My old, trusted, vw finally gave
I keep seeing pictures from or related to Second Life and OpenSimulator, 3-D virtual worlds that hardly anyone in the Fediverse is familiar with. And they never have alt-text. No visual description, no text transcripts, nothing. Ever. Except my own ones, but they don't count.
Strangely, I've also never seen anyone complain. Or ask the original poster to add alt-text. Or supply their own alt-text for the original poster to add. Not even once.
Does nobody care about the accessibility of posts about virtual worlds Do those who receive such posts have no intersection with those who demand all media in the Fediverse be described, preferably in sufficient detail Do they never come across virtual world posts
Are all Second Life and/or OpenSim users in the Fediverse so out of touch with Mastodon's culture But at the same time, are those who are familiar with Mastodon's culture and eager to enforce it upon all of Mastodon as well as everything that reaches Mastodon so detached from the Second Life and OpenSim communities
Sure, Second Life and/or OpenSim users tend to exist in their own tiny bubbles with no followers from outside. But while almost all OpenSim users in the Fediverse are on one and the same dedicated Mastodon instance with me being their only connection outside it, Second Life users are all over their place, so their posts do show up in the local timelines of general-purpose instances.
Could it be that Mastodon users only care for the accessibility of posts in their personal timeline, but neither in the local nor in the federated timeline
This doesn't mean I'll stop describing my images, even though I could churn out many many more images if I did. But it might mean that I describe them in vain because nobody cares, and that the many hours invested into the descriptions of what few images I've actually posted were ultimately wasted.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #SecondLife #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #MastodonCulture #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility Hubzilla doesn't have a culture of accessibility at all. It isn't even known which pages or "apps" are accessible in the first place. Besides, the huge majority of my readers are on Mastodon.
What I do is:
I write a fairly short, purely visual description for the alt-text. I do so to satisfy those who absolutely demand there be an image description in the alt-text, no matter if there's already one elsewhere.
Still in the alt-text, this short visual description is followed by a note that says that the actual, fully detailed image description with explanations, text transcripts etc. can be found in the post text. And if you're on Mastodon or a similar Twitter-mimicking microblogging project, the description is in the post text, hidden behind a long post content warning, whereas if you're on Friendica, Hubzilla or (streams), the image description will follow right below the image itself. Or sometimes, when I post multiple images, below the block of embedded images so as not to have a wall of text separate the images.
The alt-text practically always exceeds 800 characters regardless which, I guess, is still much too much for many Mastodon users, also seeing as Hubzilla does not support line feeds in alt-text.
And yes, the actual image description goes into the post itself where hardly any Mastodon user would expect it and where Mastodon's culture sees no place for image descriptions. The post itself is always hidden behing a summary/content warning that reads, "CW: long post (<four or five-digit number> characters" in order to protect those on the official Mastodon mobile app and everyone else on Mastodon who doesn't want to see posts with over 500 characters.
For example, which was three months ago. Fair warning: When I say I write image descriptions that are tens of thousands of characters long, I mean it.
At a bit over 25,000 characters, the description is nowhere near my longest, and while it's the most up-to-date, I found it lacking after posting it already, and I already consider it outdated. If this link opens as a Web page in a browser instead of as a toot in your Mastodon app, then sorry, I can't show you how your Mastodon app renders this post. I could tell you a hashtag under which to find that post, but troet.cafe doesn't know any of my image posts.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta Another interesting question is: What if the image description is in English, but it has to transcribe bits of text in the image that are not in English
Last year, I was in a situation in which I had to transcribe a whole lot of signs in an image. Some were in English. Some were in two or three of these languages: English, Germany, rather broken German, French. Others were in Latin.
When a sign was in English, broken German and French, I started with a 100% verbatim transcript of the English part. Then I wrote a 100% verbatim transcript of the German part, spelling mistakes, grammar errors and all. Then I added an English translation below that's as close to literal as possible. Then I wrote a 100% verbatim transcript of the French part. Then, again, I added an English translation below that's as close to literal as possible.
Of course, screen readers won't necessarily be able to switch languages in the middle of a description. But if 100% verbatim transcripts of everything are required, I give them, no matter what. And if people don't understand them, I give a near-literal translation in addition.
Sorry for not linking to the example, but the image description is hopelessly outdated and a bad example, and it'd probably be at least three times as long today.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Transcript #TranscriptsThings seem to be about to escalate now, but hopefully outside OSW.
That British madcap has attacked another British user in IMs, and he's lying about it in The Box, demanding proof for these attacks, accusing him of being a hacker and threatening to alert the authorities about him.
Upon this, the other Brit has requested the server logs from Satyr Aeon, and it looks like he is actually going to alert the authorities and drag the madcap to court.
The madcap's reaction was the announcement per IM that if this happened, he'd walk into the court room with a gun, kill the other Brit and then shoot himself because he says he has got nothing to lose.
I hope Satyr will provide the logs for this as well. And I halfway expect that madcap to be insane enough to resist arrest and duke it out with the MO19 over this.
Whatever the outcome, I guess nothing will change on OSW itself because the users have take care of stuff themselves.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #OpenSimWorld #Violence #CWViolenceSo how fscked-up is OpenSimWorld with its complete lack of user rules and moderation Yes.
