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Truth be told, what we could need is a feature comparison between the various mobile apps and Friendica's Web frontend to see what covers what.
I'm not quite sure if any Friendica app actually covers exactly 100% of Friendica's functionality. What they should cover is what's needed for daily driving. But I'm not sure if all of them cover, for example, all features of the built-in file manager and every last one of .
An actually, absoutely fully-featured Friendica app would be voluminous. Not as huge as a (streams) app and not as massive as a Hubzilla app, but big.
In the cases of some features, I'm not even sure how much sense they make in a mobile app. Would a mobile app need all configuration controls for the Web interface And does it make sense for an iPhone app to brandish the full set of Friendica admin controls if it detects the logged-in account to be an admin account
Besides, in spite of its old age, Friendica is constantly changing and sometimes introducing new features. Third-party apps will have to keep up with core and add-on development.
And once the now-growing Friendica community has settled in and attracted a few devs, and they discover that Friendica is so modular that it can attach third-party add-ons server-side, and they start developing third-party add-ons, mobile apps won't cover 100% of Friendica anymore anyway.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #FriendicaApp #FriendicaAppsA festival against the growing right wing has commenced in Dorenas World. It will continue over the weekend.
Line-up (all times PST/grid time)
Saturday, February 15th
09:30-10:00 - Lead-in with Klarabella Karamell
10:00-12:00 - Wolem Wobbit live (on-going)
12:00-13:00 - live
13:00-open end - DJ Xenos Yifu
Sunday, February 16th
07:30-09:00 - DJ Bogus Curry (ask me for his Fediverse ID)
09:00-11:00 - JohnWinston Vandyke live
11:00-12:00 - Reading with Kueperpunk Korhonen
12:00-13:00 - Rubeus Helgerud reads Wolfgang Borchert
13:00-open end - DJ battle between Klarabella Karamell and
Event location is the festival ground at .
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #VirtualEvent #DorenasWorld #Politics #DEPol #AntiRightWing #AntiFascism Besides, Friendica has had quote-posts for almost 15 years as its primary method of sharing posts. It has continuously been federated with Mastodon for as long as Mastodon has been around. And stilll, there isn't a single known case of a Friendica user harassing a Mastodon user, or anyone else, by means of quote-post.
Just one example, the oldest one.
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It's underwhelming. It's underequipped. It lacks features that are standard just about everywhere else. It's actually hopelessly outdated. In fact, it's even insecure, also due to how it lacks security features that competitors have readily available. And it ignores officially defined standards and tries hard to force the whole FediverseWeb to adopt its own non-standard solutions instead.
At the same time, however, for many many users, it is the FediverseInternet, full stop.
For the vast majority of FediverseInternet users, it was the first Fediverse projectWeb browser they came across because that's what they were mouth-fed when they started with the FediverseInternet. For quite a long time, it was the only Fediverse projectWeb browser they even knew existed, and for many, it still is. Alternatives are only known to and used by the tech-savvy, and they're also the only ones who are aware of how dangerously lacking it is.
Thus, it has vastly more users than all its alternatives combined. Its market share is such that its developers don't even have to care for standards compatibility or what advantages the competition has. They can force their way upon everyone and everything.
Even many websites are built hard against only Mastodonthe Internet Explorer and malfunction or completely refuse to work with any of its alternatives, not seldomly because their developers don't even know that alternatives exist. And few developers dare to build websitesFediverse projects only according to HTMLActivityPub standards, even if that means breaking compatibility with Mastodonthe IE6.
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(Selbst-Quote-Posten FTW! Man ist ja schreibfaul.)
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #QuotePost #QuoteTweet #QuoteToot #QuoteBoost #Fediverse #Mastodon #NichtNurMastodon #InternetExplorer #InternetExplorer6 #IE6 Und genau das wurde auf Twitter eingesetzt als Waffe gegen Angehrige von Minderheiten (BIPoC, 2SLGBTQQIA+ etc.). Im Grunde kennt man das als Twitter-User nur dafr.
Noch ein Grund, warum so viele von da nach Mastodon geflohen sind: weil Mastodon keine Quote-Posts/Drkos/Drukos hat.
Was aber kaum jemand auf Mastodon wei: Das Fediverse hat sehr wohl Quote-Posts. Praktisch alles, was Mikro- oder Makroblogging macht und nicht "Mastodon" heit, kann quote-posten. Und kann auch Mastodon-Trts quote-posten.
Aussage, die ich gerade bekommen habe: Hubzilla und (streams) htten nie die Mglichkeit haben drfen, Mastodon-Trts zu quote-posten, weil Mastodon sich gegen Quote-Posts entschieden hat.
Nur: Zum einen war 2016 das Nichtimplementieren von Quote-Posts keine Entscheidung zum Schutz von Twitter-Flchtlingen, sondern zum Vereinfachen von Mastodon. Zum anderen mten wahrscheinlich mehr als 60 Fediverse-Serveranwendungen fr Mastodon eine Ausnahme einbauen.
Was fr Twitter-Flchtlinge auf Mastodon auch vllig unvorstellbar ist: Quote-Posts sind in fast 15 Jahren Friendica nie mibruchlich genutzt worden. Und berall sonst, was Quote-Posts kann, auch nicht.
brigens ist auch das wieder so ein Fall, wo Mastodon-Nutzer versuchen, dem gesamten Fediverse die Mastodon-Kultur aufzuzwingen und Features, die Mastodon nicht hat, wegzunehmen.
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I mean, I could propose to Mike, Mario and Harald to automatically remove the Share button under any and all posts and comments from Mastodon, just to see their reactions.
But as a matter of fact, Pleroma and Akkoma can quote-post Mastodon toots just the same. The same goes for Misskey and its over 50 forks, including but not limited to JavaScript-based Iceshrimp which won't get any new features, Iceshrimp.NET which isn't officially released yet, Sharkey, CherryPick and Catodon. And Friendica can quote-post Mastodon toots, too.
Several dozen Fediverse server projects can quote-post Mastodon toots. They all would have to change. Or they all would have had to change the moment that it was decided that Mastodon lacks quote-posts to protect its users rather than to stay simple.
That has been Mastodon's track record since its very inception. I won't believe that anything has changed about this until Mastodon actually implements technology introduced by another Fediverse server project.
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I can give permission to quote-post my posts to
Over on (streams), I can still give that permission to
It's much more a matter of technology.
Mastodon is about to completely re-invent the wheel with a non-standard, Mastodon-only setting. This setting will only work within Mastodon simply because it probably won't even be documented anywhere, especially not before it's officially rolled out.
There simply is no way that every last instance of Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, CherryPick, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko, dozens of other Misskey forks, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. etc. will have that setting implemented before Mastodon rolls it out so that even the users on mastodon.social are perfectly safe from the first second on.
Besides, Mike Macgirvin , creator of Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte and still the only maintainer of the latter two, will never introduce proprietary Mastodon features to them. He'd rather risk (streams) and Forte becoming incompatible with Mastodon. The same goes for Mario Vavti and Harald Eilertsen, Hubzilla's main maintainers.
If Mastodon wants to become a perfectly safe haven against unallowed quote-posting, it has only got one choice: It must introduce something like (streams)' and Forte's user agent filter and use it to block just everything that isn't Mastodon. Like, include a hard-coded allowlist that only includes Mastodon plus what little can't quote or quote-post anyway.
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And that, too, will only work within Mastodon.
Also, that, too, won't be a "Mastodon first" feature. At least Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte have reply and interaction controls included in their permissions systems which, in a way, work Fediverse-wide.
Within themselves and each other, they actually make impossible what isn't allowed. For example, if you aren't allowed to repeat (= boost) or share (= quote-post) a post or a comment, you don't even have the button. These permissions aren't understood anywhere outside these three yet, but I've got higher hopes that this permissions system will be cast into FEPs than that Mastodon's hacks will be.
In fact, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte have reply control on three levels:
Again, within these three, if commenting is not allowed, the UI elements for commenting will be missing. Outsiders may be able to comment, but all three block disallowed comments on a server level, i.e. they aren't deleted from the inbox, they are kept from entering the inbox in the first place. And so they don't appear in the thread for all those who support threaded conversations.
It'd really be nice if this permissions system became one or a set of FEPs for others to pick up.
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Mastodon may not have quote-posts yet. But the Fediverse has quote-posts right now. And it has had them since before Mastodon was made.
Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, CherryPick, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko, dozens of other Misskey forks, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. etc., they all have quote-posts. They're all fully capable of quote-posting any Mastodon toot.
None of them has introduced quote-posts to harass Twitter refugees on Mastodon. At least Friendica and Hubzilla have had quote-posts since long before Mastodon was even made.
At least by Mastodon users.
But since this will be Mastodon re-inventing the wheel with brand-new, proprietary, Mastodon-only technology, everything I've listed above will still be able to quote-post anyone and anything on Mastodon with zero resistance.
To quote-post myself and the guy who invented Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte:
I think I've just chased someone out of the Fediverse.
That someone was afraid of Mastodon being "screwed over" by becoming quote-post-able.
I've told him the truth: Mastodon has been quote-post-able for as long as it has been around. Mastodon became quote-post-able the very moment it was launched.
That's because when Mastodon was launched, it immediately federated with Friendica which is from 2010, which had been around for almost six years at that point, and which has had quote-posts from its own inception AFAIK. Mastodon also immediately federated with Hubzilla which has had quote-posts since its own inception, since it had been forked from Friendica, and that was in 2012.
Mastodon has never been un-quote-post-able.
Right now, there are dozens of Fediverse server apps whose users can quote-post Mastodon toots with no resistance.
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The closest you'll ever get to making Mastodon un-quote-postable is to post privately. Not unlisted. Private. Most fediverse software will honour this today and it doesn't require yet another "pretend permission". Like unlisted.
And Mike should know. He brought things to the Fediverse like actually working permissions. Including permissions on two levels to quote-post any content on a channel. Readily available right now at least on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte.
Also, this is what people on Friendica and its descendants have been using quote-posts for since 2010.
You already are when someone on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte quote-posts one of your posts.
As for Pleroma, Misskey and their forks, you aren't notified right now, and I've got my doubts that you will be after this change.
Also, "quote" and "quote-post" are two different things. Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte can do both. "Quote" is what I'm doing right here. Whether or not you're notified depends on whether or not you're mentioned.
And blocking quotes is even less possible. A quote only consists of a pair of BBcode tags plus the quoted text in-between. And on Friendica and all its descendants, you don't work with a WYSIWYG editor by default, but you have to get your hands dirty on raw markup code.
Again, probably not if someone on Pleroma, Misskey or one of their forks quote-posts you.
And definitely not if someone on Friendica or one of its descendants quote-posts you.
The difference is that a quote-post on Pleroma, Misskey or one of their forks is actually a reference to the original. On Friendica and its descendants, a quote-post is an automatically generated dumb copy of the original.
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First of all, why are they so different Why are they so much different that it may cause friction with Mastodon Why didn't they make Friendica more like Mastodon
Because "they" (actually originally one man in Australia, now two guys in Germany) made it before Mastodon. Friendica first came out in July, 2010. Mastodon first came out in January, 2016. Five and a half years later. And immediately when Mastodon was first released, it was federated with Friendica. And it has continuously been ever since then.
Also, Friendica has never aimed to be a full-on, all-out Facebook clone. Its goal has always been to be "like Facebook, but better than Facebook". So it is different from Facebook. It doesn't look like Facebook, it doesn't feel like Facebook. It just does what Facebook does with extra stuff on top.
As Friendica is so much older than Mastodon and developed entirely independently from Mastodon, don't expect it to be anything like Mastodon either. Half of what you know about Mastodon you can toss out of the window when you join Friendica and re-learn it.
Now, the first difference between Mastodon and Friendica is: Mastodon being like Twitter means that it's social media. It's about following accounts and consuming their content, it's about others following your account and consuming your content.
Friendica is like Facebook. It's true social networking. It's about people connecting with people. Even though Friendica has adopted the "follower" and "followed" wording from Mastodon, its default is still the bidirectional connection. Maybe you still remember that you didn't follow people on Facebook, and they didn't follow you back, thus creating two unidirectional connections. You didn't have followers, you didn't follow, you had "friends" which always went into both directions.
"Social networking" also means that on Friendica, much unlike on Mastodon, you don't follow people because of their content first and foremost. Friendica is more geared towards connecting with people because of their profiles. A Mastodon profile has not even half a dozen text fields. A Friendica profile has well over a dozen. Including a dedicated text field for keywords.
This contributes to the directory being much, much more useful on Friendica than on Mastodon. You can search the Friendica directory for names. You can search it for keywords. It comes with a keyword cloud. And it has a "suggestion" mode in which Friendica matches other profiles with yours.
So you're into dogs. You add "dogs" to your keyword field. Someone else has "dogs" in their keyword field. And what do you know, they slide up your list of suggestions! Also, I guess (I've been out of Friendica for many years, using two of its surviving descendants instead this comment comes from ) that connections of your connections move to the top of the suggestions, too. Just like on Facebook. Key feature on everything that's truly social networking.
There's even a .
Discussions on Friendica are better than on Mastodon. That's because Friendica, just like Facebook, like Tumblr, like a blog, like a forum, like almost everything that isn't Twitter or Mastodon, has threaded conversations. It's fully aware of entire threads. A conversation is not loosely tied together from posts and more posts like on Mastodon. Instead, it's an enclosed object with exactly one post. The start post. And otherwise any number of comments. Which are totally not posts.
Now, what does that mean in practice Let's play through a conversation that entirely happens on Friendica.
Imagine you're connected with Alice. Alice posts something. You receive Alice's post on your stream (= timeline).
Bob comments. You are not connected with Bob. Bob doesn't mention you. In fact, Bob doesn't mention anyone. But still, Alice knows about Bob's comment because it's listed as an unread activity. And you know about Bob's comment, too, because it's listed as an unread activity for you as well.
By the way: Unread activities. Another thing that doesn't exist on Mastodon. On Mastodon, you read your unread stuff by scrolling and scrolling and scrolling through your timeline and scrolling some more until either you hit the stuff that you've already read, or until you've got no more time and/ore spoons to read any more. If the latter, there'll inevitably be a whole lot of toots that you'll never know about. On Friendica, you have a counter and a list of posts and comments that you have not read yet. And you can go through it by and by, until there's nothing anymore that's unread. Luckily, Friendica doesn't show you posts and comments one by one, but it always shows you entire threads.
Okay, back to the conversation: Carol comments on Bob's comment on Alice's post. Carol only mentions Bob to make sure that she's replying to Bob rather than directly to Alice. Again, the mention is not needed for Bob to see her comment. She doesn't mention Alice either, she doesn't mention you, and you aren't connected with Carol.
But yet again, Carol's comment is listed as an unread activity.
Now you want to check Alice's post, Bob's comment and Carol's comment. Again, you don't have to check them one by one. If you click either, Friendica will show you the whole conversation at once. Like a post on Facebook with comments below. Like a blog post with comments below. And it will mark Alice's post, Bob's comment and Carol's comment as flagged.
This is how conversations should be. Always. You have a post on your stream, you get all the comments on it. At least all that come in after you've received the post.
But Friendica goes even further: It has groups. Discussion groups. Like forums. It has always had them. I mean, Facebook has always had groups, too, right Basically, after you've joined a group, you receive all posts from that group plus all comments under these posts. And if you post to a group, everyone in the group receives your post. All without fumbling around with hashtags and hoping people on other instances happen upon your post by searching for that hashtag.
Now you may say that Mastodon has Guppe groups. Yeah, but they're a glued-on hack made by someone who probably thought the Fediverse is only Mastodon. They can't be searched for whereas . Speaking of public groups, they can be private. As in, outsiders can't see the profile, outsiders can't see the posts in the group, and they aren't listed in any directory. Also, Friendica groups can be moderated. Guppe groups can't.
What else Posts. You can do more in a post on Friendica than you can see on Mastodon.
