon eben nicht bis auf Musk mit Twitter identisch ist. Auerdem geriet er an genau die "richtigen" Leute und erfuhr, da das Fediverse nicht mal ausschlielich aus Mastodon besteht.
Ich habe noch nie erlebt, wie ein Fediverse-Neuankmmling so zutiefst schockiert ber diese Erkenntnisse war. Ich glaube, diesen Schock hat er bis heute nicht berwunden.
Auch wenn viele auf Mastodon das nicht verstehen und herunterspielen: Genau das passiert, wenn die Leute nicht erfahren, was das Fediverse ist,
bevor sie sich auf Mastodon anmelden.
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NichtNurMastodon Yes, Friendica supports groups, both public and private. A group is basically only another user account, but with a different settings preset.
Public groups can be joined by just about anyone in the Fediverse, including Mastodon users. (In case you didn't know yet, Friendica is federated with Mastodon.) Private groups can only be joined by Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) users.
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Friendica Long Der Pepe (Hubzilla) Mastodon hat ja einen HTML-"Sanitiser". Bis Mastodon 3 hat der
alles an HTML rausgeschmissen und alle Posts von berallher in Reintext umgewandelt, weil Textformatierung in puristischem Microblogging angeblich nichts zu suchen hat. Seit Mastodon 4 "darf" Mastodon zumindest ein paar Formatierungsfeatures darstellen.
Ich wei aber nicht, wo der Sanitiser sitzt. Wenn er im Backend, sollten Posts von auerhalb auch auf der Mastodon-Weboberflche sichtbare HTML-Tags haben, weil er dann selbst eine Macke hat.
Wenn er aber im Frontend sitzt, dann mu jede Mastodon-App einen eigenen HTML-Sanitiser haben. Entweder den oder die Fhigkeit, HTML zu rendern. Dann sieht es fr mich eher so aus, als wre bis heute gegen die Annahme gebaut, da das Fediverse nur Mastodon ist und es daher im Fediverse keine Textformatierung gibt, nur Reintext.
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IceCubesApp It has been a while since I've last used Friendica I'm mostly on Hubzilla now plus a bit on (streams).
But AFAIK, all three let you post to certain connections, including to a specific circle (Friendica)/privacy group (Hubzilla)/access list ((streams)), basically something similar to Mastodon's lists. In either case, these posts and the whole threads are flagged not public, and especially Hubzilla and (streams) don't allow changing access permissions within a thread. Mastodon understands these limited-access posts as PMs.
In theory, it's possible to post "followers only" like on Mastodon: Create a circle/privacy group/access list, add all your contacts to it and send a post to this circle/privacy group/access list.
In addition, all three support something similar to Facebook groups which is a) moderated and b) optionally private, as in nobody can look inside from outside. On Friendica, a group is a user account which you have to register separately. Likewise, on Hubzilla and (streams), a forum or group is a channel with special settings, but instead of having to register a new account, you can create a new channel on your existing account next to your existing channel.
As for E2EE, neither supports any standard E2EE technology. Hubzilla and (streams) allow for conversations to be optionally encrypted. But: Only the transmission is encrypted. Encryption uses a passphrase rather than a private/public key pair. Both sides must have the encryption add-on activated, and it isn't even necessarily available on all server instances. Encryption may only work within Hubzilla and within (streams), but not between them. And, obviously, encryption does not work to the outside, e.g. Friendica or Mastodon.
Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) can replace Facebook, but not WhatsApp. That's what Matrix and XMPP are for.
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PrivateGroups Possible solutions within the Fediverse:
- Friendica was designed explicitly as a Facebook alternative long before Mastodon. It has always had discussion groups, including private groups. But private groups can only be used by users on Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams), not by Mastodon users.
- Hubzilla and (streams) are both technologically advanced descendants of Friendica from Friendica's own creator. Their learning curves are different grades of steeper than Friendica's. They offer private groups, too, but based on their own advanced permissions systems. These private groups probably only work for users on Hubzilla and (streams) not sure about Friendica users. Mastodon users are out again.
Still, as a user on Friendica, Hubzilla or (streams), you can connect with the rest of the Fediverse, including Mastodon, so no need to have a Mastodon account for Mastodon connections and a Friendica account for Facebook escapees on Friendica.
(streams) is intentionally kept away from places like FediDB and Fediverse Observer, so don't bother looking for its few public instances. If you're still interested, ask me again.
Also, Friendica is the only one of the three with mobile apps. Hubzilla and (streams) can only be installed as PWAs.
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PrivateGroups Eigentlich solltest du Friendica-Konten von jeder Mastodon-Instanz aus folgen knnen. Dafr wirst du nicht gro umziehen mssen, schon gar nicht nach Friendica.
Auch wenn Mastodon ein Twitter-Klon ist und Friendica eine Facebook-Alternative, kannst du trotzdem mit deinem Mastodon-Konto einfach einem Friendica-Konto folgen. Oder jedem anderen Konto auf jeder anderen Art von Server.
Falls dir das zu theoretisch ist, knnen wir das gerne mal in der Praxis durchspielen, damit du das direkt vor deinen Augen siehst, wie das passiert.
Ich will dafr jetzt nicht irgendjemanden auf Friendica mit reinziehen, also nehmen wir statt dessen meinen Hubzilla-Kanal. Ist dicht genug dran, denn Hubzilla fing mal an als Friendica-Fork von Friendicas eigenem Entwickler.
Jetzt sorgen wir mal zusammen dafr, wie du auf Mastodon mir auf Hubzilla folgst.
Kopier mal in deine Suche auf Mastodon folgendes rein:
jupiterrowlandhub.netzgemeinde.eu
Dann schieb mal die Suche an. Die sollte ein Ergebnis anzeigen, dem du folgen kannst. Auch wenn du es auf Mastodon siehst, ist es nicht auf Mastodon, sondern es ist mein Kanal auf Hubzilla.
Und dann folge dem mal.
Falls dich das noch nicht berzeugt, knnen wir das auch mit (streams) durchspielen. Das ist wieder vom selben Entwickler und noch ein paar Forks spter, aber immer noch ziemlich nah an Friendica dran.
Weil ich wei, da du Memes magst, such dieses Mal nach dem hier:
fedimemesonstreamsstreams.elsmussols.net
Dahinter verbirgt sich brigens mein .