There's a guy with a thousand sock puppet accounts who keeps creating new ones just to attack others and claims to have governmental authorities take care of everything that's going wrong on OSW and in OpenSim in general. Now he has revealed himself to allegedly be British, and he's still implying to have something like the MI6 go against hatespeech on OSW as well as pirated Second Life content in-world.
He's currently duking it out with an good ol', red-blooded, flag-wavin', gun-tote'n all-Amurkin 'Murkin MAGA "patriot" from 'Murkuh who, on a scale from 0 = the most radical Antifa groups to 100 = literally Hitler in 1944, is a solid 500 and insults everyone from 499 downward as a "libtard", who "knows" he can beat anyone in a swearing contest just like 'Murkuh can beat anyone in anything, and who has told me once that he thinks Germans are wimps for not having enough balls to have an ultra-extremist right-wing government.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #OpenSimWorld #USpol #CWUSpol #Libtard #Libtards #MAGA
That's what I mean when I say I write about an extremely obscure niche topic, and I always have a lot to explain for people to get my images.
Unfortunately, the whole topic is probably so special-interest that I have to shove too much down people's throats to give them even only the basics. They might not understand the images either way.
It isn't so much the technology. It doesn't make much of a difference whether Mastodon cuts my 40,000-character image description off at the 1,500-character mark, or whether Hubzilla lets me read only the first 3,500 characters because there's only so much vertical space in my browser window.
The full description goes into the post text either way because it contains explanations that are necessary for people to understand the image, and people e.g. with a severe tremor who can't move a mouse steadily or with a head pointer that they poke around on a keyboard with can't read it when it's in the alt-text because they can't access alt-text.
And when it's in the post text, Mastodon won't cut it off at the 500-character mark and throw the excess 39,500 characters away. If anything, it rejects posts with over 100,000 characters altogether AFAIK.
I know that Pleroma and Akkoma reject posts over 50,000 characters, and I suspect Misskey and the Forkeys to reject even shorter posts. But nobody in my primary audience is on either of these.
The problem is rather the culture. It's a culture that's cultivated on Mastodon and on Mastodon only, that disregards the rest of the Fediverse and how it's different because nobody knows, but that is being forced upon that self-same rest of the Fediverse regardless. If your home instance is connected to Mastodon, you play by Mastodon's unofficial rules or else.
Sad, but true: The rules of one Mastodon instance don't apply to all connected Mastodon instances all the same. They apply to the local timeline, but not to the federated timeline. Other instances may have contradicting rules, and no instance admin is going to enforce rules that apply to other instances, but not their own one.
At the same time, however, Mastodon's overarching unwritten cultural rules do apply to the federated timeline because they apply to all Mastodon instances. And they're forced upon everything that isn't Mastodon all the same.
That's partly because Mastodon users don't even notice when something doesn't come from Mastodon, partly because some of those who do know that the Fediverse is more than Mastodon still believe that everything that isn't Mastodon is either an alternative UI for Mastodon with a couple extra features (Akkoma or Iceshrimp or Friendica is for the Web what Mona or Tusky is for the phone) or bolted onto Mastodon as an add-on otherwise, and it's partly because whoever is the biggest is the boss, and because Mastodon users tend to think Mastodon was there first.
Mastodon's culture includes not only a sufficient description for each image you post, but you're expected to put the full description into the alt-text and only into the alt-text. This comes from adequately describing images in the post text being technically impossible on vanilla Mastodon with only 500 characters minus the actual post text, minus hashtags, minus mentions, minus even content warning.
So for one, Mastodon users expect an image description in the alt-text. That's why I describe each image twice, once with a few hundred characters in the alt-text, once with thousands upon thousands of characters in the post text.
Besides, I expect Mastodon users to be highly irritated when they discover that I've put a detailed image description into the post text rather than into the alt-text where they expect it. Yes, there's an image description in the alt-text. But why is there a longer one in the post text Why isn't the long one in the alt-text where it belongs by Mastodon's standards Why do I refuse to do things like they're done on Mastodon
Okay, so my full image description is too long for alt-text. But why don't I make it shorter then Nobody on Mastodon writes image descriptions that are several thousand characters long. Why don't I write image descriptions like Mastodon users
Also: While Mastodon is fully capable of importing and displaying posts that are tens of thousands of characters long, many many Mastodon users are very opposed to posts longer than 500 characters. They're technically possible, but they're culturally disliked and frowned upon. This mostly applies to those who use the official Mastodon app that can't fold long posts in and expand them if you want to read them, but it isn't limited to those users.
It's another cultural thing: Mastodon cannot post over 500 characters, so Mastodon users aren't used to over 500 characters, so nobody anywhere in the Fediverse must post over 500 characters. Mastodon users actually keep tooting that they want filters which remove everything over 500 characters from their timelines.
And not exactly rarely, they take matters into their own hands. If they spot a post with over 500 characters in their personal timeline, they block the poster upon first strike, but not necessarily without complaining to the user first. Some go as far as doing that when they see a post with over 500 characters in the federated timeline.
In fact, I expect entire Mastodon instances to have blocked non-Mastodon users instance-wide because some local user felt disturbed about their over-500-characters posts and asked the moderation to step in. There may even be instances, not even exactly small ones, that go as far as blocking the entire offending instance.