Vanilla Mastodon is limited to 500 characters. It can be raised, but not by configuration. Raising the limit requires hacking into the source code and usually having to do so after each Mastodon upgrade.
Friendica, as far as I know, is "limited" to 200,000 characters. At the same time, as far as I know, Mastodon rejects posts from outside if they're longer than 100,000 characters. Friendica lets you write posts that are so long that Mastodon refuses to even import them.
Friendica supports all kinds of text formatting. Mastodon can display bold type, italics, maybe underline, also bullet-point lists, quotes (it still can't display quote-posts which Friendica has had from the get-go as well), well, and that's about it. Friendica can create all this and more. Much more. If you can do it in a blog post, you can do it on Friendica. Maybe even more than that.
A very good example is how Friendica handles images. Mastodon can only handle images as file attachments and only four of these. If you only know Mastodon, you perceive this as the one and only Fediverse standard, and you can barely imagine that it could possibly be any different. That's because Mastodon can only handle images with these limitations in content from outside as well.
Friendica, on the other hand, is not limited in how many pictures you can have in a post. And it can actually have pictures in a post. Embedded within the post. With text above the picture and more text below the picture and another picture below that text and so forth. Just like a blog.
Since Mastodon refuses to render embedded in-line images, Friendica actually has to additionally convert all imported images into file attachments which Mastodon understands. But even then, Mastodon will throw all of them away except four if you have more than four.
How does Friendica do that Well, part of the secret is because Friendica has its own cloud file space built into each account. If you upload an image to Mastodon, it ends up somewhere where you can't access it. If you upload an image to Friendica, it ends up in your cloud file space. With its own little file manager. Which even supports folders and subfolders.
In fact, Friendica even has image gallery functionality!
That said, as Friendica is so much different from Mastodon, and particularly, since it's so much older than Mastodon, it has its own culture which is rooted in a) its vast set of features and b) the early 2010s. Friendica has never adopted Mastodon culture, and it never will. That's because Mastodon culture clashes so much with Friendica's native culture and with Friendica's features.
For example, Friendica users happily churn out posts and comments which at least some Mastodon users perceive as so long that they're disturbing. Namely over 500 characters long. Ask a Friendica user to chop their long posts into threads with never over 500 characters, and you will not receive.
Friendica users do stuff in their posts that Mastodon won't render. This includes embedding images and more than four. If Mastodon won't render them, then from a Friendica point of view, it doesn't mean that Friendica is using some non-standard freak feature that should be avoided. It rather means that Mastodon is broken. And if the Mastodon devs refuse to fix it, then Mastodon is broken by design.
This may come as a surprise to you, but: Mastodon's CW field was not invented from scratch as a CW field. Originally, it's a summary field. It's a summary field on Laconi.ca/StatusNet/GNU social. It's a summary field on Friendica (where it's called "abstract"). It's a summary field on everything that came after Friendica. But in 2017, someone proposed to make it a CW field on Mastodon. Ever since then, everyone on Mastodon "knows" that this field is purpose-made for CWs and for CWs only.
Again, on Friendica, it's for summaries. Friendica users either use it for a summary (and even then, this involves a pair of BBcode tags), or they don't use it at all.
At the same time, Friendica historically, and to this day, handles CWs differently: It generates them on the reader's side. Automatically and only if you want to. For this, it has an optional, very basic filter-like feature named "NSFW" that comes with not much more than a keyword list. If a keyword from that list is in a post or a comment or a PM, the whole thing will be automatically hidden behind a button. Much like a Mastodon CW, but unlike a Mastodon CW, it's only rendered for you (and everyone else who has that keyword on the list) and not forced upon everyone all the same.
(By the way: Mastodon has introduced the self-same functionality to its filters with the release of Mastodon 4.0 in October, 2022. But even though this was right before the biggest Twitter-to-Mastodon migration wave ever, nobody knows about this.)
This leads to culture clash:
Also, Mastodon users mute or block Friendica users because they post over 500 characters at once. In turn, I know at least one Friendica user who blocks everyone upon first strike who chops a longer post into a thread with never more than 500 characters in one message. Friendica users are perfectly used to posts with 10,000 characters, but they find the same posts cut into threads with over two dozen tiny posts cumbersome and tiring.
Before mid-January, 2025, accessibility didn't play any role on Friendica. The old Friendica guard saw alt-text as another dumb fad from Mastodon's stupid and ignorant culture that perceives the Fediverse as only Mastodon. Not to mention that adding alt-text to images on Friendica is still kind of cumbersome because next to nobody has ever actually considered using that feature until very recently.
Interestingly, Zuckerberg's further enshittification of Facebook which triggered a slow but steady migration wave from Facebook to Friendica also coincided with the very first time ever that a Friendica veteran (the same guy who blocks thread posters) was asked to add alt-text to an image. Which must have been a rather disturbing experience for him.
Another cultural difference concerns connections with other software and platforms. Still today, over half of all Mastodon users think the Fediverse is only Mastodon. And truth be told, many many Mastodon users would love the Fediverse to actually be only Mastodon. Anything that connects with Mastodon and sends content to Mastodon is seen as rogue, culture-less intruders.
On Friendica, in a stark contrast, connection with anything and everything has been an integral part of the concept, of the philosophy and thus of the culture from the very beginning on.
Friendica doesn't only communicate through ActivityPub which it didn't even support until 2019 (it also has its own protocol, DFRN). Even then, it has a much more complete and standard-compliant ActivityPub implementation than Mastodon.
It can also connect do diaspora*, another much less feature-rich "Facebook killer" from later in 2010 which refuses to support any protocol other than its own, and which actually doesn't aim to federate with anything else (all the cross-project federation work was entirely done on Friendica's side). If you've been intensively using Friendica for at least a year or two, it's absolutely normal to have contacts on diaspora*.
It's also one of the very last Fediverse projects that still support OStatus, the old protocol used by GNU social, formerly StatusNet.
It can integrate Bluesky accounts so you can connect to Bluesky without the Bridgy Fed bridge and without Bridgy Fed's limitations. It can integrate Tumblr accounts. It could theoretically still integrate accounts if the node admin had the millions for an API license. In the early 2010s, it was even able to integrate Facebook accounts. It can natively crosspost to WordPress and Libertree.
It can subscribe to RSS and Atom feeds while generating Atom feeds itself. It can communicate via e-mail. And its chat has at least basic XMPP compatibility.
Friendica's credo is something like, "If it exists, we federate." Mastodon's credo rather seems to be something like, "There's Mastodon, there's evil, there's broken, and there's both broken and evil. If it isn't Mastodon, it'd better not disturb us."
In fact, most Mastodon users barely notice the Fediverse outside Mastodon, also because they barely identify content from outside of Mastodon as such. Another reason why they try to force Mastodon's culture upon non-Mastodon users: They don't even notice that these aren't Mastodon users at all.
Friendica users are fully aware of how colourful the Fediverse is, also because Friendica's Web UI actually tells you where a post or a comment came from. They still find the behaviour of many Mastodon users disturbing and tiring. But they're more aware that Mastodon has its own culture, and they don't try to force Friendica's culture upon users of something that isn't even technologically fit to adopt Friendica's culture.
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Friendica's own frontend can be modified extensively with themes built into a node. But there are no full-blown third-party frontends that completely replace Friendica's built-in frontend like Phanpy fully replaces Mastodon's frontend or Mangane fully replaces Pleroma-FE and Akkoma-FE.
Currently, the only platform that gives you a selection of alternative, third-party frontends that fully replace Friendica's frontend is Android because there are quite a few dedicated, native Friendica apps available for Android.
On Windows or Linux, all you can do is install . But it's an early and not entirely open beta, it's very incomplete and unfinished, and to my understanding, it still lacks important features.
On a Mac or an iPhone, you're completely out of luck. Again, there's only Relatica which is just as unfinished and incomplete as on Android, Windows and Linux. But Relatica for macOS and for iOS is which requires an account on in order to get into contact with the Relatica developers.
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Selbst das fhlt sich doch fr nicht wenige Mastodon-Nutzer schon wieder wie bergriffiges Reply-Guying an, wenn sie nicht explizit genau danach gefragt werden. Und die allermeisten fragen gar nicht erst. Schon kriegt man auf den Deckel.
Ich sollte die Hashtags #Fedisplaining und #CWFedisplaining wieder hufiger benutzen, wann immer ich ungefragt etwas erklre, damit die Leute noch mehr zum Filtern haben. Ich mu berhaupt wieder mehr darauf achten, auch wirklich alle wichtigen Hashtags zum Filterauslsen einzubauen. Auch wenn ich dann auf den Deckel kriege, weil ich mehr als vier Hashtags verwende.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ReplyGuy #ReplyGuys So unterschiedlich sind die Wahrnehmungen zwischen reinen Mastodon-Nutzern und Nicht-Mastodon-Nutzern. Das erfahre ich immer wieder.
Auf der einen Seite ist da die breite Masse der Nur-Mastodon-Nutzer und Nur-Mastodon-Kenner. Ich wage zu behaupten, auch wenn besonders aktuell geradezu explosiv wchst, weil viele von Instagram abhauen, bleibt das auf Mastodon, vor allem dem deutschsprachigen Mastodon, weitestgehend unbemerkt. Auch das allmhliche Wachstum von durch Leute, die von Facebook umsteigen, merkt man auf Mastodon kaum.
Resultat: Wahrscheinlich immer noch weit mehr als die Hlfte aller Mastodon-Nutzer ist immer noch der Ansicht, da das Fediverse nur aus Mastodon besteht.
Dazu zhlen Leute, die schon seit drei, vier oder noch mehr Jahren dabei sind und haufenweise Kontakte haben. Aber entweder schaffen sie es, obwohl sie aberhunderten oder gar abertausenden Leuten folgen, ausschlielich Leuten auf Mastodon zu folgen, die auch wieder nur Leuten auf Mastodon folgen. Keiner von denen hat a) Ahnung vom Fediverse und b) Interesse am Fediverse. Und so bekommen sie vom Fediverse auerhalb von Mastodon nichts mit. Oder sie bekommen stndig Posts und Kommentare von auerhalb von Mastodon rein, erkennen diese aber nicht als von auerhalb von Mastodon. Und auch darin redet niemand vom Fediverse auerhalb von Mastodon.
Aktuell die Fluchtbewegung von Instagram nach Pixelfed, von TikTok nach Loops, von Facebook nach, na ja, wohin auch immer die Facebook-Flchtlinge gelotst werden, all das erzeugt eigentlich einen Riesenrummel im Fediverse. Aber ihre Kontakte scheinen davon nichts mitzubekommen, deren Kontakte auch nicht, und so merken sie selbst auch nichts davon. Auch von Flipboard oder von der ActivityPub-Integration in WordPress haben sie nie etwas mitbekommen. Das meine ich mit "hinterm Mond".
Bisher dachten aber Leute wie (auf Friendica), (auf ) oder ich (auch auf Hubzilla), da es schlecht und behebenswert wre, wenn Leute glauben, das Fediverse ist nur Mastodon. Und nicht der unverrckbare Normalzustand, den es bitteschn zu respektieren gilt.
Ich kenne im Fediverse einige, die eben gerade nicht wie 99,999% aller Fediverse-Nutzer irgendwann in den 2020ern von Twitter nach bzw. ber Mastodon gekommen sind. Statt dessen sind sie schon sehr viel lnger im Fediverse und noch dazu auf Anwendungen unterwegs, die nicht nur nicht Mastodon sind (aber trotzdem voll mit Mastodon verbunden), sondern sehr extrem nicht Mastodon. Die fundamental anders sind als Mastodon.
Das heit auch: Wir erleben das Fediverse anders als die breite Masse, die nur Mastodon kennt. Wir erleben, wie aus Unwissenheit ber das Fediverse jenseits von Mastodon der Unwille wird, etwas ber das Fediverse jenseits von Mastodon zu lernen. Und daraus Ignoranz und Borniertheit. Und daraus eine totale Mastodon-Zentrizitt und Mastodon-Normativitt. Und daraus die stndige Diskriminierung des Nicht-Mastodon-Fediverse. Ja, Diskriminierung. Nur weil Mastodon-Nutzer sie nicht wahrnehmen, heit es nicht, da sie nicht existiert.
Beispielsweise versuchen nicht wenige von diesen Leuten, die Mastodon-Kultur, die Mitte 2022 auf der Grundlage von Mastodon 3.x (und auch nur darauf) entstanden ist, mit aller Gewalt im ganzen Fediverse durchzusetzen.
Da wird dann ein (Calckey, standardmig 3000 Zeichen) von einem Mastodon-Nutzer angeschnauzt, er habe geflligst lange Posts in Threads aus Schnipseln von nicht mehr als 500 Zeichen zu zerhacken oder sich geflligst aus dem Fediverse zu verpissen. Weil das ganze Fediverse bitteschn nur Standard-Mastodon zu sein hat.
(Wahrscheinlich wrden sich umgekehrt tausende von Mastodon-Nutzern aufregen, wenn sie wten, da (Friendica, 200.000 Zeichen) jeden sofort blockt, von dem er auch nur einen einzigen Schnipsel-Thread empfngt.)
Da kloppt sich derselbe mit einem Tech-Journalisten, der felsenfest darauf beharrt, da es ein in sich geschlossenes Mastodon-Netzwerk gibt und Crossgolf (und einige andere Nutzer von z. B. Akkoma, Friendica, Hubzilla usw.) als ahnungslose Idioten beschimpft, weil die etwas anderes behaupten.
Da wird ein Jakob (Friendica) von einer Mastodon-Nutzerin nach kurzem Disput stante pede geblockt. Weil er Friendica nutzt. Weil sie glaubt, er sei ein bser Hacker, der sich mit seinem bsen Hacker-Tool namens "Friendica" illegalerweise ins Mastodon-Fediverse reingehackt hat, um da Mastodon-Nutzer anzugreifen oder so.
Da wird etwas entwickelt namens . FEDIDevs. Aber es wird vollumfnglich hart nur gegen Mastodon gebaut ohne Rcksicht auf irgendetwas anderes. Ohne da auch nur in Erwgung gezogen wird, da es im Fediverse auch noch was anderes als Mastodon geben knnte. "FEDI" impliziert doch, da es fr das ganze Fediverse ist. Ist es aber nicht. Erst vor kurzem ist auch fr die ersten paar anderen Fediverse-Serveranwendungen die Mglichkeit eingebaut worden, sich mit Konten dort zu registrieren. Und bis heute knnen in den nur Mastodon-Konten eingetragen werden.
Noch dazu wollen viele gar nichts ber das Fediverse lernen. Sie wollen viel lieber auf dem "Fediverse gleich Mastodon"-Stand bleiben. Fr immer. Denn so gefllt ihnen das Fediverse am meisten: wenn es nur Mastodon ist.
Jeglicher Versuch, sie darber zu informieren, was und wie das Fediverse tatschlich ist, ist dann gleich bergriffiges Reply-Guying und Mansplaining/Fedisplaining, und sie haben jegliches Recht oder gar die Verpflichtung, sich dagegen zu verteidigen.
Das fhrt dann dazu, da Nutzer von Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, CherryPick, Catodon, Neko, GoToSocial, Mitra, micro.blog, Socialhome, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte, Lemmy, /kbin, Mbin, PieFed usw. usf. praktisch permanent auf Eierschalen laufen. Das, was sie benutzen, ist so anders als Mastodon, da es fr Mastodon-Nutzer strend ist. Die Art und Weise, wie sie es gem ihrer eigenen Kultur benutzen, ist auch wieder so anders als die Mastodon-Kultur, an die die Mastodon-Nutzer gewhnt ist, da es auch wieder fr Mastodon-Nutzer strend ist.