Und versuch wieder, dem zu folgen.
brigens: Mit folgst du schon jemandem auf Friendica, und mit
Der Pepe (Hubzilla) folgst du demselben auf Hubzilla. Vielleicht hast du es einfach noch nicht gemerkt, weil das alles fr dich auch nicht anders aussah als Mastodon. Aber guck dir mal beide jeweils an der Quelle an und sag mir: Sieht das wie Mastodon aus
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(streams) You can forget diaspora* for two reasons.
One, it isn't connected to most of the Fediverse. Friendica, Hubzilla and Socialhome have support for diaspora*'s own protocol, to this day, diaspora* refuses to adopt ActivityPub. So it can't connect to anything else like Mastodon.
Two, it looks like it's going under anyway. At the end of December, multiple big pods were shut down. According to some statistics, diaspora* lost more half of its users within a few days.
Apart from this, while diaspora* may have the better UI, it won't offer you nearly the features you'll even find on Friendica, much less its descendants.
At the end of the day, what could be useful for you depends on what you need, for Friendica is not the only alternative to Facebook and diaspora* it's just the only one that's the talk of the town. There's also from 2015 which the vast majority of the Fediverse has never heard of, and there's officially nameless , the newest of the bunch from 2021, which is almost entirely unknown outside of Hubzilla, but still worth a look.
First things first: All three are part of the Fediverse all the same. All three support ActivityPub, only that you'll first have to activate it on your new Hubzilla channel.
So the first question is: Do you absolutely need a native mobile app Because that's only available for Friendica. Hubzilla and (streams) can be installed as Progressive Web Apps if your device supports it, but some people find that too complicated and/or need a native mobile UI and/or need something they can pull from an app store.
But if you're a desktop user, or if you aren't afraid of using a Web interface (which adapts well to mobile) on a mobile device, either in a browser or as a PWA, the other two may be worth a look.
If you don't mind a little bit more of a learning curve, if you prefer Markdown or HTML for formatting over BBcode, if you'd like to have a WebDAV file server, a CalDAV calendar server and a CardDAV addressbook server along with your Facebook alternative, if you want fine-grained control over who is permitted to do what, and if you're at least looking forward to securing your channel against server shutdown with nomadic identity, then (streams) may be something for you.
You won't find it on any instance lists it's intentionally being kept away from them. But there are currently only two public, open-registration instances that I could recommend. One, in the USA, is , run by
Waitman Gobble. The other one, in Hungary, is , run by
Der Pepe (Hubzilla) or rather
Der Pepe (nomd) who also has two Hubzilla hubs. Both instances are probably very silent now, especially Nomd where Pepe is the only user. But if I get more people to join them, this may change.
If you want another look from a guest's point of view, feel free to check my two (streams) channels (I got the account by invite):
Jupiter Rowland's (streams) outlet uses the day mode of the Fresh theme,
Jupiter's Fedi-Memes on (streams) uses its night mode.
Well, and if you aren't afraid of an even steeper learning curve and an even more complex UI, if you don't mind BBcode, if you still want fine-grained permission controls, if you want nomadic identity
now, if you think you can need diaspora* connectivity, if you want to be able to subscribe to RSS and Atom feeds, or if you want extra CMS-like features (articles, cards, wikis, even webpages), Hubzilla may be more to your liking.
In addition to the hubs listed on and (10.0.6 is the current stable and recommended version),
Scott M. Stolz is working on launching a number of new US-based hubs.
Last but not least, the three support groups:
And two private Friendica groups for and about the Facebook exodus which can also be joined from Hubzilla and (streams), but AFAIK not from Mastodon:
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(streams)Im Fediverse ist die Hlle los. Das, worauf wir seit 2010 warten, ist eingetreten: Facebook steht kurz davor, so unertrglich zu werden, da Leute von da abhauen wollen.
Daran sind aber einige Gruppierungen im Fediverse beteiligt.
Zunchst einmal wrde die Friendica-Community am liebsten mglichst viele Facebook-Nutzer nach Friendica holen, das ja 2010 ausdrcklich als Facebook-Alternative an den Start ging. Das knnen sie aber nicht, weil keiner der Friendica-Veteranen mehr auf Facebook ist.
Statt dessen wollen berraschend viele
Mastodon-Nutzer Facebook-Nutzer nach
Friendica einladen. Wohlgemerkt, das bis vor kurzem noch ein direkter Mastodon-Konkurrent war. Massenweise Mastodon-Nutzer senden jetzt Hilferufe in den ther, weil sie selbst von Friendica ber den Namen hinaus keine Ahnung haben.
Und dann gibt's natrlich die, die Facebook-Leute nach Mastodon holen wollen. Zu einem Mchtegern-Twitter-Klon. Da gibt's tatschlich vier Sorten:
- die, die nur Mastodon kennen und glauben, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon
- die, die mit ihren Facebook-Freunden in Verbindung bleiben wollen, aber das Fediverse nie verstanden haben, vor allem die Fderation zwischen verschiedenen Serveranwendungen (du kannst von deinem Twitter-Klon aus jemandem auf einer Facebook-Alternative folgen), und die glauben, das klappt nur, wenn ihre Freunde auch alle nach Mastodon kommen
- die fanatischen Mastodon-Fundis die so von Mastodons totaler berlegenheit ber das ganze restliche Fediverse berzeugt sind, da sie sich in jeden Thread, indem es um Umzug nach Friendica geht, einmischen und statt dessen einen Umzug nach Mastodon vorschlagen
- die, die es ganz einfach nicht ertragen knnen, wenn jemand sich bei etwas anmeldet, das nicht Mastodon ist, selbst wenn es mit Mastodon verbunden ist
Genau wie die Friendica-Community wartet auch die Hubzilla-Community schon lange auf genau das, was jetzt passiert. Sie geht tatschlich sogar in einen direkten Konkurrenzkampf gegen Friendica.
Der groe Unterschied ist allerdings, da Friendica besser vorbereitet ist. Es hat eine leichtere Oberflche, es hat bessere offizielle Dokumentation, und vor allem hat es
native Smartphone-Apps. Als Rckfalleben gibt's sogar die Mastodon-Client-API, obwohl Mastodon-Apps keine 10% von Friendicas Funktionsumfang abdecken. Aber sogar auf Facebook sind viele Nutzer hart abhngig von einer Smartphone-App, die sie aus dem Apple App Store oder dem Google Play Store installieren knnen. Wenn es fr etwas keine App gibt, existiert es fr sie nicht.