For these reasons, for me, posting images while having connections all over Mastodon is like treading on raw eggs. I spend 13 hours describing an image in 40,000 characters just to give a casual bystander audience a chance to understand them. I post that thing. A few people may find it helpful. To many, it makes no difference in practice because they don't read my image description. And then there's the unknown number of Mastodon users who take countermeasures or have countermeasures taken by admins/mods because my gargantuan image post disturbs them and/or goes against Mastodon's culture.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #MastodonCulture #500Characters #CharacterLimit #CharacterLimits I'm not even sure if Laconi.ca/StatusNet could quote, much less quote-post. It wanted to be microblogging, and it supported the Twitter API from some point on, but it didn't aim to be a Twitter clone.
As for Friendica or rather Mistpark, I'm convinced it had quote-posts already when it was first released in July, 2010. It didn't try to mimic Twitter either, though, because it was positioned as an alternative to Facebook.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #Laconica #Laconi.ca #StatusNet #Mistpark #Friendika #Friendica On the one hand, there's describing images the Mastodon way. It may range from one-liners to descriptions that almost reach 1,500 characters which are seen as absolutely massive and incredibly detailed. But they always go into the alt-text, explanations included. "Image description" and "alt-text" are mutually synonymous on Mastodon. Nobody ever questions that. After all, posts can contain no more than 500 characters.
However, this is mostly geared towards fairly simple real-life photographs which contain lots of elements that don't have to be described because they're uninteresting, and that don't have to be explained because everyone's fairly familiar with them.
And then there's the attitude that any alt-text is better than no alt-text and the idea that AI can describe any and all pictures well enough or even perfectly already now. The latter, of course, comes from people only using AI on simple real-life photographs or social media screenshots.
Those who are on Mastodon not only see these things as given, but they can't imagine them possibly being any different.
On the other hand, I break all these rules.
For one, here on Hubzilla, I don't have a limit for post text, nor do I have a limit for alt-text which has to be grafted into the post text anyway. That is, alt-text is kind of limited because even Hubzilla can only show so much, and it can't scroll through alt-text. Besides, Mastodon, Misskey and all their mutual forks cut off alt-texts from outside at the 1,500-character mark and permanently discard anything that goes beyond. So alt-text remains limited to 1,500 characters.
But posts remain unlimited. If I put an image description into the post text, I can make it as long as I want to or as I have to. And in fact, explanations don't belong into alt-text. Not everyone can access alt-text, and any information only available in alt-text is inaccessible and therefore lost to those who can't.
That's important because my image descriptions have to go with a whole lot of explanation.
That, in turn, is because the pictures I post are nothing like what you'd normally find on Mastodon.
They aren't real-life photographs. They're renderings from inside 3-D virtual worlds. Extremely obscure 3-D virtual worlds even I'm not talking about VRchat or Roblox. The whole system is known to probably not more than one in 200,000 Fediverse users, and particular places may be known to not even one in a million Fediverse users. Chances are I'm the only one in over ten million Fediverse users who knows that particular place where an image is from.
This means two things.
One, almost nobody who comes across my image posts knows anything about anything in these pictures. They don't get the pictures at all. And blind or visually-impaired users wouldn't even know what what's in the pictures looks like if I told them what's in the pictures.
Two, on the other hand, people could pretty well be interested in them. After all, I'm talking about something that has been referring to itself as a "metaverse" regularly since early 2007. "The Metaverse" is real, it's living, breathing, much to everyone's surprise. It's got nothing to do with Meta Platforms. And there has to be cool stuff in it if it's worth showing in-world pictures.
So people might become so curious about this discovery that they want to know as much as they can. But they know nothing, so they don't get the images in the first place if these images don't come with extensive explanations and descriptions.
This is the main reason why my image descriptions grow so massively long.
And with "massively long", I mean tens of thousands of characters. My most recent example is , and although it's the most up-to-date, I'm not even satisfied with it. Two posts with multiple images each and even longer descriptions for the respectively first one, albeit a bit more out-dated, are and .
As you may be able to see, what I do is: I write a fairly short, purely visual description to have at least some description in the alt-text so nobody can complain that the alt-text doesn't actually describe the image. Also, the alt-text mentions that the actual, more detailed and explanatory image description is in the post text, including where and how to find it. That's because I'd never post something of that length with a summary/content warning, so for users on ActivityPub-based microblogging projects, the full image description is hidden.
Not only has nobody ever done anything like this on Mastodon, but it's completely unimaginable because it isn't even possible on the vast majority of instances. My longest picture post is way longer than 150 Mastodon toots.
This gives me experiences with image descriptions that nobody else has ever made, especially not on Mastodon. Those many Mastodon users who "know" it's set in stone that the Mastodon way is the only way sometimes deserve to read about someone else's completely different point of view.
In fact, this becomes a necessity whenever Mastodon users want to establish image-describing standards that a) only apply to Mastodon with its limitations and b) only apply to the kind of image content that's usually posted on Mastodon, but that'd be completely and utterly incompatible with my images and my way of describing them to the point of rendering my image descriptions invalid.
But there may also be other cases in which I differ from the general Mastodon way of thinking.
Memes, for example. Memes in posts should always be described accordingly and explained if necessary. From this, I deduce that template-based memes require explanations of the templates used. At the same time, I know that the majority of Fediverse users prefers having all information in the same place as the image itself over having to get extra information from another website which, for mobile users, means from a different app.