Warum habe ich denn unter meinen Posts und Kommentaren so einen Wust an Hashtags, wenn auch nur die geringe Chance besteht, da sie bei irgendjemandem auf Mastodon landen knnten Vor allem die, die mit
Umgekehrt drfen aber Mastodon-Nutzer sich auffhren wie die Axt im Walde. Sie drfen Friendica-Nutzer, die schon seit zwlf Jahren dabei sind, anschnauzen, sie drfen ihnen den Befehl erteilen, sich ab sofort nur noch an die Mastodon-Kultur zu halten, und sie drfen ihnen indirekt befehlen, die sehr viel ltere und sehr viel besser an Friendica angepate Friendica-Kultur fr immer aufzugeben. Und 80% von Friendicas Features gleich mit, weil Mastodon 3.x die nicht hatte und sie daher nicht Teil der Mastodon-Kultur ist.
Wenn sie wten, da...
Nicht nur wissen sie davon aber nichts, sondern sie wollen es nicht wissen. Und sie haben alles Recht, jedem, der versucht, ihnen davon auch nur ein bichen zu erklren, wegen bergriffigkeit, Reply-Guying und Mansplaining/Fedisplaining auf den Deckel zu geben.
Ernsthaft, ich wnschte, Leute, die erst seit ein paar Monaten oder Jahren auf Mastodon sind, knnten wenigstens kurzzeitig das Fediverse aus der Sicht von jemandem sehen, der seit acht Jahren auf Friendica oder Hubzilla ist.
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Except for what they had installed in-world, if anything, they had to start over from scratch. Not exactly few decided to do so on another grid, basically starting Metropolis' shrinking process.
Now, Metropolis was one of the oldest grids, launched in 2008. When it was shut down in 2022, it was the fourth-oldest grid. For a while, it even used to be bigger than OSgrid. But this age also meant it was dragging around a whole lot of old assets that were no longer in use.
is even older. Except for maybe the odd impromptu private test grid to get recently-created OpenSim running, it has always been the oldest grid. It was launched in 2007, so it's a whopping 17 years old now. Also, for most of the time, it has been the biggest grid and basically the "lighthouse instance" of OpenSim where almost all newbies ended up.
In other words, a whole lot of people contributed to the filling of what has been one of the most troubled asset servers in OpenSim for years already. The admins had tried quite a few things over the last few years to improve the situation, only to worsen it. Assets in inventories were broken or missing altogether. Announcements that the situation would normalise in a few months (with an increasing number of months estimated) never came to pass.
What was identified as a major issue are assets that don't exist in-world, and that are broken or faulty to begin with. Some may only exist on the asset server, but others linger in the inventories of avatars, many of which haven't been used in years. A lot of these were stolen from Second Life and haphazardly imported, or they broke upon export already.
So they decided to take this last resort and reset all inventories to get rid of broken content. The announcement came yesterday.
But as it seems, they've received a whole lot of criticism. They may also have been reminded that the total inventory reset with everyone losing everything that wasn't rezzed in-world was the beginning of the end of the once-mighty Metropolis Metaversum. Apparently, the OSgrid admins all pack lightly, and they seem not to be able to estimate how much the still active avatars would lose and have to save or reconstruct.
Sure, it's possible to save your entire OSgrid inventory as an IAR. But that's only possible if you have land, if you have at least one sim attached to OSgrid. So this could also have been seen as a ploy to get those who don't have land yet to host and attach sims so that OSgrid can outgrow the again and reclaim its spot as the biggest grid on the Hypergrid. I mean, it's commonly known that OSgrid doesn't take Lbsa Plaza not being the top spot on either. Besides, many simply don't have what it takes to host your own sim, not even temporarily.
And so Dan Banner, one of the admins, changed the asset reset announcement. The OSgrid team had understood how bad an idea it actually is to purge all assets that aren't rezzed in-world and delete everything from everyone's inventories, actually including payware from commercial grids. It would drive people away from OSgrid even faster than the current situation which mostly has them create backup avatars elsewhere.
It would not only drive them away from OSgrid, but over to commercial competitors like or Wolf Territories which not only aren't younger than OSgrid, but which have their own powerful asset servers and actually take good care of them. Especially the Wolf Territories Grid comes with the advantage of being only three years old and never having been used as a gateway for mass-importing tons of copybotted content. Also, these commercial grids have stable sources of income in the shape of land rentals. OSgrid doesn't have land rentals at all all sims that aren't official are hosted by their users and attached for free. So OSgrid only makes money from donations and an annual in-world auction.
And indeed, has that 87 sims were just recently moved to Wolf Territories via OAR export and import. This greatly reeks of a beginning OSgrid exodus.
This must have caused a change of mind among the OSgrid admins. They still consider a reset, but now they want to try to restore the assets in people's inventories afterwards. That's all we know now.
Asset Reset - OSgrid News
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #QuotePost #QuoteTweet #QuoteToot #QuoteBoost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #OSgrid #Kitely #WolfTerritories #WolfGrid #WolfTerritoriesGridOne of the worst things that can happen in an grid, except its complete and permanent shutdown, is the inventories of all avatars being wiped clean. It has happened in Metropolis, I think, in 2019. Many of those who were around back then decided to move away to another grid that promised to be more reliable. Those who were AWOL returned later, just to find their inventories completely empty and their avatars consisting of only the white, textureless system body. In either case, their inventories didn't even contain the "building blocks" for standard Ruth, and when they returned, a blank skin, a blank shape, blank hair and blank eyes had to be created on the spot.
Except for what they had installed in-world, if anything, they had to start over from scratch. Not exactly few decided to do so on another grid, basically starting Metropolis' shrinking process.
Now, Metropolis was one of the oldest grids, launched in 2008. When it was shut down in 2022, it was the fourth-oldest grid. For a while, it even used to be bigger than OSgrid. But this age also meant it was dragging around a whole lot of old assets that were no longer in use.
is even older. Except for maybe the odd impromptu private test grid to get recently-created OpenSim running, it has always been the oldest grid. It was launched in 2007, so it's a whopping 17 years old now. Also, for most of the time, it has been the biggest grid and basically the "lighthouse instance" of OpenSim where almost all newbies ended up.
In other words, a whole lot of people contributed to the filling of what has been one of the most troubled asset servers in OpenSim for years already. The admins had tried quite a few things over the last few years to improve the situation, only to worsen it. Assets in inventories were broken or missing altogether. Announcements that the situation would normalise in a few months (with an increasing number of months estimated) never came to pass.
What was identified as a major issue are assets that don't exist in-world, and that are broken or faulty to begin with. Some may only exist on the asset server, but others linger in the inventories of avatars, many of which haven't been used in years. A lot of these were stolen from Second Life and haphazardly imported, or they broke upon export already.
So they decided to take this last resort and reset all inventories to get rid of broken content. The announcement came yesterday.
But as it seems, they've received a whole lot of criticism. They may also have been reminded that the total inventory reset with everyone losing everything that wasn't rezzed in-world was the beginning of the end of the once-mighty Metropolis Metaversum. Apparently, the OSgrid admins all pack lightly, and they seem not to be able to estimate how much the still active avatars would lose and have to save or reconstruct.
Sure, it's possible to save your entire OSgrid inventory as an IAR. But that's only possible if you have land, if you have at least one sim attached to OSgrid. So this could also have been seen as a ploy to get those who don't have land yet to host and attach sims so that OSgrid can outgrow the again and reclaim its spot as the biggest grid on the Hypergrid. I mean, it's commonly known that OSgrid doesn't take Lbsa Plaza not being the top spot on either. Besides, many simply don't have what it takes to host your own sim, not even temporarily.
And so Dan Banner, one of the admins, changed the asset reset announcement. The OSgrid team had understood how bad an idea it actually is to purge all assets that aren't rezzed in-world and delete everything from everyone's inventories, actually including payware from commercial grids. It would drive people away from OSgrid even faster than the current situation which mostly has them create backup avatars elsewhere.
It would not only drive them away from OSgrid, but over to commercial competitors like or Wolf Territories which not only aren't younger than OSgrid, but which have their own powerful asset servers and actually take good care of them. Especially the Wolf Territories Grid comes with the advantage of being only three years old and never having been used as a gateway for mass-importing tons of copybotted content. Also, these commercial grids have stable sources of income in the shape of land rentals. OSgrid doesn't have land rentals at all all sims that aren't official are hosted by their users and attached for free. So OSgrid only makes money from donations and an annual in-world auction.
And indeed, has that 87 sims were just recently moved to Wolf Territories via OAR export and import. This greatly reeks of a beginning OSgrid exodus.
This must have caused a change of mind among the OSgrid admins. They still consider a reset, but now they want to try to restore the assets in people's inventories afterwards. That's all we know now.
Asset Reset - OSgrid News
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #QuotePost #QuoteTweet #QuoteToot #QuoteBoost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #OSgrid #Kitely #WolfTerritories #WolfGrid #WolfTerritoriesGrid The *keys simply have many more users. This means they have many more potential developers. This means they have many more people who say, "I don't like it the way it is, the devs won't make it the way I want it to be, so I'm going to fork it." There are dozens of Misskey forks and Misskey fork forks.
In the Friendica family, it's almost a wonder that Friendica and Hubzilla have found new maintainers. Every last fork in the family, and there were quite a lot, was made by Mike himself. After the streams repository was created, the family had eight members, six of which were officially maintained by Mike. Even though three were identical in all but branding.
Granted, there were few reasons for users to fork anything made by Mike. What would they have wanted As many features as possible, much like Sharkey Well, Hubzilla already covers that. All-new features No need to fork an entire project. All of them from Mistpark to Forte were and are modular and can be expanded with third-party add-ons, so you can simply make an add-on and put it into your own third-party repository, and admins can add your repository to their servers. Reduce the number of features Do that on an admin level and disable add-ons.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) Reminds me of when I was working on .
I had spent two solid days researching for and describing the first image. Now I wanted to take on another image of the same scenery, but as an aerial view from a very different angle. So I took some closer looks at parts that are invisible in the first image.
As it turned out, there is a picture of a human face with eyes inside the building that is invisible in the first image, but that ended up on a visible surface in the second image and therefore counted as visible. This meant I had to pull all stops necessary to prevent an eye contact trigger. However, I had absolutely no means of keeping the image from jumping right into the faces of Mastodon users. I could have made my fellow Hubzilla users click up to four times until they'd see the image, but not a single one of these measures would have translated to Mastodon.
I immediately decided against adding the image to the post, discarded the early work-in-progress image description and saved a whole lot of hours of research and describing.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #EyeContact You really can't. And in fact, it's getting increasingly harder to satisfy the alt-text police.
They've gone from sanctioning missing alt-text to sanctioning completely useless alt-text (e.g. random gibberish) to sanctioning uninformative alt-text ("Image") to sanctioning not sufficiently informative alt-text (that's missing details or elements which they think must be described) as well as sanctioning faulty or inaccurate alt-text. What has actually come to pass.
For this reason, I'm constantly upping my image-describing game to be ahead of any kinds of requirements for accuracy, informativity and level of detail. No matter how big an effort I've put in prior image descriptions, , I declare them obsolete. I don't even know if I have a single original image post that's up-to-date. In order to be safe from being criticised for not describing something accurately enough or at a sufficient level of detail or in a way that's best for fully blind people to understand, I would constantly have to go around and update all my image descriptions whenever I learn something new and add what I've learned to my image-describing style.
Now, I'm not talking about 200-600 characters of alt-text per image, and that's it. For my original images from virtual worlds, I'm talking about two descriptions per image. One is a "short" description in the alt-text. "Short", by the way, usually means around 900-1,000 characters because I need the rest of the alt-text limit to explain that there's an additional long image description in the post itself. And "long" means "exceeding almost all defined character limits in the Fediverse several times over".
I have to satisfy neurotypical users who need super-detailed image descriptions and, above all, super-detailed explanations for everything that's unfamiliar to them. I have to satisfy (maybe only hypothetical) blind or visually-impaired users who demand the same chances to explore new and unknown worlds by taking in all the big and small details of an image from that world that fully sighted people have. I have to satisfy those who generally say that image descriptions are the better, the more detailed they are.
I have to satisfy the alt-text police by a) providing an image description so detailed that the chances that they deem it insufficient because certain details are missing are near nil and b) adding a second description to the alt-text at as high a level of detail as the character limit allows so that they can't complain about there not being an image description in alt-text.
In satisfying all the people mentioned above, I have to throw other people under the bus. Some may simply not have the attention span to go through my short descriptions of almost 1,000 characters, much less my long descriptions of tens of thousands of characters. And some blind or visually-impaired users may not have the combination of attention span and patience to sit through an hour or two or of their screen reader rambling down one of my long image descriptions.
There's no safe middle ground either. Middle ground would mean that it's still too long for some while not detailed and informative enough for others or lacking explanations necessary to understand the image and its description.
Two other possible takes on describing my images. One is that It might simply not be worth the effort if the topic is so visual-centric that it's inherently inaccessible to blind and visually-impaired people. Also, nobody cares about these images anyway. (Then again, the alt-text police don't care for topics. They probably even sanction image posts without sufficient alt-texts if they stumble upon them in the federated timeline of an instance that is not their home.)
The other one is that . If an image shows something so obscure that it requires titanic amounts of description and explanation, it's impossible to describe in a way that helps everyone all the same. Someone will have to suffer. So if you can't describe it in 500 characters or fewer in a way that absolutely covers everyone's needs perfectly, don't even think about posting it in the first place.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Ableism #Ableist #A11y #Accessibility So do I for my original images, but in addition to the alt-text. I describe all of my original images twice.
Whenever I post original images, I add a long (and I mean unbelievably long) image description to the post itself (no character limit here, at least none to worry about). I have to add it to the post because it's way longer than 1,500 characters, and Mastodon, Misskey and their forks would cut it off at the 1,500-character mark if it was in the alt-text.
Afterwards, I distill it into a short image description of usually slightly under 1,000 characters for the alt-text. I need at least 500 characters to tell people on older Mastodon versions where they can find a longer, more detailed, more informative image description, that's why I can't use all 1,500 characters for the short description.
The reason why I have an image description in the alt-text in addition to that in the post are the more radical parts of the Mastodon alt-text police that may insist in there always being a sufficiently descriptive and accurate image description in the alt-text for every image, full stop. I can't rely on them being satisfied if there's only an image description in the post, also because they immediately see the image when they're on an older Mastodon version, but not the post text body with the long description.
I don't want to spend two full days or more describing one image, just to be attacked, insulted as ableist and/or blocked because there's no image description in the alt-text.
The extra description in the post is necessary because I can't nearly fit everything into the short description in the alt-text.
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Friendica is the oldest one, the biggest one, the most well-known one, the one that's the easiest to get into and the only one with dedicated (Android) mobile apps.
Hubzilla is the second-oldest one and easily the most powerful one, but also the one that's the hardest to get into.
(streams) is the newest and most advanced one, but also next to impossible to find for those who are Googling it or looking for public instances to test it (it only has two).
All three are very different from Mastodon (see the tables behind the link at the top of this comment).
Self-hosting seems fairly easy. All three are built in PHP and don't require much more than a LAMP stack. Also, all three can be installed via YunoHost.
As for diaspora*, forget it. All recommendations for diaspora* come from Mastodon users who only know it from hearsay from other Mastodon users who only know it from hearsay. In reality, it's slowly dying, and even big and important pods with lots of user accounts are shutting down. Also, it doesn't support ActivityPub, it can't connect to Mastodon, and it never will. That's a fully intentional design decision with very good reasoning behind it.
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Again, ask a.k.a. .
For example, they've collected crowdfunding money to buy a machine to be used as a Sharkey-related server. And then they only used it as a Minecraft server instead. And that's only one example. I can't rattle down the whole history. Linuxisbest can.
As for the user experience on at least some of them, ask .
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Sharkey Sit down, get a snack and a drink, for this will be long.
"The federated G+" was literally made before Google+ itself.