Derweil versucht die Hubzilla-Community, Facebook-Nutzer auf ein Hubzilla zu holen, das sogar fr Umsteiger von Friendica nicht bereit ist, geschweige denn fr solche von Facebook. Es baut immer noch auf einer Idee vom Fediverse von 2012 auf, einer Vision eines Grid aus Hubzilla-Hubs, an das alles, womit Hubzilla sich sonst noch so verbinden kann, als Satelliten angehngt ist, und das Friendica obsolet macht. Diese Vision ist durch den Erfolg von Mastodon selbst veraltet.
Hubzilla ist so komplex, da sogar Veteranen immer wieder neue Sachen lernen, die es schon seit Jahren gibt. Aber die eingebaute Dokumentation ist lckenhaft, hoffnungslos veraltet und vielfach schlicht und ergreifend fehlerhaft. Sie wird gerade neu geschrieben, aber die aktuelle Version gibt's nur auf , und selbst der, der sie schreibt, lernt immer noch Neues ber Hubzilla.
Hubzilla ist voller Hrden fr Neulinge. Es wird gern angepriesen als mit dem ganzen Fediverse verbunden, aber in Wahrheit ist ActivityPub in neuen Kanlen deaktiviert, weil nomadische Identitt damit nicht gut klarkommt. Nicht nur da, sondern statt einfach einen Schalter in den Einstellungen umzulegen, mu man eine "App" "installieren", um Mastodon-Konten folgen zu knnen. Und wenn du als Hubzilla-Newbie einfach so mit Standardeinstellungen lospostest, werden deine Posts wahrscheinlich nicht mal ffentlich sein. Es dauert eine ganze Weile, um einen Hubzilla-Kanal so einzustellen, da er ordentlich funktioniert.
Aber die grte Hrde ist immer noch das fast vllige Fehlen einer Smartphone-App. Es gibt zwar eine App names Nomad. Aber die gibt's nur fr Android. Auf F-Droid. Die benutzt hauptschlich die Weboberflche, statt eine eigene native Mobiloberflche zu haben. Und sie ist seit fnf Jahren unangetastet und kann auf neueren Gerten nicht mal mehr installiert werden. Natrlich kann man Hubzilla auch als Progressive Web App installieren. Aber der durchschnittliche Facebook-Nutzer hat noch nie von Progressive Web Apps gehrt und braucht etwas, was er aus dem Apple App Store oder Google Play Store installieren kann.
Ehrlich gesagt wrde ich sogar sagen, da es fr Facebook-Umsteiger einfacher wre, nach (streams) umzusteigen als nach Hubzilla. Es ist verschlankt, und das war tatschlich schon die erste Generation an Hubzilla-Forks. Es ist moderner und mehr ans heutige Fediverse angepat, weil die Entwicklung von allem nach Hubzilla nicht dadurch ausgebremst wurde, da so ein Software-Monster mitgeschleift werden mute. Es ist immer noch komplex, es ist immer noch mindestens so sicher wie Hubzilla, aber es ist einfacher zu handhaben, weil es darauf ausgelegt ist, was heutzutage in der tglichen Handhabung tatschlich gebraucht wird.
Und trotzdem herrscht in der kleinen (streams)-Community Stille. In der offiziellen (streams)-Gruppe habe ich noch keine Regungen gesehen bezglich Einladen von Facebook-Nutzern nach (streams). Ich glaube nicht, da die gesamte (streams)-Community hinterm Mond lebt und die bevorstehende Facebook-Auswanderungswelle erst noch bemerken mu.
Vielleicht sind sich der Hindernisse wie dem Fehlen von Smartphone-Apps fr (streams) noch mehr bewut. Vielleicht trauen sie keinem neuen (streams)-Nutzer, der nicht vorher durch die Hubzilla-Schule gegangen ist. Vielleicht sind sie selbst nicht sicher, ob (streams) inzwischen wieder stabil genug ist.
Aber vielleicht liegt das schlicht und ergreifend daran, da man auf (streams) kaum ein Zuhause finden kann. Das Problem ist nicht, da (streams)-Instanzen notorisch schwer zu finden sind, weil es auerhalb von (streams) selbst nirgendwo Listen ffentlicher (streams)-Instanzen gibt. Das Problem ist eher, da es von vornherein kaum (streams)-Instanzen gibt.
Meines Erachtens gibt's drei ffentliche (streams)-Instanzen mit offener Registrierung. Eine ist Rumbly in den USA, das um einiges mehr an Nutzern aufnehmen knnte, als es hat. Eine ist die neue Inkarnation von Nomd in Ungarn, die aber keiner kennt. Und die dritte ist Diversi Spiritus in Brasilien, das in den letzten Monaten derartig viele Probleme hatte, da ich niemandem empfehlen wrde, sich da zu registrieren, auch weil der Admin schon mit dem Gedanken gespielt hat, die ganze Instanz plattzumachen und neu aufzusetzen.
Das heit, vielleicht schaffe ich es ja doch, jemanden dazu zu bringen, von Facebook nach (streams) umzusteigen. Irgendwo mu man ja anfangen.
Na ja, und zu guter Letzt sind da die, die allen Ernstes Leute von Facebook ausgerechnet nach Bluesky einladen wollen.
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(streams)Im Fediverse ist die Hlle los. Das, worauf wir seit 2010 warten, ist eingetreten: Facebook steht kurz davor, so unertrglich zu werden, da Leute von da abhauen wollen.
Daran sind aber einige Gruppierungen im Fediverse beteiligt.
Zunchst einmal wrde die Friendica-Community am liebsten mglichst viele Facebook-Nutzer nach Friendica holen, das ja 2010 ausdrcklich als Facebook-Alternative an den Start ging. Das knnen sie aber nicht, weil keiner der Friendica-Veteranen mehr auf Facebook ist.
Statt dessen wollen berraschend viele
Mastodon-Nutzer Facebook-Nutzer nach
Friendica einladen. Wohlgemerkt, das bis vor kurzem noch ein direkter Mastodon-Konkurrent war. Massenweise Mastodon-Nutzer senden jetzt Hilferufe in den ther, weil sie selbst von Friendica ber den Namen hinaus keine Ahnung haben.