In summary, this means that template-based memes require explanations that go even beyond KnowYourMeme because KnowYourMeme relies on linking to other pages on the same site, e.g. to explain things like 4chan, SomethingAwful, Wojak, snowclones or advice animals. But since the Fediverse prefers to have it all in one place, all these extra explanations have to be woven into the meme description and explanation specific to this particular meme. Nobody on Mastodon has ever thought of this.
Another example is the recurring talk about describing the automatically-selected image in a Mastodon link preview. It's important to know here that it's next to impossible to tell which image from which link will be picked as the preview image, if any. Also, while Hubzilla has a preview feature for posts in the making, it does not have link previews.
Not only does this mean that the link preview image on Mastodon will have to be identified and described after sending the post, but Hubzilla users will have to go to a Mastodon instance and wait until their images have federated there before they can edit the post and describe the image. This, of course, is a greater effort and takes longer than for Mastodon users who can see the link preview in their own timelines immediately or shortly after posting. In the meantime, the post will spend even more time spreading around Mastodon with no image description, and many many more people will see it without an image description, and they might react accordingly, not expecting an image description to be added rather soon.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta Long
You can stay within the Fediverse, connected to Mastodon, and still have quote-posts. Because the Fediverse is not only Mastodon.
Check out Pleroma or Akkoma or any of the other Pleroma forks. Or Misskey or Firefish or Iceshrimp or Sharkey or any of the other Forkeys. Or Friendica or Hubzilla or (streams). They've all got quote-posts already now, and they can quote-post each other as well as Mastodon. And Mastodon won't be able to stop them.
In fact, both Friendica and Hubzilla have had both quotes and quote-posts long before Mastodon was even made. And they've been federated with Mastodon ever since the moment Mastodon was launched.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ReplyGuy #CWReplyGuy #Mansplaining #CWMansplaining #Fediverse #Mastodon #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Sharkey #Forkey #Forkeys #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedSharesI think I should add some the filter-triggering hashtags #ReplyGuy, #CWReplyGuy, #Mansplaining and #CWMansplaining to my standard repertoire, in case my other filter-triggering hashtags aren't sufficient.
They'd make it 51 characters more likely that I'll also have to add #Long, #LongPost, #CWLong and #CWLongPost because what I've written surpasses the 500-character mark, much to many Mastodon users' chagrin.
#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta Denen ist von dem Augenblick an, wo sie auf Twitter abgeworben wurden, praktisch durchgngig der Arsch gepudert worden. Die sind immer verhtschelt worden, sonst wren sie ja gar nicht erst hier.
Und was sie verlangen, verlangen sie nicht fr Mastodon allgemeinen, sondern ganz speziell fr die Instanz, auf der sie sind. Selbst wenn das mastodon.social ist, wo ihre Interessen denen von hunderttausenden anderen Nutzern kollidieren, die auch nicht umziehen wollen.
Die ganzen Friendica- und Hubzilla-Urgesteine haben allen Grund, darber zu kotzen. Die sind nicht mit lauter Htscheleien von Microblogging fr Doofe per Handy-App auf anderes Micro-Blogging fr Doofe per Handy-App gefhrt worden. Die kamen entweder von Facebook, wo ihnen der Kampf mit den Privacy-Einstellungen zu doof wurde, oder von gar nix.
Die haben sich damals alles selbst draufgeschafft. Am PC. Ohne App, weil's meistens gar keine gab. Ohne Drittwebsites, die ihnen alles erklrt haben. Mit noch nicht mal besonders benutzerfreundlicher Dokumentation, wenn berhaupt. Und mit einem Minimum an fremder Hilfe, wenn berhaupt. Und nicht wenige haben's sogar geschafft bis zum Headless-Miniserver auf Linux-Basis in ihren eigenen vier Wnden.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta
You wouldn't have needed at least some of them.
If you aren't afraid of going onto people's nerves by posting Fediverse content, you don't need #CWFediMeta and #CWFediverseMeta.
And if, without these two and without #Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost, your reply had been under 500 characters, you wouldn't have needed these four either.
Here on Hubzilla, I explicitly have the option to make posts only visible to myself. And that means that even people looking through my posts won't be able to see it, login recognised by OpenWebAuth or not.
"Mutuals only" is possible here, too. I can manually select whom to send a post to. This could be single connections which would amount to a DM with no mention. But it could also be a privacy group.
So I could create an additional privacy group with all my connections in it, at least those posting to whom makes sense, i.e. excluding groups, forums, Lemmy communities, blogs, RSS/Atom feeds etc. And then I could restrict a new post to this privacy group. Again, since this post would not be public, strictly speaking, it would not appear on my wall for all channel visitors to see.
Alternatively, I could set my whole channel to Private. Then none of my posts would be public unless I explicitly made them public. All of them would only be visible to my connections by default.
There are downsides to this, though. First of all, Hubzilla assumes all connections to be either following-only or mutual unless a channel is in a kind of "soapbox mode" that doesn't require new following connections to be manually confirmed. Mastodon's Twitter-esque distinction between "follower" and "followed" does not exist here. This was inherited from Friendica, and Friendica, in turn, mimics Facebook which doesn't have one-sided connections either.