Have you ever heard of
If not, let me take you back to 2010. Back then, it first came out that Facebook was spying on its users and selling their private data. In spring, four students asked for $12,000 of crowdfunding for an ambitious project: a free, open-source, non-commercial, non-corporate, decentralised alternative to Facebook named diaspora*.
The word spread like wild fire. Tech media jumped upon it. Non-tech mass media jumped upon it. These four guys were about to develop a Facebook killer! Of the requested $12,000, they got over $200,000.
They started working in May, 2010. In October, they presented a first very early alpha version of diaspora* that could only run on Macs as servers. It would take the likely suicide of the project founder, the replacement of the whole development team and several years to even release a first beta. To this day, diaspora* did not have a 1.0 stable release.
In general, diaspora* did not become the huge, super-popular Facebook killer. It always remained obscure.
Then came Google. They saw that people wanted to move away from Facebook, but they thought they had nowhere to go. And Google wanted to exploit the self-same source of income as Facebook. So they launched Google+.
Google+ was a blatant, full-on, all-out rip-off of diaspora*. The circles that almost everyone "knows" were invented by Google diaspora*'s aspects, stolen by Google. Google's entire new corporate UI design with the black navigation bar at the top diaspora*'s design.
Again: diaspora* had Google+'s circles before Google+ had circles. diaspora* has aspects, and Google stole them and named them circles.
Google got away with it easily. Nobody knew diaspora*. Nobody knew what diaspora* looks like. And diaspora* itself had other things to take care of than a multi-billion-dollar lawsuit against a power-mongering Silicon Valley teracorporation or even a C&D against Google.
But seriously, diaspora* isn't worth looking at nowadays. It may have released a 0.9 beta last year, skipping 0.8 altogether. But it's withering away.
Shortly before New Year's Eve 2024, three major diaspora* pods shut down. According to one statistics website, diaspora* lost more than half its user accounts within three days. For April 1st, 2025, the shutdown of diasp.org, one of the biggest and most important pods, has been announced. JoinDiaspora, the old lighthouse pod, has been gone for quite a while now.
But diaspora*'s issues lie not only in its slow development, but also in its design decisions. It's beautiful, but it's minimalist to the point of being lack-lustre. Also, diaspora* does not support ActivityPub and never will. It only supports its own protocol. The developers have explicitly decided against supporting ActivityPub because Fediverse projects don't "implement ActivityPub", they "implement Mastodon". This, however, also means that diaspora* cannot connect to most of the Fediverse by far.
But: There's even better than diaspora* and Google+ that's free, open-source, decentralised and federated. And it was there before Google+. I'm not kidding.
Remember, it took four students, $200,000 of crowd-funding and five months (May to October, 2010) to create a first, very unfinished preview of diaspora*.
But the same year, it took one developer and protocol designer with some three decades of experience (Mike Macgirvin ), zero crowd-funding and only four months (March to July, 2010) to create a first, very fleshed-out and useable release of something initially called Mistpark.
At this point, when the four diaspora* creators were still tinkering, Mistpark was already more powerful than both diaspora* and Mastodon are today. It already had everything a social network needs. It had diaspora*'s aspects before diaspora* had aspects and long before Google+ had circles only it called them lists. And Mistpark's lists were diaspora*'s aspects and Google+'s circles on coke.
Since early 2012, Mistpark has been known as (). Since mid-January, 2025, it is the primary go-to alternative to Facebook in the Fediverse. And it has continuously been fully federated with Mastodon for as long as Mastodon has been around. Since January, 2016. Again, I'm not kidding.
But Mike didn't stop there. He went on and improved the same concept further and further by forking his own creations and advancing them technologically.
In 2011, he invented the concept of (something that Bluesky claims to have invented much later, but has yet to prove to be functional) to make identites more resilient against server shutdown, and he created another all-new communication protocol named Zot (today known as Nomad) for that purpose.
In 2012, he handed Friendica over to the community and forked it into something called Red, later the Red Matrix. It was the first not only decentralised, but nomadic social server application in the world. In 2015, it was redesigned, vastly expanded in features and renamed ().
To this day, Hubzilla is the one most powerful and feature-rich Fediverse server application. It is not a vague concept or in early development instead, it has been a rock-solid multi-purpose daily driver for longer than Mastodon has been around.
Another one of its key features is what's the second-most advanced and fine-grained permissions system in the Fediverse, something that Mastodon doesn't have at all. Its privacy groups are diaspora*'s aspects or Google+'s circles on coke and 'roids because you can do things with them that are impossible even on Friendica, much less diaspora* or Google+, not to mention what Mastodon calls lists. They aren't called privacy groups for nothing.
In 2018, Mike handed the development of Hubzilla over to the community to concentrate on the further advancement of Zot. This led to:
Except for the first Osada, all of them were or still are nomadic. Except for Zap until some point in 2019, all of them supported or still support ActivityPub. And they all had or still have an advanced permissions system which, at least on (streams) and Forte, even slightly surpasses Hubzilla's. Their access lists are at least on par with Hubzilla's privacy groups.
If you're looking for a decentralised Google+ drop-in replacement, that'd be diaspora*. But diaspora* is dying, and it will never federate with Mastodon.
If you're also interested in something that's even better than Google+, check .
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On Friendica, creating a new group as in a Facebook group means registering a whole new login.
If you want to create such a group, I'd recommend you to do that on another Friendica node than the one you're on right now. For if you had a group on the node that you're on right now, and you wanted to moderate the group, you'd have to
But if your group is on another node, you can stay logged into both at the same time.
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I'm on WriteFreely myself. And it's pretty minimalist. WriteFreely doesn't support comments. Not at all. Also, if you want to embed images or other media, you have to host them elsewhere and then hotlink them. WriteFreely doesn't have a built-in file host.
Both may be on the to-do list, but I don't know how high up they are.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #WriteFreely #Write.as Wenn man hauptschlich auf Mastodon ist und sieht, wie ein Nicht-Mastodon-Nutzer angeschnauzt wird, da er geflligst seine Posts auf maximal 500 Zeichen beschrnken oder sich geflligst aus dem Fediverse verpissen soll (ist exakt so passiert), dann sitzt man da, guckt sich das an und amsiert sich.
Das ist aber ganz was anderes, wenn man als Daily Driver etwas anderes als Mastodon nutzt. Wenn man nicht gerade von Mastodon umgestiegen ist. Wenn man womglich schon lnger im Fediverse ist als mindestens 99% aller aktuellen Mastodon-Nutzer. Wenn man von vornherein ganz andere Sachen gewohnt ist als Mastodon.
Und wenn man dann selbst derjenige ist, der angeschnauzt wird, da man mehr als die Hlfte der Features, die man hat, nicht mehr nutzen darf, weil das irgendwelche Mastodon-Nutzer strt. Weil Mastodon diese Features nicht hat bzw. nicht hatte, als die Mastodon-Kultur definiert wurde. Weil diese Features daher in der Mastodon-Kultur nicht vorkommen.
Das ist dann nicht mehr so lustig.
Jemand, der das Fediverse erst kennengelernt hat, indem er aufgrund von Elon Musk von Twitter nach Mastodon abgehauen ist und dann eine ganze Weile glaubte, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon (trifft auf mindestens 60% aller heutigen Fediverse-Nutzer zu), sieht und erlebt das Fediverse ganz anders als jemand, der z. B. seit 2011 durchgngig auf Friendica ist.
Genau solche Leute sind brigens der Grund, warum eine eigentlich ffentliche (streams)-Gruppe, in der ich mit einem anderen Kanal bin, ActivityPub komplett abgeschaltet hat. Man kann sie nur noch von Hubzilla oder (streams) aus nutzen, aber die "Kollateralschden" werden gerne in Kauf genommen dafr, da die ganze Gruppe fr Mastodon-Nutzer unsichtbar und unerreichbar ist.
A propos (streams): Das ist eine von nur zwei Serveranwendungen mit einem adminseitigen User Agent Filter, mit dem man ganze Fediverse-Projekte tutto kompletto aussperren kann. Eingebaut wurde das, um Threads einfach und komplett blockieren zu knnen. Aber es wurde damit beworben, da man als Admin damit auch Mastodon als Ganzes loswerden knnte.
Ich meine, vielleicht sollte der Spie mal umgedreht werden. Ich kenne mindestens einen Friendica-Nutzer, der praktisch jeden sofort sperrt, von dem er einen Thread aus Maximal-500-Zeichen-Schnipseln bekommt. Vielleicht sollten ein paar mehr Nicht-Mastodon-Nutzer diejenigen Mastodon-Nutzer, die das tun, nicht einfach nur stummschalten oder blockieren, sondern anschnauzen, das geflligst in einen Post zu tun.
Vielleicht sollten Friendica-, Hubzilla-, (streams)- und Forte-Nutzer auch solche Mastodon-Nutzer anschnauzen, die das Zusammenfassungsfeld fr Inhaltswarnungen mibrauchen. Vor allem, wenn sie nicht statt dessen Schlsselwrter oder Hashtags einbauen, die leserseitig generierte Inhaltswarnungen auslsen. Oder die Erwhnungen "spammen", weil man aus deren Sicht nie mehr als eine oder hchstens mal zwei Erwhnungen braucht.
Rechtfertigung dafr: "Wir waren zuerst hier."
Ich wre echt mal neugierig, wie die Mastodon-Nutzer darauf reagieren.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #MastoHOA #MastodonHOA #FediHOA #FediverseHOA Richtig. Das sind die Leute, die erzwingen wollen, da das Fediverse zu einer Kombination aus dem wird, wie Twitter-Flchtlinge 2022 das Fediverse wahrgenommen haben, und dem, wie sie es gerne htten.
Erstens heit das: nur Mastodon. So, wie es aus ihrer Sicht 2022 noch war. Die ganzen Nicht-Mastodon-"Eindringlinge" haben sich aus dem Fediverse zu verpissen. Alle von Pixelfed bis hin zu (und ganz besonders) Friendica, das schon mehr als fnf Jahre lnger im Fediverse ist als Mastodon, und mit dem Mastodon sich bei seinem eigenen Start verbunden hat.
Zweitens heit das: nur Vanilla-Mastodon. Keine Instanzen mit ber 500 Zeichen mehr und erst recht keine Forks.
Drittens heit das: Alle haben sich an die Mastodon-Kultur, die Mastodon-Regeln und die Mastodon-Etikette zu halten, die Mitte 2022 von den Twitter-Flchtlingen der ersten Welle um Mastodon 3.x herm definiert wurden. Die, die jetzt neu dazu kommen, haben von der ersten Sekunde an diese Kultur zu leben und zu atmen, oder sie fliegen aus dem Fediverse wieder raus. Und wer vor Februar 2022 auf Mastodon war, hat sich auch an die neue Kultur anzupassen.
Viertens heit das folglich auch: Im ganzen Fediverse steht die Verwendung von Features, die Mastodon 3.x nicht hatte, unter Strafe, weil die in der Mastodon-Kultur nicht vorgesehen sind.
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That is, Fediverse newbies normally land on fairly large and well-known instances. Chances are that they make themselves known on other big instances fairly quickly. So you could try the search on your instance, the directory (unless you're on Hubzilla which doesn't list ActivityPub-based accounts in its directory, only Nomad-based channels) or good old mention auto-complete.
Ideally, however, those who leave a commercial silo should tell their acquaintances where they go. It isn't wise to first delete your Facebook account, then join Friendica and then wait for your old Facebook friends to find you. Also, ideally, they should have more than way of communicating with their more important acquaintances.
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I'm not quite sure if any Friendica app actually covers exactly 100% of Friendica's functionality. What they should cover is what's needed for daily driving. But I'm not sure if all of them cover, for example, all features of the built-in file manager and every last one of .
An actually, absoutely fully-featured Friendica app would be voluminous. Not as huge as a (streams) app and not as massive as a Hubzilla app, but big.
In the cases of some features, I'm not even sure how much sense they make in a mobile app. Would a mobile app need all configuration controls for the Web interface And does it make sense for an iPhone app to brandish the full set of Friendica admin controls if it detects the logged-in account to be an admin account
Besides, in spite of its old age, Friendica is constantly changing and sometimes introducing new features. Third-party apps will have to keep up with core and add-on development.
And once the now-growing Friendica community has settled in and attracted a few devs, and they discover that Friendica is so modular that it can attach third-party add-ons server-side, and they start developing third-party add-ons, mobile apps won't cover 100% of Friendica anymore anyway.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #FriendicaApp #FriendicaAppsA festival against the growing right wing has commenced in Dorenas World. It will continue over the weekend.
Line-up (all times PST/grid time)
Saturday, February 15th
09:30-10:00 - Lead-in with Klarabella Karamell
10:00-12:00 - Wolem Wobbit live (on-going)
12:00-13:00 - live
13:00-open end - DJ Xenos Yifu
Sunday, February 16th
07:30-09:00 - DJ Bogus Curry (ask me for his Fediverse ID)
09:00-11:00 - JohnWinston Vandyke live
11:00-12:00 - Reading with Kueperpunk Korhonen
12:00-13:00 - Rubeus Helgerud reads Wolfgang Borchert
13:00-open end - DJ battle between Klarabella Karamell and
Event location is the festival ground at .
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #VirtualEvent #DorenasWorld #Politics #DEPol #AntiRightWing #AntiFascism Besides, Friendica has had quote-posts for almost 15 years as its primary method of sharing posts. It has continuously been federated with Mastodon for as long as Mastodon has been around. And stilll, there isn't a single known case of a Friendica user harassing a Mastodon user, or anyone else, by means of quote-post.
Just one example, the oldest one.
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Todays NAPs Table of racing tips in UK & Ireland
with and exploring in on Den kann ich sogar noch ber.Yes, it's that bad
I've read an interesting comparison the other day: Mastodon is the Internet Explorer 6 of the Fediverse.It's underwhelming. It's underequipped. It lacks features that are standard just about everywhere else. It's actually hopelessly outdated. In fact, it's even insecure, also due to how it lacks security features that competitors have readily available. And it ignores officially defined standards and tries hard to force the whole FediverseWeb to adopt its own non-standard solutions instead.
At the same time, however, for many many users, it is the FediverseInternet, full stop.
For the vast majority of FediverseInternet users, it was the first Fediverse projectWeb browser they came across because that's what they were mouth-fed when they started with the FediverseInternet. For quite a long time, it was the only Fediverse projectWeb browser they even knew existed, and for many, it still is. Alternatives are only known to and used by the tech-savvy, and they're also the only ones who are aware of how dangerously lacking it is.
Thus, it has vastly more users than all its alternatives combined. Its market share is such that its developers don't even have to care for standards compatibility or what advantages the competition has. They can force their way upon everyone and everything.
Even many websites are built hard against only Mastodonthe Internet Explorer and malfunction or completely refuse to work with any of its alternatives, not seldomly because their developers don't even know that alternatives exist. And few developers dare to build websitesFediverse projects only according to HTMLActivityPub standards, even if that means breaking compatibility with Mastodonthe IE6.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Comparison #Fediverse #Mastodon #NotOnlyMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #FediverseIsNotMastodon #InternetExplorer #InternetExplorer6 #IE6
(Selbst-Quote-Posten FTW! Man ist ja schreibfaul.)
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #QuotePost #QuoteTweet #QuoteToot #QuoteBoost #Fediverse #Mastodon #NichtNurMastodon #InternetExplorer #InternetExplorer6 #IE6 Und genau das wurde auf Twitter eingesetzt als Waffe gegen Angehrige von Minderheiten (BIPoC, 2SLGBTQQIA+ etc.). Im Grunde kennt man das als Twitter-User nur dafr.
Noch ein Grund, warum so viele von da nach Mastodon geflohen sind: weil Mastodon keine Quote-Posts/Drkos/Drukos hat.
Was aber kaum jemand auf Mastodon wei: Das Fediverse hat sehr wohl Quote-Posts. Praktisch alles, was Mikro- oder Makroblogging macht und nicht "Mastodon" heit, kann quote-posten. Und kann auch Mastodon-Trts quote-posten.