Und dann gibt's natrlich die, die Facebook-Leute nach Mastodon holen wollen. Zu einem Mchtegern-Twitter-Klon. Da gibt's tatschlich vier Sorten:
- die, die nur Mastodon kennen und glauben, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon
- die, die mit ihren Facebook-Freunden in Verbindung bleiben wollen, aber das Fediverse nie verstanden haben, vor allem die Fderation zwischen verschiedenen Serveranwendungen (du kannst von deinem Twitter-Klon aus jemandem auf einer Facebook-Alternative folgen), und die glauben, das klappt nur, wenn ihre Freunde auch alle nach Mastodon kommen
- die fanatischen Mastodon-Fundis die so von Mastodons totaler berlegenheit ber das ganze restliche Fediverse berzeugt sind, da sie sich in jeden Thread, indem es um Umzug nach Friendica geht, einmischen und statt dessen einen Umzug nach Mastodon vorschlagen
- die, die es ganz einfach nicht ertragen knnen, wenn jemand sich bei etwas anmeldet, das nicht Mastodon ist, selbst wenn es mit Mastodon verbunden ist
Genau wie die Friendica-Community wartet auch die Hubzilla-Community schon lange auf genau das, was jetzt passiert. Sie geht tatschlich sogar in einen direkten Konkurrenzkampf gegen Friendica.
Der groe Unterschied ist allerdings, da Friendica besser vorbereitet ist. Es hat eine leichtere Oberflche, es hat bessere offizielle Dokumentation, und vor allem hat es
native Smartphone-Apps. Als Rckfalleben gibt's sogar die Mastodon-Client-API, obwohl Mastodon-Apps keine 10% von Friendicas Funktionsumfang abdecken. Aber sogar auf Facebook sind viele Nutzer hart abhngig von einer Smartphone-App, die sie aus dem Apple App Store oder dem Google Play Store installieren knnen. Wenn es fr etwas keine App gibt, existiert es fr sie nicht.
Derweil versucht die Hubzilla-Community, Facebook-Nutzer auf ein Hubzilla zu holen, das sogar fr Umsteiger von Friendica nicht bereit ist, geschweige denn fr solche von Facebook. Es baut immer noch auf einer Idee vom Fediverse von 2012 auf, einer Vision eines Grid aus Hubzilla-Hubs, an das alles, womit Hubzilla sich sonst noch so verbinden kann, als Satelliten angehngt ist, und das Friendica obsolet macht. Diese Vision ist durch den Erfolg von Mastodon selbst veraltet.
Hubzilla ist so komplex, da sogar Veteranen immer wieder neue Sachen lernen, die es schon seit Jahren gibt. Aber die eingebaute Dokumentation ist lckenhaft, hoffnungslos veraltet und vielfach schlicht und ergreifend fehlerhaft. Sie wird gerade neu geschrieben, aber die aktuelle Version gibt's nur auf , und selbst der, der sie schreibt, lernt immer noch Neues ber Hubzilla.
Hubzilla ist voller Hrden fr Neulinge. Es wird gern angepriesen als mit dem ganzen Fediverse verbunden, aber in Wahrheit ist ActivityPub in neuen Kanlen deaktiviert, weil nomadische Identitt damit nicht gut klarkommt. Nicht nur da, sondern statt einfach einen Schalter in den Einstellungen umzulegen, mu man eine "App" "installieren", um Mastodon-Konten folgen zu knnen. Und wenn du als Hubzilla-Newbie einfach so mit Standardeinstellungen lospostest, werden deine Posts wahrscheinlich nicht mal ffentlich sein. Es dauert eine ganze Weile, um einen Hubzilla-Kanal so einzustellen, da er ordentlich funktioniert.
Aber die grte Hrde ist immer noch das fast vllige Fehlen einer Smartphone-App. Es gibt zwar eine App names Nomad. Aber die gibt's nur fr Android. Auf F-Droid. Die benutzt hauptschlich die Weboberflche, statt eine eigene native Mobiloberflche zu haben. Und sie ist seit fnf Jahren unangetastet und kann auf neueren Gerten nicht mal mehr installiert werden. Natrlich kann man Hubzilla auch als Progressive Web App installieren. Aber der durchschnittliche Facebook-Nutzer hat noch nie von Progressive Web Apps gehrt und braucht etwas, was er aus dem Apple App Store oder Google Play Store installieren kann.
Ehrlich gesagt wrde ich sogar sagen, da es fr Facebook-Umsteiger einfacher wre, nach (streams) umzusteigen als nach Hubzilla. Es ist verschlankt, und das war tatschlich schon die erste Generation an Hubzilla-Forks. Es ist moderner und mehr ans heutige Fediverse angepat, weil die Entwicklung von allem nach Hubzilla nicht dadurch ausgebremst wurde, da so ein Software-Monster mitgeschleift werden mute. Es ist immer noch komplex, es ist immer noch mindestens so sicher wie Hubzilla, aber es ist einfacher zu handhaben, weil es darauf ausgelegt ist, was heutzutage in der tglichen Handhabung tatschlich gebraucht wird.
Und trotzdem herrscht in der kleinen (streams)-Community Stille. In der offiziellen (streams)-Gruppe habe ich noch keine Regungen gesehen bezglich Einladen von Facebook-Nutzern nach (streams). Ich glaube nicht, da die gesamte (streams)-Community hinterm Mond lebt und die bevorstehende Facebook-Auswanderungswelle erst noch bemerken mu.
Vielleicht sind sich der Hindernisse wie dem Fehlen von Smartphone-Apps fr (streams) noch mehr bewut. Vielleicht trauen sie keinem neuen (streams)-Nutzer, der nicht vorher durch die Hubzilla-Schule gegangen ist. Vielleicht sind sie selbst nicht sicher, ob (streams) inzwischen wieder stabil genug ist.
Aber vielleicht liegt das schlicht und ergreifend daran, da man auf (streams) kaum ein Zuhause finden kann. Das Problem ist nicht, da (streams)-Instanzen notorisch schwer zu finden sind, weil es auerhalb von (streams) selbst nirgendwo Listen ffentlicher (streams)-Instanzen gibt. Das Problem ist eher, da es von vornherein kaum (streams)-Instanzen gibt.
Meines Erachtens gibt's drei ffentliche (streams)-Instanzen mit offener Registrierung. Eine ist Rumbly in den USA, das um einiges mehr an Nutzern aufnehmen knnte, als es hat. Eine ist die neue Inkarnation von Nomd in Ungarn, die aber keiner kennt. Und die dritte ist Diversi Spiritus in Brasilien, das in den letzten Monaten derartig viele Probleme hatte, da ich niemandem empfehlen wrde, sich da zu registrieren, auch weil der Admin schon mit dem Gedanken gespielt hat, die ganze Instanz plattzumachen und neu aufzusetzen.