Now, Hubzilla has problems figuring out and displaying whether an ActivityPub connection is following-only or mutual. In practice, however, this isn't a problem: If someone doesn't follow me back, they won't receive that post anyway.
The other downside is that none of the ActivityPub-based projects understand permissions like Hubzilla and (streams) do. Not even Friendica does. So connections via "non-nomadic" protocols understand posts with restricted permissions as DMs that go out to a whole lot of connections. If they don't have a concept of DMs with more than two participants, this makes meaningful discussions impossible.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mutuals #MutualsOnly #Hubzilla
What I suggested is basically Q1, but more specific and following what's actually demanded on Mastodon: an explanation of the meme that doesn't require any further external explanations. In fact, if I were to describe a meme picture nowadays, I'd do it this way.
Also, explanations never go into alt-text and always into the post text body.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta
Das Problem soll einfach so verschwinden, ohne da sich fr sie selbst irgendwas grundlegend ndert.
Beispielsweise BIPoC. Die einzige adquate Lsung fr rassistische Angriffe ist fr sie, wenn die Rassisten alle verschwinden. Entweder von sich aus. Oder wenn sie das nicht tun, dann sollen die Admins und Moderatoren die dauerhaft und komplett wegmachen. Und wenn die das nicht schaffen, dann ist das Fediverse eben scheie. Und dann sind soziale Netzwerke im allgemeinen scheie, weil man ja berall den Rassisten komplett schutzlos ausgeliefert ist. Dann hren sie damit eben ganz auf.
Du kannst ihnen tausendmal sagen, da sie auf (streams) ihre Sicherheit und ihr Wohlergehen in ihre eigenen Hnde nehmen knnen, was im brigen sehr viel besser funktioniert als alles, was Mastodon ihnen bietet. Das interessiert sie aber nicht. Sie wollen das Problem nicht bekmpfen, sie wollen, da das Problem von vornherein nicht da ist.
Von einem privilegierten weien Cishet-Mann lassen sie sich sowieso nichts sagen. Und wie knnen sie sich sicher sein, da (streams), das ja praktisch komplett von privilegierten weien Cishet-Mnnern genutzt wird, nicht auch mit Rassisten voll ist
Das Ganze funktioniert genauso mit Frauen und sexistischen Mnnern oder mit der 2SLGBTQIA+-Community und Homo-/Transphobikern. Solange (streams) keine erfahrenen, kompetenten Nutzer oder gar Admins hat, die schwarz oder schwul oder queer oder auch nur Frauen sind und auf Mastodon fr (streams) Werbung machen knnen, wird sich daran auch nichts ndern. Nur leider verhindert eben der Umstand, da (streams) eine einzige weie Salamiparty ist, seine eigene Beseitigung.
Wenn es wirklich nur eine Frage ist, niemand sonst drauf geantwortet hat, du eine wirklich hilfreiche Antwort schreibst und du dann sofort dafr attackiert wirst, was dir privilegiertem Schwein denn einfiele, kommen wirklich Zweifel auf.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Streams #(streams) #Minderheiten #2SLGBTQIA+ #FLINTA* #BIPoC #Mansplaining #ReplyGuy #ReplyGuys
Das liegt aber oft an der Ahnungslosigkeit der Entwickler.
Erst sind sie von Twitter nach Mastodon gekommen. Dann fanden die das alles ganz toll. Dann haben sie beschlossen, eine App fr iOS oder Android zu entwickeln, weil sie dachten, sowas gibt's noch nicht/zur offiziellen App gibt's keine Alternative.
Weil sie zu dem Zeitpunkt dachten, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon, haben sie die App hart nur gegen Mastodon gebaut. Also nicht nur gegen die Mastodon-API, sondern auch nur unter Bercksichtigung dessen, was Vanilla-Mastodon selbst kann.
Als sie das erste Mal davon hrten, da es im Fediverse auch noch was anderes als Mastodon gibt, war es zu spt. Alleine, um die grundlegendsten Features zu untersttzen, die die *omas und *keys haben, die Mastodon nicht hat, mten sie das halbe Backend und das halbe Frontend komplett umbauen. Und da rede ich noch nicht von so Spen wie Firefishs Antennen oder Sharkeys "Speak like a cat"-Modus.
Deswegen gibt's meines Wissens heute noch Apps, die Textformatierung nur erzeugen knnen, wenn man sich seine Finger an Markdown schmutzig macht, und darstellen berhaupt nicht, weil schon der Einbau der zustzlichen Features von Mastodon 4.x zu aufwendig wre.
Es gibt wohl sogar Apps, die fr "das Fediverse" sind, mit denen es aber unmglich ist, mehr als 500 Zeichen zu posten.
Es ist schon traurig, wenn eine App die Mastodon-API benutzt, es aber trotzdem Glckssache ist, ob sie mit irgendwas funktioniert, was die API auch hat, aber nicht Vanilla-Mastodon ist.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #NichtNurMastodon #Apps #MastodonApps Du kannst doch heutzutage kaum mehr jemandem helfen, der kein weier Cishet-Mann ist.
Und selbst unter denen gibt's Mimosen, die nichts vom Fediverse auerhalb von Mastodon hren wollen oder davon, da es irgendwas gibt, was irgendwas besser kann als Mastodon.