Aussage, die ich gerade bekommen habe: Hubzilla und (streams) htten nie die Mglichkeit haben drfen, Mastodon-Trts zu quote-posten, weil Mastodon sich gegen Quote-Posts entschieden hat.
Nur: Zum einen war 2016 das Nichtimplementieren von Quote-Posts keine Entscheidung zum Schutz von Twitter-Flchtlingen, sondern zum Vereinfachen von Mastodon. Zum anderen mten wahrscheinlich mehr als 60 Fediverse-Serveranwendungen fr Mastodon eine Ausnahme einbauen.
Was fr Twitter-Flchtlinge auf Mastodon auch vllig unvorstellbar ist: Quote-Posts sind in fast 15 Jahren Friendica nie mibruchlich genutzt worden. Und berall sonst, was Quote-Posts kann, auch nicht.
brigens ist auch das wieder so ein Fall, wo Mastodon-Nutzer versuchen, dem gesamten Fediverse die Mastodon-Kultur aufzuzwingen und Features, die Mastodon nicht hat, wegzunehmen.
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Mastodon decided against quote posts so far, so Hubzilla and (streams) should not allow quoting Mastodon posts.
I mean, I could propose to Mike, Mario and Harald to automatically remove the Share button under any and all posts and comments from Mastodon, just to see their reactions.
But as a matter of fact, Pleroma and Akkoma can quote-post Mastodon toots just the same. The same goes for Misskey and its over 50 forks, including but not limited to JavaScript-based Iceshrimp which won't get any new features, Iceshrimp.NET which isn't officially released yet, Sharkey, CherryPick and Catodon. And Friendica can quote-post Mastodon toots, too.
Several dozen Fediverse server projects can quote-post Mastodon toots. They all would have to change. Or they all would have had to change the moment that it was decided that Mastodon lacks quote-posts to protect its users rather than to stay simple.
And where are you reading that Mastodon will reinvent the wheel To me it reads like they are working on Fediverse-wide interoperability for these features.
That has been Mastodon's track record since its very inception. I won't believe that anything has changed about this until Mastodon actually implements technology introduced by another Fediverse server project.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebate #QuoteTootDebate Long It isn't just a matter of consent. Besides, for example, I do have quote-post control here on Hubzilla.
I can give permission to quote-post my posts to
- everyone in the Fediverse
- everyone on Hubzilla and (streams)
- everyone on this hub
- approved and unapproved connections
- only approved connections
- only those of my connections whom I explicitly give permission by contact role
- nobody but myself
Over on (streams), I can still give that permission to
- everyone in the Fediverse
- all my connections
- only myself + specific connections whom I grant that permission either by permission role or by individual connection settings
It's much more a matter of technology.
Mastodon is about to completely re-invent the wheel with a non-standard, Mastodon-only setting. This setting will only work within Mastodon simply because it probably won't even be documented anywhere, especially not before it's officially rolled out.
There simply is no way that every last instance of Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, CherryPick, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko, dozens of other Misskey forks, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. etc. will have that setting implemented before Mastodon rolls it out so that even the users on mastodon.social are perfectly safe from the first second on.
Besides, Mike Macgirvin , creator of Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte and still the only maintainer of the latter two, will never introduce proprietary Mastodon features to them. He'd rather risk (streams) and Forte becoming incompatible with Mastodon. The same goes for Mario Vavti and Harald Eilertsen, Hubzilla's main maintainers.
If Mastodon wants to become a perfectly safe haven against unallowed quote-posting, it has only got one choice: It must introduce something like (streams)' and Forte's user agent filter and use it to block just everything that isn't Mastodon. Like, include a hard-coded allowlist that only includes Mastodon plus what little can't quote or quote-post anyway.
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And yes, I hope better reply/interaction controls are coming soon, I know some of that is planned right after quote posts are finished. Really can't wait to see that!
And that, too, will only work within Mastodon.
Also, that, too, won't be a "Mastodon first" feature. At least Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte have reply and interaction controls included in their permissions systems which, in a way, work Fediverse-wide.
Within themselves and each other, they actually make impossible what isn't allowed. For example, if you aren't allowed to repeat (= boost) or share (= quote-post) a post or a comment, you don't even have the button. These permissions aren't understood anywhere outside these three yet, but I've got higher hopes that this permissions system will be cast into FEPs than that Mastodon's hacks will be.
In fact, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte have reply control on three levels:
- channel-wide (who is generally allowed to reply Hubzilla has eight levels, (streams) and Forte have three)
- for individual connections
- per post (on Hubzilla, commenting on a post can be disallowed altogether on (streams) and Forte, additionally, commenting can be limited to your full connections, and a time can be defined from which commenting will no longer be allowed)
Again, within these three, if commenting is not allowed, the UI elements for commenting will be missing. Outsiders may be able to comment, but all three block disallowed comments on a server level, i.e. they aren't deleted from the inbox, they are kept from entering the inbox in the first place. And so they don't appear in the thread for all those who support threaded conversations.
It'd really be nice if this permissions system became one or a set of FEPs for others to pick up.
CC:
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #ReplyControls Keep one thing in mind:
Mastodon may not have quote-posts yet. But the Fediverse has quote-posts right now. And it has had them since before Mastodon was made.
Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, CherryPick, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko, dozens of other Misskey forks, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. etc., they all have quote-posts. They're all fully capable of quote-posting any Mastodon toot.
None of them has introduced quote-posts to harass Twitter refugees on Mastodon. At least Friendica and Hubzilla have had quote-posts since long before Mastodon was even made.
You will be able to choose whether your posts can be quoted at all.
At least by Mastodon users.
But since this will be Mastodon re-inventing the wheel with brand-new, proprietary, Mastodon-only technology, everything I've listed above will still be able to quote-post anyone and anything on Mastodon with zero resistance.
To quote-post myself and the guy who invented Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte:
I think I've just chased someone out of the Fediverse.
That someone was afraid of Mastodon being "screwed over" by becoming quote-post-able.
I've told him the truth: Mastodon has been quote-post-able for as long as it has been around. Mastodon became quote-post-able the very moment it was launched.
That's because when Mastodon was launched, it immediately federated with Friendica which is from 2010, which had been around for almost six years at that point, and which has had quote-posts from its own inception AFAIK. Mastodon also immediately federated with Hubzilla which has had quote-posts since its own inception, since it had been forked from Friendica, and that was in 2012.
Mastodon has never been un-quote-post-able.
Right now, there are dozens of Fediverse server apps whose users can quote-post Mastodon toots with no resistance.
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The closest you'll ever get to making Mastodon un-quote-postable is to post privately. Not unlisted. Private. Most fediverse software will honour this today and it doesn't require yet another "pretend permission". Like unlisted.
And Mike should know. He brought things to the Fediverse like actually working permissions. Including permissions on two levels to quote-post any content on a channel. Readily available right now at least on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte.
Also, this is what people on Friendica and its descendants have been using quote-posts for since 2010.
You will be notified when someone quotes you.
You already are when someone on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte quote-posts one of your posts.
As for Pleroma, Misskey and their forks, you aren't notified right now, and I've got my doubts that you will be after this change.
Also, "quote" and "quote-post" are two different things. Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte can do both. "Quote" is what I'm doing right here. Whether or not you're notified depends on whether or not you're mentioned.
And blocking quotes is even less possible. A quote only consists of a pair of BBcode tags plus the quoted text in-between. And on Friendica and all its descendants, you don't work with a WYSIWYG editor by default, but you have to get your hands dirty on raw markup code.
You will be able to withdraw your post from the quoted context at any time.
Again, probably not if someone on Pleroma, Misskey or one of their forks quote-posts you.
And definitely not if someone on Friendica or one of its descendants quote-posts you.
The difference is that a quote-post on Pleroma, Misskey or one of their forks is actually a reference to the original. On Friendica and its descendants, a quote-post is an automatically generated dumb copy of the original.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Calckey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #CherryPick #Sharkey #Catodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebate #QuoteTootDebate Eigentlich lt sich das Phnomen einfach erklren.
- 50% der Leute hinter den Kampagnen glauben, das Fediverse ist nur Mastodon. Die leben in ihrer reinen Mastodon-"Blo kein Tech-Nerd-Kram"-Blase komplett hinterm Mond.
- 20% glauben, das Fediverse ist nur Mastodon, Pixelfed und PeerTube und vielleicht noch Loops, weil sie von etwas anderem noch nicht gehrt haben.
- 10% haben von Alternativen zu Mastodon schon namentlich gehrt, aber eben nur das. Sie knnen sich nicht vorstellen, da irgendwas besser ist als Mastodon.
- 10% haben vielleicht auch davon gehrt, da z. B. Misskey oder Friendica Mastodon in Sachen Features berlegen sind. Es ist fr sie aber immer noch komplett unvorstellbar, da die einzelnen Fediverse-Serveranwendungen untereinander verbunden sind. Sie glauben, von Mastodon aus kann man nur Mastodon-Konten folgen, von Pixelfed-Konten aus nur Pixelfed-Konten, von Friendica-Konten aus nur Friendica-Konten usw.
- Die brigen 10% wissen auch letzteres, und zwar sptestens, seit ihnen ein "berlanger" Post von Friendica ber den Weg gelaufen ist und sie sich mit dem Nutzer dahinter gezofft haben, weil der sich weigert, seine "Trts" auf maximal 500 Zeichen zu beschrnken. Aber das sind die fanatisierten Fundamentalisten. Die wollen, da alle nach Mastodon kommen und im Prinzip das ganze Fediverse zu Mastodon wird.
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First of all, I apologise if you already know this, but there are so many who have been on Mastodon for much longer than you, and who don't know: If you want to follow Friendica users, you can do so from Mastodon. Even though Friendica and Mastodon are fundamentally different. You don't need a Friendica account just for that. You'd only need a Friendica account if you personally need Friendica's extra features.First of all, why are they so different Why are they so much different that it may cause friction with Mastodon Why didn't they make Friendica more like Mastodon
Because "they" (actually originally one man in Australia, now two guys in Germany) made it before Mastodon. Friendica first came out in July, 2010. Mastodon first came out in January, 2016. Five and a half years later. And immediately when Mastodon was first released, it was federated with Friendica. And it has continuously been ever since then.
Also, Friendica has never aimed to be a full-on, all-out Facebook clone. Its goal has always been to be "like Facebook, but better than Facebook". So it is different from Facebook. It doesn't look like Facebook, it doesn't feel like Facebook. It just does what Facebook does with extra stuff on top.
As Friendica is so much older than Mastodon and developed entirely independently from Mastodon, don't expect it to be anything like Mastodon either. Half of what you know about Mastodon you can toss out of the window when you join Friendica and re-learn it.
Now, the first difference between Mastodon and Friendica is: Mastodon being like Twitter means that it's social media. It's about following accounts and consuming their content, it's about others following your account and consuming your content.
Friendica is like Facebook. It's true social networking. It's about people connecting with people. Even though Friendica has adopted the "follower" and "followed" wording from Mastodon, its default is still the bidirectional connection. Maybe you still remember that you didn't follow people on Facebook, and they didn't follow you back, thus creating two unidirectional connections. You didn't have followers, you didn't follow, you had "friends" which always went into both directions.
"Social networking" also means that on Friendica, much unlike on Mastodon, you don't follow people because of their content first and foremost. Friendica is more geared towards connecting with people because of their profiles. A Mastodon profile has not even half a dozen text fields. A Friendica profile has well over a dozen. Including a dedicated text field for keywords.
This contributes to the directory being much, much more useful on Friendica than on Mastodon. You can search the Friendica directory for names. You can search it for keywords. It comes with a keyword cloud. And it has a "suggestion" mode in which Friendica matches other profiles with yours.
So you're into dogs. You add "dogs" to your keyword field. Someone else has "dogs" in their keyword field. And what do you know, they slide up your list of suggestions! Also, I guess (I've been out of Friendica for many years, using two of its surviving descendants instead this comment comes from ) that connections of your connections move to the top of the suggestions, too. Just like on Facebook. Key feature on everything that's truly social networking.
There's even a .
Discussions on Friendica are better than on Mastodon. That's because Friendica, just like Facebook, like Tumblr, like a blog, like a forum, like almost everything that isn't Twitter or Mastodon, has threaded conversations. It's fully aware of entire threads. A conversation is not loosely tied together from posts and more posts like on Mastodon. Instead, it's an enclosed object with exactly one post. The start post. And otherwise any number of comments. Which are totally not posts.
Now, what does that mean in practice Let's play through a conversation that entirely happens on Friendica.
Imagine you're connected with Alice. Alice posts something. You receive Alice's post on your stream (= timeline).
Bob comments. You are not connected with Bob. Bob doesn't mention you. In fact, Bob doesn't mention anyone. But still, Alice knows about Bob's comment because it's listed as an unread activity. And you know about Bob's comment, too, because it's listed as an unread activity for you as well.
By the way: Unread activities. Another thing that doesn't exist on Mastodon. On Mastodon, you read your unread stuff by scrolling and scrolling and scrolling through your timeline and scrolling some more until either you hit the stuff that you've already read, or until you've got no more time and/ore spoons to read any more. If the latter, there'll inevitably be a whole lot of toots that you'll never know about. On Friendica, you have a counter and a list of posts and comments that you have not read yet. And you can go through it by and by, until there's nothing anymore that's unread. Luckily, Friendica doesn't show you posts and comments one by one, but it always shows you entire threads.
Okay, back to the conversation: Carol comments on Bob's comment on Alice's post. Carol only mentions Bob to make sure that she's replying to Bob rather than directly to Alice. Again, the mention is not needed for Bob to see her comment. She doesn't mention Alice either, she doesn't mention you, and you aren't connected with Carol.
But yet again, Carol's comment is listed as an unread activity.
Now you want to check Alice's post, Bob's comment and Carol's comment. Again, you don't have to check them one by one. If you click either, Friendica will show you the whole conversation at once. Like a post on Facebook with comments below. Like a blog post with comments below. And it will mark Alice's post, Bob's comment and Carol's comment as flagged.
This is how conversations should be. Always. You have a post on your stream, you get all the comments on it. At least all that come in after you've received the post.
But Friendica goes even further: It has groups. Discussion groups. Like forums. It has always had them. I mean, Facebook has always had groups, too, right Basically, after you've joined a group, you receive all posts from that group plus all comments under these posts. And if you post to a group, everyone in the group receives your post. All without fumbling around with hashtags and hoping people on other instances happen upon your post by searching for that hashtag.
Now you may say that Mastodon has Guppe groups. Yeah, but they're a glued-on hack made by someone who probably thought the Fediverse is only Mastodon. They can't be searched for whereas . Speaking of public groups, they can be private. As in, outsiders can't see the profile, outsiders can't see the posts in the group, and they aren't listed in any directory. Also, Friendica groups can be moderated. Guppe groups can't.
What else Posts. You can do more in a post on Friendica than you can see on Mastodon.
Vanilla Mastodon is limited to 500 characters. It can be raised, but not by configuration. Raising the limit requires hacking into the source code and usually having to do so after each Mastodon upgrade.
Friendica, as far as I know, is "limited" to 200,000 characters. At the same time, as far as I know, Mastodon rejects posts from outside if they're longer than 100,000 characters. Friendica lets you write posts that are so long that Mastodon refuses to even import them.
Friendica supports all kinds of text formatting. Mastodon can display bold type, italics, maybe underline, also bullet-point lists, quotes (it still can't display quote-posts which Friendica has had from the get-go as well), well, and that's about it. Friendica can create all this and more. Much more. If you can do it in a blog post, you can do it on Friendica. Maybe even more than that.
A very good example is how Friendica handles images. Mastodon can only handle images as file attachments and only four of these. If you only know Mastodon, you perceive this as the one and only Fediverse standard, and you can barely imagine that it could possibly be any different. That's because Mastodon can only handle images with these limitations in content from outside as well.