Das heit, vielleicht schaffe ich es ja doch, jemanden dazu zu bringen, von Facebook nach (streams) umzusteigen. Irgendwo mu man ja anfangen.
Na ja, und zu guter Letzt sind da die, die allen Ernstes Leute von Facebook ausgerechnet nach Bluesky einladen wollen.
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(streams)All hell has broken loose in the Fediverse. What we have been waiting for since 2010 has happened: Facebook is about to become so unbearable that people want to leave.
But there are several Fediverse factions involved in this.
First of all, the Friendica community would love to migrate as many Facebook users as possible to Friendica which was launched in 2010 explicitly as an alternative to Facebook. But they can't because none of the Friendica veterans is on Facebook anymore.
Instead, surprisingly many
Mastodon users want to invite Facebook users over to
Friendica. Which, until now, has been considered direct competition for Mastodon. There are lots of Mastodon users shouting their requests for help into the void because they don't know Friendica beyond its name.
And then, of course, there are those who want to pull Facebook folks over to Mastodon. To a wannabe Twitter clone. In fact, there are four such factions:
- those who only know Mastodon and think the Fediverse is only Mastodon
- those who want to stay in contact with their Facebook friends, but who haven't understood the Fediverse, especially the federation between different server applications (you can follow someone on a Facebook alternative from your Twitter clone), and who think this only works when their friends join Mastodon, too
- the fanatic Mastodon fundamentalists who are so convinced of Mastodon's superiority over the whole rest of the Fediverse that they have to chime into each thread about moving to Friendica and propose a move to Mastodon instead
- those who simply cannot stand anyone joining anything that isn't Mastodon even if it's connected to Mastodon
Just like for the Friendica community, this is what the Hubzilla community has been waiting for, too. In fact, they're going into direct competition against Friendica now.
The big difference, however, is that Friendica is better-prepared. It has an easier UI, it has better official documentation, and above all,
it has native mobile apps available. There's even the Mastodon client API as a fallback, although Mastodon apps don't even cover 10% of Friendica's features. But even on Facebook, many users rely hard on a phone app that they can pull from the Apple App Store or the Google Play Store. If there's no app for it, it doesn't exist to them.
Meanwhile, the Hubzilla community is trying hard to get Facebook users to join a Hubzilla that's entirely unprepared even for converts from Friendica, much less Facebook. It's still built on an idea of the Fediverse from 2012, the vision of a grid of Hubzilla hubs with everything else that Hubzilla connects to as satellites which would render Friendica obsolete. This vision itself became obsolete with Mastodon's success.
Hubzilla is so complex that even veterans keep learning new things about it which have been there for years already. But the built-in documentation is spotty, hopelessly outdated and in many cases simply wrong. It's being rewritten, but the current version is only available on , and even the guy who writes it keeps learning new stuff about Hubzilla.
Hubzilla is full of obstacles for newbies. It is being marketed as connected to the whole Fediverse, but actually, ActivityPub is off on new channels because it doesn't play along well with nomadic identity. Not only that, but instead of just flicking a switch in the configuration, you have to "install" an "app" to be able to follow Mastodon accounts. On top of that, if you as a Hubzilla newbie start posting away on default settings, your posts probably won't even be public. It takes quite a while to set a Hubzilla channel up so that it works properly.
But the biggest obstacle is the almost total lack of a mobile app. There is one that's called Nomad. But it's only available for Android. Only on F-Droid. Instead of being fully native, it mostly uses the Web interface. And it hasn't been maintained in over five years, so it can't even be installed on newer devices. Sure, you can install Hubzilla as a progressive Web app. But the average Facebook user has never heard of progressive Web apps, and they want something that they can install from the Apple App Store or the Google Play Store.
To be honest, I'd say that it's even easier for Facebook converts to get into (streams) than into Hubzilla. It's slimmed down, in fact, the first generation of Hubzilla forks already was. It's more modern and more adapted to today's Fediverse because the development of everything post-Hubzilla wasn't slowed down by having to drag such a software monster along. It's still complex, it's still at least as secure as Hubzilla, but it's easier to handle because it's built upon what's actually needed in today's daily operation.
And still, the small (streams) community stays mum. I've yet to see any activity in the official (streams) group regarding inviting Facebook users over to (streams). I don't think that the whole (streams) community is living under a rock and has yet to notice the imminent Facebook migration wave.
Maybe it's because they're even more aware of obstacles such as the total lack of mobile apps for (streams). Maybe it's because they don't trust any new (streams) user who hasn't gone through the Hubzilla school first. Maybe it's because they themselves aren't sure whether (streams) is stable enough again.
But maybe it's simply because there's hardly anywhere to go on (streams). The issue isn't that (streams) instances are notoriously hard to find because they aren't listed anywhere outside (streams) itself. The issue is that there are hardly any to begin with.
I think there are three public, open-registration (streams) instances. One is Rumbly in the USA which could handle a whole lot more users than it has. One is the new incarnation of Nomd in Hungary which nobody even knows of. And the third one is Diversi Spiritus in Brazil which had so many issues over the last months that I really wouldn't recommend anyone to join it, also because its admin has repeatedly been taking wiping it clean and re-installing it into consideration.
That is, maybe I'll actually succeed in getting someone to move from Facebook to (streams). You have to start somewhere.
Well, and finally, there are those who seriously want to invite Facebook refugees over to Bluesky out of all places.
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(streams) If people depend hard on phone apps, if they aren't willing to use any Web interface in any browser, and if nobody knows what a progressive Web is, then Friendica is without any competition. There's better Facebook replacement than Friendica, but it's more complex and harder to get into, and there are no phone apps for it.
Recommended phone app for Friendica would be RaccoonForFriendica.
Also, those who have made it over may want to join the Friendica group .
Lastly, remember: All this is the Fediverse. Friendica and Mastodon aren't two separate networks, they are bidirectionally connected and federated.
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RaccoonForFriendica Ich kann nur raten, aber ich schtze: Mastodon soll Twitter ersetzen, Friendica soll Facebook ersetzen, Pixelfed soll Instagram ersetzen.