Ich habe hunderte von Mastodon-"Kontakten", aber annhernd null Reichweite. Das kann man sich mal durch den Kopf gehen lassen. Ich schtze, mindestens 250 meiner Kontakte kamen zustande, weil ich einmal einen interessanten Kommentar irgendwo gereplyguyt habe. Weitere 50 kamen zustande, weil ich einmal einen interessanten Post bers Fediverse jenseits von Mastodon geschrieben habe. Noch einmal 100 sind mir nur gefolgt, weil sie neu waren, unbedingt twittermiges Hintergrundrauschen auf ihrer persnlichen Timeline brauchten und allen folgten, die sie in der fderierten Timeline vorfanden.
Von diesen 400 Kontakten hat aber annhernd niemand je mein Profil gelesen oder sich meine anderen Posts oder Kommentare angeguckt. Entweder wuten sie nicht, wie das auf Mastodon geht, oder in ihrer App geht das berhaupt nicht, oder sie sind daran verzweifelt, da Hubzilla sich ganz anders bedient als Mastodon. Entsprechend schnell haben sie mir dann einen Maulkorb verpat, nur weil ich tat, was ich vorher schon getan hatte, was sie aber nicht wuten.
Ob ich also diese Kontakte habe oder peng. Ich glaube ja sowieso, da inzwischen etliche Grids mich shadowgebannt haben, weil ich mich so "unmastodonmig" verhalte, oder gleich den ganzen Hub, wo ich bin, weil da die Moderation nicht so funktioniert, wie man das von groen Mastodon-Instanzen kennt.
Wie es aussieht, wird so manch einer, der im November 2022 nach Mastodon gekommen ist, auch im November 2027 immer noch glauben, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon. Warum Weil diejenigen ausschlielich mit Leuten innerhalb ihrer Bubble kommunizieren, weil alle auerhalb ihrer Bubble Reply Guys sind. Und innerhalb ihrer Bubble wei auch niemand, da das Fediverse mehr ist als Mastodon.
So einiges an Halbwissen wird auch immer unausrottbarer. Nicht nur, da alles im Fediverse, was nicht Mastodon ist, im Prinzip nur ein alternatives grafisches Frontend fr Mastodon mit ansonsten denselben grundlegenden Features ist, sondern auch, da Mastodon berhaupt die einzige perfekte ActivityPub-Implementation ist, da es im Fediverse keine Quote-Posts = Quote-Tweets = Drkos gibt, da Eugen Rochko das CW-Feld erfunden hat, da alles an Bildbeschreibung immer in den Alt-Text gehrt, und da Mastodon der einzig sichere Ort im Fediverse ist.
Ich wrde mal sagen: Viele drangsalierte und verfolgte Minderheiten wren eigentlich auf (streams) noch am besten aufgehoben. Aber es ist schon annhernd unmglich, diesen Leuten berhaupt etwas von (streams) zu erzhlen, weil (streams) eine reine Weie-Cishet-Mnner-Geschichte ist. Zum einen haben (streams)-Nutzer keine Chance, Werbung bei Minoritten zu machen. Zum anderen, weil nicht sowieso schon Minoritten auf (streams) zu Hause sind, gehen andere da auch nicht hin, weil sie sich da unsicher fhlen oder gar ein weiteres angebliches Nazi-Netz wie Pleroma wittern.
Eigentlich htte ich lngst diesen Kanal auf mindestens drei Kanle aufteilen mssen. Einen nur ber virtuelle Welten, was ja eigentlich das Kernthema hier ist. Einen als "Fedi.Tips, aber das Fediverse ist wirklich nicht nur Mastodon", also mit generellen, komplett nicht kontroversen Infoposts. Und einen mit kontroverseren, fr Mastodon-Nutzer unbequemeren Infoposts, als Reply Guy fr Leute, die zeigen, da sie vom Fediverse null Ahnung haben, und fr Kommentare, die Mastodon nicht gut aussehen lassen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Streams #(streams) #Sicherheit #ReplyGuy #ReplyGuys #Mansplaining
The Caribou Grid has shut down unannounced, and its founder, Jeanne Lefavre, has left OpenSim.
I still remember when Caribou was one big 4x4 varsim in Kitely. Much earlier, it used to be in Second Life. It moved a lot over time.
I think it was in 2022 when Caribou moved to ZetaWorlds and was turned into a bunch of 2x2 varsims, waiting to be at least partially redesigned. That wasn't too long after Stark had returned. However, Caribou relocated to OSgrid after Stark had managed to 7-days-per-week event schedule, leaving little room for Caribou's events which partly shared the same audience. I actually wanted to run a shop or two on OSgrid Caribou.
Then, in 2023, Jeanne moved Caribou to its own, brand-new grid. She brought old sims back and started redesigning what was already there, reshaping large parts of the land. Things really looked good. She even married Andron Rae of Neverworld, although that relationship wasn't really built to last, but he kept helping her with the tech. It was only recently that she started posting personal things on OSW.
And now she and Caribou as a whole are gone. I guess all the harassment had become too much.
It makes me wonder what the remaining rest of the Caribou staff will do now. Fortunately, they've got leftover avatars on a whole bunch of grids now.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #Kitely #ZetaWorlds #OSgrid #Neverworld #NeverworldGrid #Caribou #CaribouGrid that Meta's Reality Labs, responsible for Horizons, have made a loss of 3.85 billion dollars in the first quarter of 2024 alone.