Friendica, on the other hand, is not limited in how many pictures you can have in a post. And it can actually have pictures in a post. Embedded within the post. With text above the picture and more text below the picture and another picture below that text and so forth. Just like a blog.
Since Mastodon refuses to render embedded in-line images, Friendica actually has to additionally convert all imported images into file attachments which Mastodon understands. But even then, Mastodon will throw all of them away except four if you have more than four.
How does Friendica do that Well, part of the secret is because Friendica has its own cloud file space built into each account. If you upload an image to Mastodon, it ends up somewhere where you can't access it. If you upload an image to Friendica, it ends up in your cloud file space. With its own little file manager. Which even supports folders and subfolders.
In fact, Friendica even has image gallery functionality!
That said, as Friendica is so much different from Mastodon, and particularly, since it's so much older than Mastodon, it has its own culture which is rooted in a) its vast set of features and b) the early 2010s. Friendica has never adopted Mastodon culture, and it never will. That's because Mastodon culture clashes so much with Friendica's native culture and with Friendica's features.
For example, Friendica users happily churn out posts and comments which at least some Mastodon users perceive as so long that they're disturbing. Namely over 500 characters long. Ask a Friendica user to chop their long posts into threads with never over 500 characters, and you will not receive.
Friendica users do stuff in their posts that Mastodon won't render. This includes embedding images and more than four. If Mastodon won't render them, then from a Friendica point of view, it doesn't mean that Friendica is using some non-standard freak feature that should be avoided. It rather means that Mastodon is broken. And if the Mastodon devs refuse to fix it, then Mastodon is broken by design.
This may come as a surprise to you, but: Mastodon's CW field was not invented from scratch as a CW field. Originally, it's a summary field. It's a summary field on Laconi.ca/StatusNet/GNU social. It's a summary field on Friendica (where it's called "abstract"). It's a summary field on everything that came after Friendica. But in 2017, someone proposed to make it a CW field on Mastodon. Ever since then, everyone on Mastodon "knows" that this field is purpose-made for CWs and for CWs only.
Again, on Friendica, it's for summaries. Friendica users either use it for a summary (and even then, this involves a pair of BBcode tags), or they don't use it at all.
At the same time, Friendica historically, and to this day, handles CWs differently: It generates them on the reader's side. Automatically and only if you want to. For this, it has an optional, very basic filter-like feature named "NSFW" that comes with not much more than a keyword list. If a keyword from that list is in a post or a comment or a PM, the whole thing will be automatically hidden behind a button. Much like a Mastodon CW, but unlike a Mastodon CW, it's only rendered for you (and everyone else who has that keyword on the list) and not forced upon everyone all the same.
(By the way: Mastodon has introduced the self-same functionality to its filters with the release of Mastodon 4.0 in October, 2022. But even though this was right before the biggest Twitter-to-Mastodon migration wave ever, nobody knows about this.)
This leads to culture clash:
- Mastodon users are disturbed because Friendica users don't add CWs to sensitive content.
- Mastodon users are extra disturbed because Friendica users "spam" their posts with hashtags. These hashtags are used to trigger the generation of reader-side CWs which are not part of Mastodon's culture because nobody knows they exist, and because they didn't exist in mid-2022 when Mastodon's culture was (re-)defined.
- Mastodon users are extra special disturbed because Friendica users "misuse" the CW fields for "like, titles or summaries or whatever that stuff is".
- Friendica users are disturbed because Mastodon users misuse the abstract field for CWs without even adding an actual abstract.
- Friendica users are extra disturbed because Mastodon users don't add keywords or hashtags to trigger their NSFW.
Also, Mastodon users mute or block Friendica users because they post over 500 characters at once. In turn, I know at least one Friendica user who blocks everyone upon first strike who chops a longer post into a thread with never more than 500 characters in one message. Friendica users are perfectly used to posts with 10,000 characters, but they find the same posts cut into threads with over two dozen tiny posts cumbersome and tiring.
Before mid-January, 2025, accessibility didn't play any role on Friendica. The old Friendica guard saw alt-text as another dumb fad from Mastodon's stupid and ignorant culture that perceives the Fediverse as only Mastodon. Not to mention that adding alt-text to images on Friendica is still kind of cumbersome because next to nobody has ever actually considered using that feature until very recently.
Interestingly, Zuckerberg's further enshittification of Facebook which triggered a slow but steady migration wave from Facebook to Friendica also coincided with the very first time ever that a Friendica veteran (the same guy who blocks thread posters) was asked to add alt-text to an image. Which must have been a rather disturbing experience for him.
Another cultural difference concerns connections with other software and platforms. Still today, over half of all Mastodon users think the Fediverse is only Mastodon. And truth be told, many many Mastodon users would love the Fediverse to actually be only Mastodon. Anything that connects with Mastodon and sends content to Mastodon is seen as rogue, culture-less intruders.
On Friendica, in a stark contrast, connection with anything and everything has been an integral part of the concept, of the philosophy and thus of the culture from the very beginning on.
Friendica doesn't only communicate through ActivityPub which it didn't even support until 2019 (it also has its own protocol, DFRN). Even then, it has a much more complete and standard-compliant ActivityPub implementation than Mastodon.
It can also connect do diaspora*, another much less feature-rich "Facebook killer" from later in 2010 which refuses to support any protocol other than its own, and which actually doesn't aim to federate with anything else (all the cross-project federation work was entirely done on Friendica's side). If you've been intensively using Friendica for at least a year or two, it's absolutely normal to have contacts on diaspora*.
It's also one of the very last Fediverse projects that still support OStatus, the old protocol used by GNU social, formerly StatusNet.
It can integrate Bluesky accounts so you can connect to Bluesky without the Bridgy Fed bridge and without Bridgy Fed's limitations. It can integrate Tumblr accounts. It could theoretically still integrate accounts if the node admin had the millions for an API license. In the early 2010s, it was even able to integrate Facebook accounts. It can natively crosspost to WordPress and Libertree.
It can subscribe to RSS and Atom feeds while generating Atom feeds itself. It can communicate via e-mail. And its chat has at least basic XMPP compatibility.
Friendica's credo is something like, "If it exists, we federate." Mastodon's credo rather seems to be something like, "There's Mastodon, there's evil, there's broken, and there's both broken and evil. If it isn't Mastodon, it'd better not disturb us."
In fact, most Mastodon users barely notice the Fediverse outside Mastodon, also because they barely identify content from outside of Mastodon as such. Another reason why they try to force Mastodon's culture upon non-Mastodon users: They don't even notice that these aren't Mastodon users at all.
Friendica users are fully aware of how colourful the Fediverse is, also because Friendica's Web UI actually tells you where a post or a comment came from. They still find the behaviour of many Mastodon users disturbing and tiring. But they're more aware that Mastodon has its own culture, and they don't try to force Friendica's culture upon users of something that isn't even technologically fit to adopt Friendica's culture.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #MastodonCulture #Friendica Friendica apps are generally installed and work on your local device.
Friendica's own frontend can be modified extensively with themes built into a node. But there are no full-blown third-party frontends that completely replace Friendica's built-in frontend like Phanpy fully replaces Mastodon's frontend or Mangane fully replaces Pleroma-FE and Akkoma-FE.
Currently, the only platform that gives you a selection of alternative, third-party frontends that fully replace Friendica's frontend is Android because there are quite a few dedicated, native Friendica apps available for Android.
On Windows or Linux, all you can do is install . But it's an early and not entirely open beta, it's very incomplete and unfinished, and to my understanding, it still lacks important features.
On a Mac or an iPhone, you're completely out of luck. Again, there's only Relatica which is just as unfinished and incomplete as on Android, Windows and Linux. But Relatica for macOS and for iOS is which requires an account on in order to get into contact with the Relatica developers.
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Omar, candidat au chat le plus long du monde
Nia Long
Ich bleibe trotzdem dabei: Ein "Ich zeig dir, wie sich das mit Erde und Sonne verhlt - dann wird dir einiges klarer und leichter." finde ich einladender.
Selbst das fhlt sich doch fr nicht wenige Mastodon-Nutzer schon wieder wie bergriffiges Reply-Guying an, wenn sie nicht explizit genau danach gefragt werden. Und die allermeisten fragen gar nicht erst. Schon kriegt man auf den Deckel.
Ich sollte die Hashtags #Fedisplaining und #CWFedisplaining wieder hufiger benutzen, wann immer ich ungefragt etwas erklre, damit die Leute noch mehr zum Filtern haben. Ich mu berhaupt wieder mehr darauf achten, auch wirklich alle wichtigen Hashtags zum Filterauslsen einzubauen. Auch wenn ich dann auf den Deckel kriege, weil ich mehr als vier Hashtags verwende.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ReplyGuy #ReplyGuys So unterschiedlich sind die Wahrnehmungen zwischen reinen Mastodon-Nutzern und Nicht-Mastodon-Nutzern. Das erfahre ich immer wieder.
Auf der einen Seite ist da die breite Masse der Nur-Mastodon-Nutzer und Nur-Mastodon-Kenner. Ich wage zu behaupten, auch wenn besonders aktuell geradezu explosiv wchst, weil viele von Instagram abhauen, bleibt das auf Mastodon, vor allem dem deutschsprachigen Mastodon, weitestgehend unbemerkt. Auch das allmhliche Wachstum von durch Leute, die von Facebook umsteigen, merkt man auf Mastodon kaum.
Resultat: Wahrscheinlich immer noch weit mehr als die Hlfte aller Mastodon-Nutzer ist immer noch der Ansicht, da das Fediverse nur aus Mastodon besteht.
Dazu zhlen Leute, die schon seit drei, vier oder noch mehr Jahren dabei sind und haufenweise Kontakte haben. Aber entweder schaffen sie es, obwohl sie aberhunderten oder gar abertausenden Leuten folgen, ausschlielich Leuten auf Mastodon zu folgen, die auch wieder nur Leuten auf Mastodon folgen. Keiner von denen hat a) Ahnung vom Fediverse und b) Interesse am Fediverse. Und so bekommen sie vom Fediverse auerhalb von Mastodon nichts mit. Oder sie bekommen stndig Posts und Kommentare von auerhalb von Mastodon rein, erkennen diese aber nicht als von auerhalb von Mastodon. Und auch darin redet niemand vom Fediverse auerhalb von Mastodon.
Aktuell die Fluchtbewegung von Instagram nach Pixelfed, von TikTok nach Loops, von Facebook nach, na ja, wohin auch immer die Facebook-Flchtlinge gelotst werden, all das erzeugt eigentlich einen Riesenrummel im Fediverse. Aber ihre Kontakte scheinen davon nichts mitzubekommen, deren Kontakte auch nicht, und so merken sie selbst auch nichts davon. Auch von Flipboard oder von der ActivityPub-Integration in WordPress haben sie nie etwas mitbekommen. Das meine ich mit "hinterm Mond".
Bisher dachten aber Leute wie (auf Friendica), (auf ) oder ich (auch auf Hubzilla), da es schlecht und behebenswert wre, wenn Leute glauben, das Fediverse ist nur Mastodon. Und nicht der unverrckbare Normalzustand, den es bitteschn zu respektieren gilt.
Ich kenne im Fediverse einige, die eben gerade nicht wie 99,999% aller Fediverse-Nutzer irgendwann in den 2020ern von Twitter nach bzw. ber Mastodon gekommen sind. Statt dessen sind sie schon sehr viel lnger im Fediverse und noch dazu auf Anwendungen unterwegs, die nicht nur nicht Mastodon sind (aber trotzdem voll mit Mastodon verbunden), sondern sehr extrem nicht Mastodon. Die fundamental anders sind als Mastodon.
Das heit auch: Wir erleben das Fediverse anders als die breite Masse, die nur Mastodon kennt. Wir erleben, wie aus Unwissenheit ber das Fediverse jenseits von Mastodon der Unwille wird, etwas ber das Fediverse jenseits von Mastodon zu lernen. Und daraus Ignoranz und Borniertheit. Und daraus eine totale Mastodon-Zentrizitt und Mastodon-Normativitt. Und daraus die stndige Diskriminierung des Nicht-Mastodon-Fediverse. Ja, Diskriminierung. Nur weil Mastodon-Nutzer sie nicht wahrnehmen, heit es nicht, da sie nicht existiert.
Beispielsweise versuchen nicht wenige von diesen Leuten, die Mastodon-Kultur, die Mitte 2022 auf der Grundlage von Mastodon 3.x (und auch nur darauf) entstanden ist, mit aller Gewalt im ganzen Fediverse durchzusetzen.
Da wird dann ein (Calckey, standardmig 3000 Zeichen) von einem Mastodon-Nutzer angeschnauzt, er habe geflligst lange Posts in Threads aus Schnipseln von nicht mehr als 500 Zeichen zu zerhacken oder sich geflligst aus dem Fediverse zu verpissen. Weil das ganze Fediverse bitteschn nur Standard-Mastodon zu sein hat.
(Wahrscheinlich wrden sich umgekehrt tausende von Mastodon-Nutzern aufregen, wenn sie wten, da (Friendica, 200.000 Zeichen) jeden sofort blockt, von dem er auch nur einen einzigen Schnipsel-Thread empfngt.)
Da kloppt sich derselbe mit einem Tech-Journalisten, der felsenfest darauf beharrt, da es ein in sich geschlossenes Mastodon-Netzwerk gibt und Crossgolf (und einige andere Nutzer von z. B. Akkoma, Friendica, Hubzilla usw.) als ahnungslose Idioten beschimpft, weil die etwas anderes behaupten.
Da wird ein Jakob (Friendica) von einer Mastodon-Nutzerin nach kurzem Disput stante pede geblockt. Weil er Friendica nutzt. Weil sie glaubt, er sei ein bser Hacker, der sich mit seinem bsen Hacker-Tool namens "Friendica" illegalerweise ins Mastodon-Fediverse reingehackt hat, um da Mastodon-Nutzer anzugreifen oder so.
Da wird etwas entwickelt namens . FEDIDevs. Aber es wird vollumfnglich hart nur gegen Mastodon gebaut ohne Rcksicht auf irgendetwas anderes. Ohne da auch nur in Erwgung gezogen wird, da es im Fediverse auch noch was anderes als Mastodon geben knnte. "FEDI" impliziert doch, da es fr das ganze Fediverse ist. Ist es aber nicht. Erst vor kurzem ist auch fr die ersten paar anderen Fediverse-Serveranwendungen die Mglichkeit eingebaut worden, sich mit Konten dort zu registrieren. Und bis heute knnen in den nur Mastodon-Konten eingetragen werden.
Noch dazu wollen viele gar nichts ber das Fediverse lernen. Sie wollen viel lieber auf dem "Fediverse gleich Mastodon"-Stand bleiben. Fr immer. Denn so gefllt ihnen das Fediverse am meisten: wenn es nur Mastodon ist.
Jeglicher Versuch, sie darber zu informieren, was und wie das Fediverse tatschlich ist, ist dann gleich bergriffiges Reply-Guying und Mansplaining/Fedisplaining, und sie haben jegliches Recht oder gar die Verpflichtung, sich dagegen zu verteidigen.
Das fhrt dann dazu, da Nutzer von Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, CherryPick, Catodon, Neko, GoToSocial, Mitra, micro.blog, Socialhome, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte, Lemmy, /kbin, Mbin, PieFed usw. usf. praktisch permanent auf Eierschalen laufen. Das, was sie benutzen, ist so anders als Mastodon, da es fr Mastodon-Nutzer strend ist. Die Art und Weise, wie sie es gem ihrer eigenen Kultur benutzen, ist auch wieder so anders als die Mastodon-Kultur, an die die Mastodon-Nutzer gewhnt ist, da es auch wieder fr Mastodon-Nutzer strend ist.