Aber ich wei aus Erfahrung, da es Leute gibt, die unmittelbar nach Musks bernahme von Twitter nach Mastodon gekommen sind und bis heute nicht verstanden haben, wie das Fediverse funktioniert. Fr die ist es komplett unvorstellbar, da man mit einem Twitter-Ersatz einem Facebook-Ersatz oder einem YouTube-Ersatz folgen kann. Auch wenn sie das wahrscheinlich schon lngst tun, ohne es je gemerkt zu haben.
Fr Friendica gibt's auf jeden Fall einen WordPress-Crossposter, falls dein Blog da sein sollte oder technisch kompatibel. Frag mich aber nicht, wie der funktioniert und ob der
immer alle deine Posts nach WordPress spiegelt auch wenn Hubzilla (da bin ich) auch einen hat, habe ich den nie benutzt.
Aber aus Sicht von Veteranen wie , die nicht von Musk von Twitter nach Mastodon verjagt worden sind, ist dein Mastodon-Konto jetzt eigentlich ber. Was du mit Mastodon machen kannst, kannst du auch mit Friendica machen, mit denselben Verbindungen (also auch mit Mastodon-Followers auf Friendica), und zwar sogar noch viel besser.
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FriendicaTejan Ausland Generally, Hubzilla does optionally offer encrypted conversation.
I'm not sure, however, if it encrypts the messages themselves, including in the database, or if it only encrypts the transfer.
It only works between Hubzilla channels that have this app enabled anyway because both sides need it. This mostly reduces its availability to communication between private hubs because some major public hubs don't have it enabled at hub level, so you can't enable it on your channel either if you're on one of those hubs. And, obviously, it doesn't work for communication with anything that's ActivityPub-based.
Also, I'm not sure how up-to-date it is. It's clearly a thing from the 2010s when there was that dream of a "grid" of Hubzilla hubs as its own decentralised network with StatusNet/GNU social, diaspora*, Friendica, WordPress, LiveJournal, Tumblr, Twitter etc. as optional satellites.
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E2EEncryptionWhy should we be honest when noone else is
Why should we be honest when noone else is #long #shower If you're looking for "Facebook
anything in the Fediverse", and you either want it to be easy-peasy, or you want to run it via a phone, or both, try . It was created in 2010, five and a half years before Mastodon, explicitly as an alternative to Facebook. Not an all-out Facebook clone, but better than Facebook, and still with everything that's actually useful about Facebook. Including groups.
So you do as follows:
- Register a user account on a Friendica node for the Facebook group. On Friendica, groups are user accounts with specific settings.
- All those of you who are on Mastodon, and who want to stay on Mastodon, join the group from Mastodon. Attention, though, for starting new threads in a Friendica group from Mastodon requires some steps that aren't engrained in Mastodon's culture.
- All those of you who are not on Mastodon join Friendica, and so they have something that's close enough to Facebook. They don't necessarily have to be on the same node as the group, but they may. If they have phones, they install RaccoonForFriendica on them.
(Sorry, fellow Hubzilla and (streams) users, but if it has to be quick and easy, I'm not going to tell folks to join something with a complex permission apparatus that doesn't have native phone apps.)CC:
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Friendica "Frontend" ist auch nicht so ganz der richtige Ausdruck. "Frontend" meint eigentlich nur "Benutzeroberflche". Bei Pleroma, was auch eine Twitter-Alternative im Fediverse ist, kann man z. B. das dazu entwickelte Pleroma-FE als Frontend nehmen oder Phanpy oder Mangane oder so. Aber Pleroma ist selbst kein Frontend, Mastodon, Calckey, Friendica usw. auch nicht. Das sind vollumfngliche Serveranwendungen mit Frontend (der grafischen Benutzeroberflche) und Backend (der Technik dahinter).
Das Fediverse an sich kannst du dir so vorstellen:
10.000 groe und kleine Twitters (Mastodon)
sind verbunden mit
1.000 anderen Twitters (Pleroma),
600 nochmal etwas anderen Twitters (Akkoma),
1.200 ganz anderen Twitters (Misskey),
100 wieder anderen Twitters (Firefish),
450 nochmal anderen Twitters (Sharkey),
150 wieder anderen Twitters (Iceshrimp),
1200 Twitters, die keine eigene Benutzeroberflche haben (GoToSocial),
300 Facebooks (Friendica),
90 Facebooks, die auch GeoCities und Google Cloud Services usw. eingebaut haben (Hubzilla),
ein paar Dutzend wieder anderen Facebooks ((streams)),
500 Instagrams (Pixelfed),
600 Reddits (Lemmy),
20 anderen Reddits (Mbin),
600 Mediums (WriteFreely)
1.300 YouTubes (PeerTube),
250 Twitches (Owncast),
100 Goodreads (BookWyrm)
und so weiter.
Jetzt gerade schreibe ich dir von . Das ist auch im Fediverse, aber es ist nicht Mastodon. Es stammt nicht von Mastodon ab, es hat mit Mastodon nichts zu tun, es hat kein bichen Mastodon-Code in sich, es funktioniert vllig anders als Mastodon, es versucht nicht, Twitter nachzueifern, und es ist sogar noch lter als Mastodon. Aber ich schreibe dir, und du kannst es lesen. Denn seit Mastodon gestartet ist, ist Hubzilla mit Mastodon verbunden.
Das ist Fediverse.
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NichtNurMastodon Von den Facebook-Alternativen, die ich kenne, ist Friendica wohl noch am niederschwelligsten, auch wenn es selbst schon ziemlich komplex ist.
Aber da gibt's mindestens eine stabile native Smartphone-App, du mut dich nicht mit einem Berechtigungssystem herumschlagen, das out-of-the-box nicht sehr praxisnah eingestellt ist, und im Gegensatz zu Hubzilla geht auch ActivityPub out-of-the-box.
Ich meine, ich wrde ja gerne jedem Hubzilla oder (streams) empfehlen, zumal die sicherer sind. Aber "die Leute" wollen etwas, was sie aus dem App Store installieren, sich registrieren und sofort loslegen knnen, ohne gro etwas lernen zu mssen. Und diejenigen, die wir gerade aus Facebook holen wollen, kennen ja nicht mal Mastodon.
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(streams) Da wirst du leider die Ansprche runterschrauben mssen.
Es gibt an sich einiges an Facebook-
Ersatz im Fediverse, auch einiges, was um Meilen nher an Facebook dran ist als Mastodon. Das gibt es schon sehr, sehr viel lnger als Mastodon selbst.