Now imagine what OpenSim could have done with that much money. Give itself a thorough overhaul and debugging, even if that means at least a partially rewrite. Hire more developers for that purpose because four spare-time devs can only do so much.
Upgrade from a decades-old OpenGL standard to Vulkan. Implement a new, open-source voice system that doesn't rely on anything external. In fact, develop its own dedicated cross-platform viewer and ensure its on-going development and maintenance, thus facilitating a further split from Second Life. Also, give the Firestorm team its share so they can afford some proper OpenSim-side development.
While we're at it, fund a good alternative to OpenSimWorld, maybe even something that integrates into viewers, as well as the development of the Max bodies and matching accessories.
Dreams would come true. But sorry, old-timers, separating from Second Life won't mean returning to 2011's tech level before there was mesh.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #Horizons #HorizonWorlds #Meta #MetaPlatforms #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds An example for the first bullet point is Mastodon's CW field. It was originally created by repurposing the summary field from the OpenMicroBlog/OStatus standard, and it now repurposes the summary field from the ActivityPub standard.
Friendica and Hubzilla have actually been using that field for summaries since 2010 and 2015 respectively. Mastodon is from 2016 and introduced the CW field in 2017.
However, Mastodon doesn't communicate this repurposing. Instead, it implies that it has invented this field for content warnings. Thus, Mastodon users are easily irritated if someone uses it for summaries because they're on something else than Mastodon, and that field is labelled "summary" where they are.
I'd say that Mastodon's absolute refusal to support any HTML or rich text up until version 4.0 falls under this, too. Even current Mastodon only allows for a tiny subset because going beyond that allegedly wouldn't be microblogging anymore. Everything else is stripped out by Mastodon's "sanitiser", included image embeddings, forcing projects like Friendica or Hubzilla to convert their embedded images into file attachments, only four of which Mastodon accepts.
An example for the second bullet point might become Mastodon's implementation of quote-posts.
There are currently two standards for this. The oldest one is the way Mistpark, now Friendica, did it as early as 2010. Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) still do it this way. It's by putting a verbatim copy of the original post, including links to the original poster and the original post, into your post.
Misskey introduced its own way of quote-posting, namely as a reference to the original post. It's also used by its many forks and forks of forks as well as Pleroma and its forks. At least Hubzilla, (streams) and Threads understand it, and I think so does Friendica.
Nonetheless, Mastodon is expected to not only continue to refuse to support Misskey's way, but also create its own half-proprietary way of quote-posting to which nothing else in the Fediverse will be compatible. On top of that, it will likely include a non-standard, half-proprietary opt-in switch to which the whole rest of the Fediverse won't be compatible either.
Also, the Mastodon API falls under this. After all, ActivityPub works between clients and servers as well. Granted, the wide adoption of the Mastodon API is not unjustified because ActivityPub's C2S definitions are too vague and different from project to project. Still, everything that wants to be compatible with dedicated apps without having its own one is at Mastodon's mercy and at least partly limited to what Mastodon can do.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon (see also ) and its community have been using the term "metaverse" for actually existing 3-D virtual worlds since 2007. Entire grids have carried and still carry that word in their names. I guess that's a start.
For some glances into it, I suggest 's .
Also, , upon whose technology OpenSim is based, refers to itself as a "metaverse" now, too justifiedly because Philip Rosedale was inspired to create it by Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash which coined the term in the first place.
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Das heit, du gehrst auch zu denen, die mit der zweiten Twitter-Flchtlingswelle im November 2022 zu Mastodon gekommen sind und im Mai 2023 noch dachten, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon
Ist jedenfalls sehr viel besser, als jedem sofort blind zu folgen, der einmal was Interessantes postet, ohne sich mal anzugucken, was das fr ein Account/Kanal ist.
Ich glaube, ich mache selbst oft den falschen Eindruck, und Leute folgen mir nur aufgrund eines einzigen schlauen Kommentars, ohne zu wissen, was ich sonst so poste. Wahrscheinlich haben viele mich inzwischen gemutet, weil dann vllig Unerwartetes kam und niemand mit Filtern umgehen kann.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta I think that's difficult because there's no consensus on what all virtual worlds shall be like, and each project is re-inventing existing wheels and trying to be different and individual. It doesn't help that different virtual worlds have different purposes and different UI requirements. What's absolutely essential in one world to make use of its killer features is completely superfluous in another world that neither has nor needs these features. For example, building in-world is a key feature in some worlds and completely unthinkable in others.
But it isn't like the existing wheels are all rosy, at least not to beginners. and worlds based on are pancakes they weren't made for headsets, and I've got my doubts that they'd work on headsets because they can't guarantee a steady 60fps in any given situation. Instead, they're used on run-of-the-mill desktop and laptop computers with 2-D screens.
Second Life's own standard viewer is already slimmed down some, and it's considered a viewer for newbies. At the same time, it receives a lot of criticism for being too complex for newbies who came over from e.g. MMORPGs or VR applications. However, the number one choice of Second Life power users, as well as the most popular viewer for OpenSim, is the , a third-party virtual worlds client that rivals office applications or graphics editors in complexity.
This has often been discussed. But it always boiled down to one point: It's impossible to make a newbie-friendly UI for these worlds by shaving features off the UI if even newbies will require access to these features sooner rather than later.