Warum habe ich denn unter meinen Posts und Kommentaren so einen Wust an Hashtags, wenn auch nur die geringe Chance besteht, da sie bei irgendjemandem auf Mastodon landen knnten Vor allem die, die mit
#CW anfangen Damit empfindliche Mastodon-Nutzer was zum Filtern haben.Umgekehrt drfen aber Mastodon-Nutzer sich auffhren wie die Axt im Walde. Sie drfen Friendica-Nutzer, die schon seit zwlf Jahren dabei sind, anschnauzen, sie drfen ihnen den Befehl erteilen, sich ab sofort nur noch an die Mastodon-Kultur zu halten, und sie drfen ihnen indirekt befehlen, die sehr viel ltere und sehr viel besser an Friendica angepate Friendica-Kultur fr immer aufzugeben. Und 80% von Friendicas Features gleich mit, weil Mastodon 3.x die nicht hatte und sie daher nicht Teil der Mastodon-Kultur ist.
Wenn sie wten, da...
- derjenige auf Friendica ist und nicht auch auf Mastodon
- Friendica vllig anders ist als Mastodon
- es so gewollt ist, da Friendica vllig anders ist als Mastodon
- Friendica ein vllig anderes Konzept hat als Mastodon
- Friendica vor allem lter ist als Mastodon, und zwar gute fnf Jahre
- Friendica seine eigene Kultur hat, die auch wieder lter ist als die von Mastodon
Nicht nur wissen sie davon aber nichts, sondern sie wollen es nicht wissen. Und sie haben alles Recht, jedem, der versucht, ihnen davon auch nur ein bichen zu erklren, wegen bergriffigkeit, Reply-Guying und Mansplaining/Fedisplaining auf den Deckel zu geben.
Ernsthaft, ich wnschte, Leute, die erst seit ein paar Monaten oder Jahren auf Mastodon sind, knnten wenigstens kurzzeitig das Fediverse aus der Sicht von jemandem sehen, der seit acht Jahren auf Friendica oder Hubzilla ist.
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One of the worst things that can happen in an grid, except its complete and permanent shutdown, is the inventories of all avatars being wiped clean. It has happened in Metropolis, I think, in 2019. Many of those who were around back then decided to move away to another grid that promised to be more reliable. Those who were AWOL returned later, just to find their inventories completely empty and their avatars consisting of only the white, textureless system body. In either case, their inventories didn't even contain the "building blocks" for standard Ruth, and when they returned, a blank skin, a blank shape, blank hair and blank eyes had to be created on the spot.Except for what they had installed in-world, if anything, they had to start over from scratch. Not exactly few decided to do so on another grid, basically starting Metropolis' shrinking process.
Now, Metropolis was one of the oldest grids, launched in 2008. When it was shut down in 2022, it was the fourth-oldest grid. For a while, it even used to be bigger than OSgrid. But this age also meant it was dragging around a whole lot of old assets that were no longer in use.
is even older. Except for maybe the odd impromptu private test grid to get recently-created OpenSim running, it has always been the oldest grid. It was launched in 2007, so it's a whopping 17 years old now. Also, for most of the time, it has been the biggest grid and basically the "lighthouse instance" of OpenSim where almost all newbies ended up.
In other words, a whole lot of people contributed to the filling of what has been one of the most troubled asset servers in OpenSim for years already. The admins had tried quite a few things over the last few years to improve the situation, only to worsen it. Assets in inventories were broken or missing altogether. Announcements that the situation would normalise in a few months (with an increasing number of months estimated) never came to pass.
What was identified as a major issue are assets that don't exist in-world, and that are broken or faulty to begin with. Some may only exist on the asset server, but others linger in the inventories of avatars, many of which haven't been used in years. A lot of these were stolen from Second Life and haphazardly imported, or they broke upon export already.
So they decided to take this last resort and reset all inventories to get rid of broken content. The announcement came yesterday.
But as it seems, they've received a whole lot of criticism. They may also have been reminded that the total inventory reset with everyone losing everything that wasn't rezzed in-world was the beginning of the end of the once-mighty Metropolis Metaversum. Apparently, the OSgrid admins all pack lightly, and they seem not to be able to estimate how much the still active avatars would lose and have to save or reconstruct.
Sure, it's possible to save your entire OSgrid inventory as an IAR. But that's only possible if you have land, if you have at least one sim attached to OSgrid. So this could also have been seen as a ploy to get those who don't have land yet to host and attach sims so that OSgrid can outgrow the again and reclaim its spot as the biggest grid on the Hypergrid. I mean, it's commonly known that OSgrid doesn't take Lbsa Plaza not being the top spot on either. Besides, many simply don't have what it takes to host your own sim, not even temporarily.
And so Dan Banner, one of the admins, changed the asset reset announcement. The OSgrid team had understood how bad an idea it actually is to purge all assets that aren't rezzed in-world and delete everything from everyone's inventories, actually including payware from commercial grids. It would drive people away from OSgrid even faster than the current situation which mostly has them create backup avatars elsewhere.
It would not only drive them away from OSgrid, but over to commercial competitors like or Wolf Territories which not only aren't younger than OSgrid, but which have their own powerful asset servers and actually take good care of them. Especially the Wolf Territories Grid comes with the advantage of being only three years old and never having been used as a gateway for mass-importing tons of copybotted content. Also, these commercial grids have stable sources of income in the shape of land rentals. OSgrid doesn't have land rentals at all all sims that aren't official are hosted by their users and attached for free. So OSgrid only makes money from donations and an annual in-world auction.
And indeed, has that 87 sims were just recently moved to Wolf Territories via OAR export and import. This greatly reeks of a beginning OSgrid exodus.
This must have caused a change of mind among the OSgrid admins. They still consider a reset, but now they want to try to restore the assets in people's inventories afterwards. That's all we know now.
Asset Reset - OSgrid News
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #QuotePost #QuoteTweet #QuoteToot #QuoteBoost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #OSgrid #Kitely #WolfTerritories #WolfGrid #WolfTerritoriesGridOne of the worst things that can happen in an grid, except its complete and permanent shutdown, is the inventories of all avatars being wiped clean. It has happened in Metropolis, I think, in 2019. Many of those who were around back then decided to move away to another grid that promised to be more reliable. Those who were AWOL returned later, just to find their inventories completely empty and their avatars consisting of only the white, textureless system body. In either case, their inventories didn't even contain the "building blocks" for standard Ruth, and when they returned, a blank skin, a blank shape, blank hair and blank eyes had to be created on the spot.
Except for what they had installed in-world, if anything, they had to start over from scratch. Not exactly few decided to do so on another grid, basically starting Metropolis' shrinking process.
Now, Metropolis was one of the oldest grids, launched in 2008. When it was shut down in 2022, it was the fourth-oldest grid. For a while, it even used to be bigger than OSgrid. But this age also meant it was dragging around a whole lot of old assets that were no longer in use.
is even older. Except for maybe the odd impromptu private test grid to get recently-created OpenSim running, it has always been the oldest grid. It was launched in 2007, so it's a whopping 17 years old now. Also, for most of the time, it has been the biggest grid and basically the "lighthouse instance" of OpenSim where almost all newbies ended up.
In other words, a whole lot of people contributed to the filling of what has been one of the most troubled asset servers in OpenSim for years already. The admins had tried quite a few things over the last few years to improve the situation, only to worsen it. Assets in inventories were broken or missing altogether. Announcements that the situation would normalise in a few months (with an increasing number of months estimated) never came to pass.
What was identified as a major issue are assets that don't exist in-world, and that are broken or faulty to begin with. Some may only exist on the asset server, but others linger in the inventories of avatars, many of which haven't been used in years. A lot of these were stolen from Second Life and haphazardly imported, or they broke upon export already.
So they decided to take this last resort and reset all inventories to get rid of broken content. The announcement came yesterday.
But as it seems, they've received a whole lot of criticism. They may also have been reminded that the total inventory reset with everyone losing everything that wasn't rezzed in-world was the beginning of the end of the once-mighty Metropolis Metaversum. Apparently, the OSgrid admins all pack lightly, and they seem not to be able to estimate how much the still active avatars would lose and have to save or reconstruct.
Sure, it's possible to save your entire OSgrid inventory as an IAR. But that's only possible if you have land, if you have at least one sim attached to OSgrid. So this could also have been seen as a ploy to get those who don't have land yet to host and attach sims so that OSgrid can outgrow the again and reclaim its spot as the biggest grid on the Hypergrid. I mean, it's commonly known that OSgrid doesn't take Lbsa Plaza not being the top spot on either. Besides, many simply don't have what it takes to host your own sim, not even temporarily.
And so Dan Banner, one of the admins, changed the asset reset announcement. The OSgrid team had understood how bad an idea it actually is to purge all assets that aren't rezzed in-world and delete everything from everyone's inventories, actually including payware from commercial grids. It would drive people away from OSgrid even faster than the current situation which mostly has them create backup avatars elsewhere.
It would not only drive them away from OSgrid, but over to commercial competitors like or Wolf Territories which not only aren't younger than OSgrid, but which have their own powerful asset servers and actually take good care of them. Especially the Wolf Territories Grid comes with the advantage of being only three years old and never having been used as a gateway for mass-importing tons of copybotted content. Also, these commercial grids have stable sources of income in the shape of land rentals. OSgrid doesn't have land rentals at all all sims that aren't official are hosted by their users and attached for free. So OSgrid only makes money from donations and an annual in-world auction.
And indeed, has that 87 sims were just recently moved to Wolf Territories via OAR export and import. This greatly reeks of a beginning OSgrid exodus.
This must have caused a change of mind among the OSgrid admins. They still consider a reset, but now they want to try to restore the assets in people's inventories afterwards. That's all we know now.
Asset Reset - OSgrid News
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #QuotePost #QuoteTweet #QuoteToot #QuoteBoost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #OSgrid #Kitely #WolfTerritories #WolfGrid #WolfTerritoriesGrid The *keys simply have many more users. This means they have many more potential developers. This means they have many more people who say, "I don't like it the way it is, the devs won't make it the way I want it to be, so I'm going to fork it." There are dozens of Misskey forks and Misskey fork forks.
In the Friendica family, it's almost a wonder that Friendica and Hubzilla have found new maintainers. Every last fork in the family, and there were quite a lot, was made by Mike himself. After the streams repository was created, the family had eight members, six of which were officially maintained by Mike. Even though three were identical in all but branding.
Granted, there were few reasons for users to fork anything made by Mike. What would they have wanted As many features as possible, much like Sharkey Well, Hubzilla already covers that. All-new features No need to fork an entire project. All of them from Mistpark to Forte were and are modular and can be expanded with third-party add-ons, so you can simply make an add-on and put it into your own third-party repository, and admins can add your repository to their servers. Reduce the number of features Do that on an admin level and disable add-ons.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) Reminds me of when I was working on .
I had spent two solid days researching for and describing the first image. Now I wanted to take on another image of the same scenery, but as an aerial view from a very different angle. So I took some closer looks at parts that are invisible in the first image.
As it turned out, there is a picture of a human face with eyes inside the building that is invisible in the first image, but that ended up on a visible surface in the second image and therefore counted as visible. This meant I had to pull all stops necessary to prevent an eye contact trigger. However, I had absolutely no means of keeping the image from jumping right into the faces of Mastodon users. I could have made my fellow Hubzilla users click up to four times until they'd see the image, but not a single one of these measures would have translated to Mastodon.
I immediately decided against adding the image to the post, discarded the early work-in-progress image description and saved a whole lot of hours of research and describing.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #EyeContact You really can't. And in fact, it's getting increasingly harder to satisfy the alt-text police.
They've gone from sanctioning missing alt-text to sanctioning completely useless alt-text (e.g. random gibberish) to sanctioning uninformative alt-text ("Image") to sanctioning not sufficiently informative alt-text (that's missing details or elements which they think must be described) as well as sanctioning faulty or inaccurate alt-text. What has actually come to pass.
For this reason, I'm constantly upping my image-describing game to be ahead of any kinds of requirements for accuracy, informativity and level of detail. No matter how big an effort I've put in prior image descriptions, , I declare them obsolete. I don't even know if I have a single original image post that's up-to-date. In order to be safe from being criticised for not describing something accurately enough or at a sufficient level of detail or in a way that's best for fully blind people to understand, I would constantly have to go around and update all my image descriptions whenever I learn something new and add what I've learned to my image-describing style.
Now, I'm not talking about 200-600 characters of alt-text per image, and that's it. For my original images from virtual worlds, I'm talking about two descriptions per image. One is a "short" description in the alt-text. "Short", by the way, usually means around 900-1,000 characters because I need the rest of the alt-text limit to explain that there's an additional long image description in the post itself. And "long" means "exceeding almost all defined character limits in the Fediverse several times over".
I have to satisfy neurotypical users who need super-detailed image descriptions and, above all, super-detailed explanations for everything that's unfamiliar to them. I have to satisfy (maybe only hypothetical) blind or visually-impaired users who demand the same chances to explore new and unknown worlds by taking in all the big and small details of an image from that world that fully sighted people have. I have to satisfy those who generally say that image descriptions are the better, the more detailed they are.
I have to satisfy the alt-text police by a) providing an image description so detailed that the chances that they deem it insufficient because certain details are missing are near nil and b) adding a second description to the alt-text at as high a level of detail as the character limit allows so that they can't complain about there not being an image description in alt-text.
In satisfying all the people mentioned above, I have to throw other people under the bus. Some may simply not have the attention span to go through my short descriptions of almost 1,000 characters, much less my long descriptions of tens of thousands of characters. And some blind or visually-impaired users may not have the combination of attention span and patience to sit through an hour or two or of their screen reader rambling down one of my long image descriptions.
There's no safe middle ground either. Middle ground would mean that it's still too long for some while not detailed and informative enough for others or lacking explanations necessary to understand the image and its description.
Two other possible takes on describing my images. One is that It might simply not be worth the effort if the topic is so visual-centric that it's inherently inaccessible to blind and visually-impaired people. Also, nobody cares about these images anyway. (Then again, the alt-text police don't care for topics. They probably even sanction image posts without sufficient alt-texts if they stumble upon them in the federated timeline of an instance that is not their home.)
The other one is that . If an image shows something so obscure that it requires titanic amounts of description and explanation, it's impossible to describe in a way that helps everyone all the same. Someone will have to suffer. So if you can't describe it in 500 characters or fewer in a way that absolutely covers everyone's needs perfectly, don't even think about posting it in the first place.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Ableism #Ableist #A11y #Accessibility So do I for my original images, but in addition to the alt-text. I describe all of my original images twice.
Whenever I post original images, I add a long (and I mean unbelievably long) image description to the post itself (no character limit here, at least none to worry about). I have to add it to the post because it's way longer than 1,500 characters, and Mastodon, Misskey and their forks would cut it off at the 1,500-character mark if it was in the alt-text.
Afterwards, I distill it into a short image description of usually slightly under 1,000 characters for the alt-text. I need at least 500 characters to tell people on older Mastodon versions where they can find a longer, more detailed, more informative image description, that's why I can't use all 1,500 characters for the short description.
The reason why I have an image description in the alt-text in addition to that in the post are the more radical parts of the Mastodon alt-text police that may insist in there always being a sufficiently descriptive and accurate image description in the alt-text for every image, full stop. I can't rely on them being satisfied if there's only an image description in the post, also because they immediately see the image when they're on an older Mastodon version, but not the post text body with the long description.
I don't want to spend two full days or more describing one image, just to be attacked, insulted as ableist and/or blocked because there's no image description in the alt-text.
The extra description in the post is necessary because I can't nearly fit everything into the short description in the alt-text.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta
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I told you if you hold on to #clothes #long #enough they come back in #fashion
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Take a look at .Friendica is the oldest one, the biggest one, the most well-known one, the one that's the easiest to get into and the only one with dedicated (Android) mobile apps.
Hubzilla is the second-oldest one and easily the most powerful one, but also the one that's the hardest to get into.