Was es aber nicht gibt, ist ein Facebook-
Klon, so, wie Pixelfed ein Instagram-Klon, Loops ein TikTok-Klon und Lemmy ein Reddit-Klon ist und Mastodon ein Twitter-Klon zu sein versucht. Was es noch viel weniger gibt, ist eine Mobil-App, die haargenau so aussieht wie die Facebook-App, sich so anfhlt wie die Facebook-App und sich so bedient wie die Facebook-App.
Weil es ja unbedingt eine native Smartphone-App sein mu, geht eigentlich nur, sich auf Friendica zu registrieren, und zwar direkt auf einem Node per Webinterface, und sich dann z. B. RaccoonForFriendica aufs Smartphone zu holen und mit dem Friendica-Konto zu verbinden. Nur hat Friendicas Weboberflche nie den Look & Feel von Facebook, und auch RaccoonForFriendica hat nicht den Look & Feel der Facebook-App.
Meines Erachtens ist das aber sogar gut, da sich Friendica nie wie Facebook anfhlen wird und man sich an eine neue Bedienung gewhnen mu. Dann wird man nmlich auch nicht dazu verleitet, davon auszugehen, da Friendica exakt wie Facebook funktioniert, und es genau wie Facebook zu benutzen.
(Sorry, Hubzilla- und (streams)-Kollegen, aber hier wird zwingend und definitiv nach einer nativen Smartphone-App gefragt.)
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Friendica Instagram:
(). Literally designed as a drop-in replacement for Instagram that should even let you import your Instagram stuff. Official and third-party apps available.
Facebook:
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The classic from 2010, designed as a "Facebook alternative, but better than Facebook" rather than an all-out clone. Very powerful. Third-party phone apps available. -
"Decentralised social CMS" forked from Friendica by Friendica's own creator. Older than Mastodon, too. Tremendously powerful, even more secure than Friendica and , but highly complex, and the UI may be confusing. No phone app available worth mentioning (can be installed as a PWA). No Mastodon app support. - ()
The newest stable Friendica/Hubzilla descendant. Officially actually nameless and brandless. Still very powerful, nomadic, more modern and less confusing UI, but may still be overwhelming. Currently only two recommendable open-registration instances, both with admin approval, one in the USA, one in Hungary. No phone app available (can be installed as a PWA). No Mastodon app support.
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DeleteInstagram Brauchst du unbedingt,
zwingend, eine native Smartphone-App Oder geht auch der Browser bzw. Installation des Webinterface als Progressive Web App
Wenn letzteres, vielleicht willst du ja den ganz groen Schritt nach Hubzilla versuchen.
Hubs findest du etwa beim oder in der .
und sind die beiden grten, beide sehr gut administriert und schnell auf neue Versionen aktualisiert, und Threads hat definitiv beide gesperrt, weil sie (wie eigentlich alle ffentlichen Hubzilla-Hubs) die Fderationskriterien nicht erfllen. Auf der Netzgemeinde ist der Hauptentwickler sogar Co-Admin.
Der ist kleiner, aber auch zu empfehlen, den betreibt
Der Pepe (Hubzilla) in Deutschland. Der hat noch ein paar Zusatzapps freigeschaltet, die Netzgemeinde und hubzilla.de nicht haben. Zustzlich hat er in Ungarn, aber die beiden nehmen sich nicht viel.
Zotum klingt verlockend mit seiner hohen Versionsnummer, aber auch bei Hubzilla gilt: Ungerade Zahl nach dem ersten Punkt = experimentelle Entwicklerversion gerade Zahl nach dem ersten Punkt = stabiler Release. Ansonsten wrde ich grundstzlich immer nach der hchsten Versionsnummer gucken, denn die bedeutet auch zeitnahe Aktualisierung. Hubzilla 10.0 hatte schon sechs Hotfixes, und einige Hubs sind da immer noch nicht aktuell.
Falls dich der Funktionsumfang oder die verwirrende Bedienung abschreckt, kannst du auch den etwas kleineren, aber vielleicht gewagteren Schritt zum jngeren, moderneren (streams) tun. Pepe hat krzlich eine neue Instanz gestartet, auch in Ungarn: . Die kennt aber noch keiner, also ist er da noch alleine. Die einzige andere offene Instanz ist von
Waitman Gobble in den USA. In beiden Fllen wird man genau wie in Whoville auf Freischaltung warten mssen.
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and
It isn't even really parts of Zot. It's all being (or already has been) cast into ActivityPub FEPs, so no need to look at Zot (which is named Nomad now, by the way).
Mostly, it's nomadic identity which
Mike Macgirvin and Mitra's developer (the actual driving force behind this) have been implementing using only ActivityPub for quite a while now. A key element is .
And they're fairly successful. The development version of was the first Fediverse server app based on ActivityPub from the get-go that got support for nomadic identity implemented (which, to my understanding, means Mitra's dev branch itself is not nomadic yet). Mike's has support for nomadic identity via ActivityPub in its stable release already. And Mike's , which is highly experimental and not officially released to the public yet, is the very first Fediverse project to actually feature nomadic identity using only ActivityPub. Mike has removed all traces of Nomad from it.
Still, there's a long way to go. ActivityPub-based nomadic identity itself is still experimental. And permissions in the style of Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte have yet to be defined in FEPs, but they'll be necessary to roll ActivityPub-based nomadic identity out.
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FEPef61 There is quite some talk about Hubzilla. Not so much on Mastodon, especially not widespread, but on Hubzilla itself, especially some of the Hubzilla forums on Hubzilla.
There's quite a bit of criticism within Hubzilla where we actually know it inside out. As powerful as it is, it isn't exactly easy to use. Not so much because it's so complex (that, too you can have used it since the 2010s and still learn something new), but because its default (and now only official) UI is too convoluted and too confusing. It's basically stuck in 2012 when Hubzilla was still Red, and even for 2012 standards, it isn't pretty. New features seem to have been slapped onto the UI randomly. There are even UI pages with no links to them.
Scott M. Stolz is working on all-new themes (which, by other Fediverse software standards, means entirely new UIs, but you can switch between them as a user). But I'm not sure if they will be officially shipped with new installs in the future.
Tying in with this is that there is practically no mobile app for Hubzilla. All there is is a glorified Web app on F-Droid that hasn't been maintained in over five years. But there are no mobile apps with fully native mobile UIs in the Apple App Store and the Google Play Store, especially not official apps. This alone makes Hubzilla not only unattractive, but practically non-existent for phone users, even though Hubzilla can be installed as a PWA.