(streams) is the newest and most advanced one, but also next to impossible to find for those who are Googling it or looking for public instances to test it (it only has two).
All three are very different from Mastodon (see the tables behind the link at the top of this comment).
Self-hosting seems fairly easy. All three are built in PHP and don't require much more than a LAMP stack. Also, all three can be installed via YunoHost.
As for diaspora*, forget it. All recommendations for diaspora* come from Mastodon users who only know it from hearsay from other Mastodon users who only know it from hearsay. In reality, it's slowly dying, and even big and important pods with lots of user accounts are shutting down. Also, it doesn't support ActivityPub, it can't connect to Mastodon, and it never will. That's a fully intentional design decision with very good reasoning behind it.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #diaspora* #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams)
Curious what makes the devs of Sharkey "shady."
Again, ask a.k.a. .
For example, they've collected crowdfunding money to buy a machine to be used as a Sharkey-related server. And then they only used it as a Minecraft server instead. And that's only one example. I can't rattle down the whole history. Linuxisbest can.
As for the user experience on at least some of them, ask .
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Sharkey Sit down, get a snack and a drink, for this will be long.
I wish someone made the federated G+
"The federated G+" was literally made before Google+ itself.
diaspora*
Have you ever heard of
If not, let me take you back to 2010. Back then, it first came out that Facebook was spying on its users and selling their private data. In spring, four students asked for $12,000 of crowdfunding for an ambitious project: a free, open-source, non-commercial, non-corporate, decentralised alternative to Facebook named diaspora*.
The word spread like wild fire. Tech media jumped upon it. Non-tech mass media jumped upon it. These four guys were about to develop a Facebook killer! Of the requested $12,000, they got over $200,000.
They started working in May, 2010. In October, they presented a first very early alpha version of diaspora* that could only run on Macs as servers. It would take the likely suicide of the project founder, the replacement of the whole development team and several years to even release a first beta. To this day, diaspora* did not have a 1.0 stable release.
In general, diaspora* did not become the huge, super-popular Facebook killer. It always remained obscure.
Google+
Then came Google. They saw that people wanted to move away from Facebook, but they thought they had nowhere to go. And Google wanted to exploit the self-same source of income as Facebook. So they launched Google+.
Google+ was a blatant, full-on, all-out rip-off of diaspora*. The circles that almost everyone "knows" were invented by Google diaspora*'s aspects, stolen by Google. Google's entire new corporate UI design with the black navigation bar at the top diaspora*'s design.
Like, cirlces So ahead of its times!
Again: diaspora* had Google+'s circles before Google+ had circles. diaspora* has aspects, and Google stole them and named them circles.
Google got away with it easily. Nobody knew diaspora*. Nobody knew what diaspora* looks like. And diaspora* itself had other things to take care of than a multi-billion-dollar lawsuit against a power-mongering Silicon Valley teracorporation or even a C&D against Google.
The slow death of diaspora*
But seriously, diaspora* isn't worth looking at nowadays. It may have released a 0.9 beta last year, skipping 0.8 altogether. But it's withering away.
Shortly before New Year's Eve 2024, three major diaspora* pods shut down. According to one statistics website, diaspora* lost more than half its user accounts within three days. For April 1st, 2025, the shutdown of diasp.org, one of the biggest and most important pods, has been announced. JoinDiaspora, the old lighthouse pod, has been gone for quite a while now.
But diaspora*'s issues lie not only in its slow development, but also in its design decisions. It's beautiful, but it's minimalist to the point of being lack-lustre. Also, diaspora* does not support ActivityPub and never will. It only supports its own protocol. The developers have explicitly decided against supporting ActivityPub because Fediverse projects don't "implement ActivityPub", they "implement Mastodon". This, however, also means that diaspora* cannot connect to most of the Fediverse by far.
Friendica
But: There's even better than diaspora* and Google+ that's free, open-source, decentralised and federated. And it was there before Google+. I'm not kidding.
Remember, it took four students, $200,000 of crowd-funding and five months (May to October, 2010) to create a first, very unfinished preview of diaspora*.
But the same year, it took one developer and protocol designer with some three decades of experience (Mike Macgirvin ), zero crowd-funding and only four months (March to July, 2010) to create a first, very fleshed-out and useable release of something initially called Mistpark.
At this point, when the four diaspora* creators were still tinkering, Mistpark was already more powerful than both diaspora* and Mastodon are today. It already had everything a social network needs. It had diaspora*'s aspects before diaspora* had aspects and long before Google+ had circles only it called them lists. And Mistpark's lists were diaspora*'s aspects and Google+'s circles on coke.
Since early 2012, Mistpark has been known as (). Since mid-January, 2025, it is the primary go-to alternative to Facebook in the Fediverse. And it has continuously been fully federated with Mastodon for as long as Mastodon has been around. Since January, 2016. Again, I'm not kidding.
Friendica's descendants
But Mike didn't stop there. He went on and improved the same concept further and further by forking his own creations and advancing them technologically.
In 2011, he invented the concept of (something that Bluesky claims to have invented much later, but has yet to prove to be functional) to make identites more resilient against server shutdown, and he created another all-new communication protocol named Zot (today known as Nomad) for that purpose.
In 2012, he handed Friendica over to the community and forked it into something called Red, later the Red Matrix. It was the first not only decentralised, but nomadic social server application in the world. In 2015, it was redesigned, vastly expanded in features and renamed ().
To this day, Hubzilla is the one most powerful and feature-rich Fediverse server application. It is not a vague concept or in early development instead, it has been a rock-solid multi-purpose daily driver for longer than Mastodon has been around.
Another one of its key features is what's the second-most advanced and fine-grained permissions system in the Fediverse, something that Mastodon doesn't have at all. Its privacy groups are diaspora*'s aspects or Google+'s circles on coke and 'roids because you can do things with them that are impossible even on Friendica, much less diaspora* or Google+, not to mention what Mastodon calls lists. They aren't called privacy groups for nothing.
In 2018, Mike handed the development of Hubzilla over to the community to concentrate on the further advancement of Zot. This led to:
- Osada (2018, discontinued in 2019)
- Zap (2018, discontinued in 2022)
- another Osada (2019, discontinued later in 2019)
- yet another Osada (2020, discontinued in 2022)
- Redmatrix 2020 (2020, discontinued in 2022)
- Mistpark 2020 a.k.a. Misty (2020, discontinued in 2022)
- Roadhouse (2021, discontinued in 2022)
- (, 2021)
- Forte (, 2024)
Except for the first Osada, all of them were or still are nomadic. Except for Zap until some point in 2019, all of them supported or still support ActivityPub. And they all had or still have an advanced permissions system which, at least on (streams) and Forte, even slightly surpasses Hubzilla's. Their access lists are at least on par with Hubzilla's privacy groups.
Finally
If you're looking for a decentralised Google+ drop-in replacement, that'd be diaspora*. But diaspora* is dying, and it will never federate with Mastodon.
If you're also interested in something that's even better than Google+, check .
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Google+ #GooglePlus #diaspora* #Mistpark #Friendika #Friendica #RedMatrix #Hubzilla #Osada #Zap #Mistpark2020 #Misty #Redmatrix2020 #Roadhouse #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Lists #Aspects #Circles #PrivacyGroups #AccessLists
- Calckey is deader than dead. It was forked into Firefish in 2023. Only few instances are still alive because their admins refused to move them to Firefish, and their numbers are dwindling further.
- Firefish itself is dead. Official support and development ended on New Year's Eve. This month, the official server with the code repository and the lighthouse instance is scheduled to be shut down.
- Sharkey is the most feature-rich. But first of all, its Mastodon client API implementation is said to be notoriously horrible. It seems to be difficult to connect it to a Mastodon app. Its developers are kind of shady ask a.k.a. . Lastly, Sharkey's development is cosying up to Mastodon the goal is to make it more like Mastodon. Not everyone likes that.
- CherryPick is sometimes recommended. But it's a Japanese project just like Misskey itself, and AFAIK, except for one instance in the USA, all CherryPick instances are hosted in the greater Tokyo and Seoul areas.
- A more common recommendation is Iceshrimp, and it seems to have the brightest future. It will soon no longer be a Misskey fork. It's currently being re-written from scratch in C# which appears to be the best way to get rid of the many issues that all Forkeys have inherited from Misskey. Its only "disadvantages" may be fewer features than Sharkey (but still more than Misskey) and its coming reliance on "Microsoft technology".
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Calckey #Firefish #Sharkey #CherryPick #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp.NET Not only a new profile. An entire new account.
On Friendica, creating a new group as in a Facebook group means registering a whole new login.
If you want to create such a group, I'd recommend you to do that on another Friendica node than the one you're on right now. For if you had a group on the node that you're on right now, and you wanted to moderate the group, you'd have to
- log out of your personal account
- log into the group account
- moderate
- log out of the group account
- log back into your personal account
But if your group is on another node, you can stay logged into both at the same time.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #FriendicaGroups
At some point in childhood it becomes embarrassing to be scared in a museum. And so you begin the process of fixing yourself, studying your fear, exposing its contradictions. You learn to paint. You learn to sculpt. You volunteer in a museum and help to assemble exhibits. You spend a day working with fiberglass and lose maybe half a percent of your lung function, permanently. Years later you come back to the exhibits you remember as a child. Everything is smaller and more hackable. The list of donors on the wall is held together with legos, of all things. More years go by. Life comes at you harder than any museum can. Your hair streaks with gray. You're in a darkened gallery by yourself with no parents, no date, nobody to be embarrassed in front of. A wooden eagle sits atop a medieval pulpit and on the flat carved sides are multiple small church interiors and this is terrifying for reasons you cannot grasp. You look at it for as long as you can stand before fleeing, at a mature walking pace, stepping out into the atrium where the light of the sunset casts down on marble American statues and a fountain and you sit a while.
Let the Skyforge, let the sky fall
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is only the "lighthouse instance" of a project named . And write.as requires payment AFAIK.I'm on WriteFreely myself. And it's pretty minimalist. WriteFreely doesn't support comments. Not at all. Also, if you want to embed images or other media, you have to host them elsewhere and then hotlink them. WriteFreely doesn't have a built-in file host.
Both may be on the to-do list, but I don't know how high up they are.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #WriteFreely #Write.as Wenn man hauptschlich auf Mastodon ist und sieht, wie ein Nicht-Mastodon-Nutzer angeschnauzt wird, da er geflligst seine Posts auf maximal 500 Zeichen beschrnken oder sich geflligst aus dem Fediverse verpissen soll (ist exakt so passiert), dann sitzt man da, guckt sich das an und amsiert sich.
Das ist aber ganz was anderes, wenn man als Daily Driver etwas anderes als Mastodon nutzt. Wenn man nicht gerade von Mastodon umgestiegen ist. Wenn man womglich schon lnger im Fediverse ist als mindestens 99% aller aktuellen Mastodon-Nutzer. Wenn man von vornherein ganz andere Sachen gewohnt ist als Mastodon.
Und wenn man dann selbst derjenige ist, der angeschnauzt wird, da man mehr als die Hlfte der Features, die man hat, nicht mehr nutzen darf, weil das irgendwelche Mastodon-Nutzer strt. Weil Mastodon diese Features nicht hat bzw. nicht hatte, als die Mastodon-Kultur definiert wurde. Weil diese Features daher in der Mastodon-Kultur nicht vorkommen.
Das ist dann nicht mehr so lustig.
Jemand, der das Fediverse erst kennengelernt hat, indem er aufgrund von Elon Musk von Twitter nach Mastodon abgehauen ist und dann eine ganze Weile glaubte, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon (trifft auf mindestens 60% aller heutigen Fediverse-Nutzer zu), sieht und erlebt das Fediverse ganz anders als jemand, der z. B. seit 2011 durchgngig auf Friendica ist.
Genau solche Leute sind brigens der Grund, warum eine eigentlich ffentliche (streams)-Gruppe, in der ich mit einem anderen Kanal bin, ActivityPub komplett abgeschaltet hat. Man kann sie nur noch von Hubzilla oder (streams) aus nutzen, aber die "Kollateralschden" werden gerne in Kauf genommen dafr, da die ganze Gruppe fr Mastodon-Nutzer unsichtbar und unerreichbar ist.
A propos (streams): Das ist eine von nur zwei Serveranwendungen mit einem adminseitigen User Agent Filter, mit dem man ganze Fediverse-Projekte tutto kompletto aussperren kann. Eingebaut wurde das, um Threads einfach und komplett blockieren zu knnen. Aber es wurde damit beworben, da man als Admin damit auch Mastodon als Ganzes loswerden knnte.
Ich meine, vielleicht sollte der Spie mal umgedreht werden. Ich kenne mindestens einen Friendica-Nutzer, der praktisch jeden sofort sperrt, von dem er einen Thread aus Maximal-500-Zeichen-Schnipseln bekommt. Vielleicht sollten ein paar mehr Nicht-Mastodon-Nutzer diejenigen Mastodon-Nutzer, die das tun, nicht einfach nur stummschalten oder blockieren, sondern anschnauzen, das geflligst in einen Post zu tun.
Vielleicht sollten Friendica-, Hubzilla-, (streams)- und Forte-Nutzer auch solche Mastodon-Nutzer anschnauzen, die das Zusammenfassungsfeld fr Inhaltswarnungen mibrauchen. Vor allem, wenn sie nicht statt dessen Schlsselwrter oder Hashtags einbauen, die leserseitig generierte Inhaltswarnungen auslsen. Oder die Erwhnungen "spammen", weil man aus deren Sicht nie mehr als eine oder hchstens mal zwei Erwhnungen braucht.
Rechtfertigung dafr: "Wir waren zuerst hier."
Ich wre echt mal neugierig, wie die Mastodon-Nutzer darauf reagieren.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #MastoHOA #MastodonHOA #FediHOA #FediverseHOA Richtig. Das sind die Leute, die erzwingen wollen, da das Fediverse zu einer Kombination aus dem wird, wie Twitter-Flchtlinge 2022 das Fediverse wahrgenommen haben, und dem, wie sie es gerne htten.
Erstens heit das: nur Mastodon. So, wie es aus ihrer Sicht 2022 noch war. Die ganzen Nicht-Mastodon-"Eindringlinge" haben sich aus dem Fediverse zu verpissen. Alle von Pixelfed bis hin zu (und ganz besonders) Friendica, das schon mehr als fnf Jahre lnger im Fediverse ist als Mastodon, und mit dem Mastodon sich bei seinem eigenen Start verbunden hat.
Zweitens heit das: nur Vanilla-Mastodon. Keine Instanzen mit ber 500 Zeichen mehr und erst recht keine Forks.
Drittens heit das: Alle haben sich an die Mastodon-Kultur, die Mastodon-Regeln und die Mastodon-Etikette zu halten, die Mitte 2022 von den Twitter-Flchtlingen der ersten Welle um Mastodon 3.x herm definiert wurden. Die, die jetzt neu dazu kommen, haben von der ersten Sekunde an diese Kultur zu leben und zu atmen, oder sie fliegen aus dem Fediverse wieder raus. Und wer vor Februar 2022 auf Mastodon war, hat sich auch an die neue Kultur anzupassen.
Viertens heit das folglich auch: Im ganzen Fediverse steht die Verwendung von Features, die Mastodon 3.x nicht hatte, unter Strafe, weil die in der Mastodon-Kultur nicht vorgesehen sind.
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That is, Fediverse newbies normally land on fairly large and well-known instances. Chances are that they make themselves known on other big instances fairly quickly. So you could try the search on your instance, the directory (unless you're on Hubzilla which doesn't list ActivityPub-based accounts in its directory, only Nomad-based channels) or good old mention auto-complete.
Ideally, however, those who leave a commercial silo should tell their acquaintances where they go. It isn't wise to first delete your Facebook account, then join Friendica and then wait for your old Facebook friends to find you. Also, ideally, they should have more than way of communicating with their more important acquaintances.
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