Then again, in order for a native app to be useful and fully replace the Web UI for most users, it would have to be so massive and complex that FairEmail would pale in comparison. Also, while Hubzilla has a client API, no-one has ever tried to use it, so for all we know, it may not even work.
Another issue which the community is working on fixing is the built-in documentation which is hopelessly outdated to the point of being outright wrong (I've seen parts that were last touched in 2012 because they still speak of Red), and which in some parts has always been incomplete.
Der Pepe (Hubzilla) . He also has the which is currently mostly in German.
By the way: Since that article was published on Medium in 2017, Mike has done a whole lot more. A semi-chaotic tree of at least seven forks, all significantly slimmed down in comparison to Hubzilla, but increasingly modernised, before he presented in October, 2021. It contains his latest stable creation which is intentionally not a project, without a name, without a brand, almost without any nodeinfo code and released into the public domain (except for some third-party add-ons). The community colloquially refers to it as (streams) with parentheses because it isn't really a name.
(streams) may not be the super-powerful "decentralised social CMS" that Hubzilla is. But it's still powerful. It has advanced a lot, as has its underlying protocol which is named Nomad now. It only supports its own and Hubzilla's versions of Nomad plus ActivityPub, but modern-day Nomad is geared towards ActivityPub compatibility so well that ActivityPub no longer has to be an optional, off-by-default add-on instead, it has been merged into the core.
A few other things have been improved, too. The permission system has lost permission levels which no-one ever really needed or at least no-one needs anymore in today's Fediverse. In general, it has been made more secure by discarding the Public channel role and at the same time so easy and convenient to use that you don't even need a Public channel role anymore.
Sometimes Hubzilla is being called outdated because it uses BBcode for text formatting in posts, comments, DMs and also the optional articles and cards (wikis can alternatively use Markdown webpages can alternatively use Markdown or HTML). (streams) doesn't have articles, cards, wikis and webpages anymore, but in posts, comments and DMs, you can use BBcode, Markdown and HTML next to each other. BBcode won't disappear anytime soon, I guess, because some specific features are only available via BBcode.
Officially, Mike has retired from Fediverse development at the end of last August, some two weeks after announcing his newest project, Forte (basically (streams) with only ActivityPub and therefore the first Fediverse software that relies on ActivityPub for nomadic identity). But this only means he has slowed down his development after a fast-paced summer.
Both (streams) and Forte are still being developed. Forte is still so experimental that only Mike is using it for his secret private channel, but (streams) has stabilised again after a troublesome summer. And even if it relies on the browser or being installed as a PWA for mobile, too, and even if it direly lacks public instances (I only know two with open registration), it could make for another safe and modern Facebook alternative.
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ForteOh, and by the way, there's another Meta Platforms product that no-one's talking about: Horizon. It's what "The Metaverse" referred to in late 2021, early 2022. Remember
There still seem to be a few thousand holding holding out there.
Interestingly, there's a free, open-source, decentralised "alternative" even for that: . Won't work on your Meta Quest, but you won't need one in the first place. You have
much more land to explore, , and there's hardly any virtual world with cheaper land in combination with similar creative in-world possibilities.
It isn't part of the Fediverse, but it predates even Identi.ca, and its community has been regularly using the term "metaverse" since before Identi.ca.
Granted, the learning curve is enormous, it is very complex, and the new PBR-powered graphics come at the cost of basically requiring a machine with dedicated instead of on-board graphics hardware.
In a twist of fate, I happen to know someone who's in both, who could invite Horizon users over, hehe...
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VirtualWorldsInteresting things are going on in the Fediverse right now. And unexpected things.
See, I've always thought that when the shit hits the fan on Facebook, the Mastodon crowd would barge in and drag everyone to Mastodon, no questions asked, no explanation. And we would end up with another few million people for whom the Fediverse is only Mastodon.
I was also afraid of this happening because I know nobody who's on both Facebook and Friendica. In general, Friendica users have quit Facebook long ago, often after Facebook disrupted Friendica's Facebook connector.
Now the shit
does hit the fan. But apparently, even on Mastodon, many people are becoming aware that Mastodon is not a good drop-in replacement for Facebook. And that Friendica is much closer. I mean, one of the most important features on Facebook are groups, Mastodon doesn't even know what groups are, but on Friendica, they're an integral part.
It's almost a miracle:
Mastodon users are trying to guide Facebook users to
Friendica. This also means it's likely that the new Friendicans will know that the Fediverse extends beyond Friendica. I mean, they'll find out anyway because Friendica indicates which server application a post or a comment comes from.
We might be getting to the point where the biggest buzz in the Fediverse quits being self-hosted GoToSocial (and that
was the big buzz around New Year) and switches to the oldest surviving project in the Fediverse, not to mention something that's so very much not Twitter-style microblogging for a change.
The reason why Mastodon is so abuzz with Friendica talk is because those who try to guide Facebook users to Friendica often don't know much about Friendica themselves, and now they're shouting into the void for help, hoping that someone catches the hashtag.
I myself am not much of a Friendica expert. It's been a while since I've laid my hands on it. But: I'm connected to a lot of rank-and-file Friendica users. I think I can cover Friendica's entire core bubble in two steps or three at most.
I've succeeded in helping someone interested in Friendica by importing their post onto my stream and repeating it to my own contacts (thanks to Hubzilla introducing repeats). It definitely worked for I guess she would barely have been able to write (read this if you want to get folks off Facebook) if I hadn't stumbled upon her request for help, picked it up and forwarded it. In fact, I can be sure to always reach
someone competent in Friendica this way. (Same goes for Hubzilla and (streams), but that's another story, and I could step in and assist myself, too.)
That said, I'm not too keen on manually searching for Friendica help requests and relay them one by one. I could subscribe to mastodon.social's #
Friendica hashtag search feed instead. I could even try to make it a channel source and automatically relay what comes in this way to my connections. But that'd flood all that stuff onto the timelines of my hundreds of Mastodon connections as well. If it worked in the first place, because we've got a growing suspicion that this is broken currently.
So here's the shortcut: Maybe some of you Friendica users can subscribe to the #
Friendica hashtag search feed on Mastodon yourself and see what's going on there. Here is the URL:
I'd ask if Friendica has per-connection filters, but the hashtag is so busy with support requests in the wake of Facebook's extra enshittification that there's hardly any cruft in-between that needs to be filtered now.
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