That step was only logical. Second Life became the first really successful 3-D environment by doing just that: mimicking the real world. I mean, it has been around for 20 years and evolving all the time, making more money per user and month than Facebook, all without spying on its users.
Virtual worlds that resemble the real world are what end users will want. If you launch a "metaverse", and you refuse to offer anything like this because you think it's stupid and backwards-oriented, people will turn their backs on you and join the competition because it offers and advertises just that.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #SecondLife #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #UI Ernstgemeinte Frage (Achtung, jetzt wird's seeeeehr lang): Was macht ihr bei Instanzen, die nicht Mastodon sind und ganz anders funktionieren
Ein Hubzilla-Hub hat z. B. kein . Da mu man sich durch die Hilfe suchen und findet dann und darunter und . Und selbst dann findet ihr keine Regeln, weil die allerwenigsten Hubzilla-Hubs berhaupt welche haben.
brigens hat Hubzilla auch Mastodons Report-Funktion nicht implementiert, so da ihr beim Versuch, Hubzilla-Nutzer ber Standard-Mastodon-Wege bei ihren eigenen Admins zu verpfeifen, nichts erreichen werdet.
Es gibt auch kein . Ich wei nicht mal mit Sicherheit, ob Hubzilla ein Pendant zu Mastodons lokaler Timeline hat. Wenn, dann wre das der Pubstream, der ist aber standardmig und auf den allermeisten Hubs deaktiviert, weil er ebenso standardmig der fderierten Timeline entspricht und nicht moderierbar ist. Auf (streams) kann er auf lokal umgeschaltet werden bei Hubzilla bin ich mir nicht sicher.
Aber jedenfalls gibt's ihn in den allermeisten Fllen schlicht und ergreifend berhaupt nicht. Ihr knnt also nicht sehen, was die Leute auf dem Hub so posten.
Also: keine mastodonmige About-Seite, keine mastodonmigen Regeln, keine lokale Timeline, auerdem ist nichts da, wo es "hingehrt". Und das ist kein Einzelfall, sondern auf Hubzilla normal.
Was macht ihr dann Zuckt ihr mit den Schultern und sagt, das ist dann eben anders als auf Mastodon (weil es genau das ist) Oder blockiert ihr sofort die ganze Instanz, weil er nicht vertrauenserweckend genug wirkt
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla Hubzilla doesn't do that, regardless of where a post or a comment comes from.
However, Mastodon tries to generate a link preview from the first link in every post that comes over from Hubzilla. And Mastodon perceives both mentions and hashtags in posts from Hubzilla as links because they aren't formatted in the same way as on Mastodon itself. So if I were to link to It's FOSS right here, It's FOSS would be safe because Mastodon would probably generate a preview from one of the two mentions.
(streams) does have link previews that must have been introduced at some point since the 2018 Hubzilla-to-Osada fork. But they can be turned off per channel. Still, same behaviour on Mastodon.
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Mastodons Content Warning ist eigentlich das Summary von OStatus und ActivityPub. Meines Wissens hatte Friendica mal ein Feld dafr, das aber entfernt wurde, weil es nicht flexibel genug war, weil die Anforderungen an Zusammenfassungen fr einerseits Twitter und andererseits ganz besonders Mastodon unterschiedlich waren.
Also wird das jetzt mit BBcode-Tags gelst.
Fun fact, und das ist meines Wissens undokumentiert:
Wenn du einem Friendica-Post einen Titel gibst, geht der raus als Article-Type Object, genau wie ein Blogpost. Mastodon zeigt ihn dann nur als Titel, Zusammenfassung und Link zum Original an, genau wie einen Blogpost.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #CW #CWs #CWMeta #ContentWarning #ContentWarnings #ContentWarningMeta #Friendica
Na ja, "unntig" wrde ich das nicht nennen. Man mu bedenken, woher Friendica kommt.
Im Gegensatz zu Mastodon versucht Friendica ja nicht, ein Twitter-Klon zu sein. Es ist eher dafr gedacht, eine Facebook-Alternative zu sein mit Features, die auch Facebook nicht hat.
Es ist auerdem viel lter als Mastodon. Es hat seinen Ursprung im Jahr 2010 da hie es erst noch "Mistpark". Das war eine Zeit, als die Leute noch nicht alles mit Smartphones gemacht haben.
Friendica wollte und will ja auch tauglich sein fr Blogging mit allen Schikanen. 2010 hatten Blogger und auch viele Forennutzer keine Probleme damit, ihre Finger an Markup-Code schmutzig zu machen. Gerade beim Blogging gehrte es einfach dazu, da man in rohem Code schrieb, bis darauf, da es HTML war und Friendica BBcode verwendet. Auerdem war Alt-Text 2010 hchstens ein Thema fr kommerzielle Blogger, auf Friendica eher ein "Knnte man vielleicht mal brauchen"-Gimmick und in sozialen Netzwerken ansonsten gnzlich unbekannt.
Noch ein Unterschied ist, da Bilder auf Mastodon immer Dateianhnge sind, whrend sie auf Friendica auch direkt in Posts eingebettet werden knnen, genau wie in Blogs. Das macht es allerdings unmglich, fr die Bilder jeweils eigene Datenfelder fr Alt-Text und somit vollwertige Eingabefelder dafr im UI vorzusehen. Okay, beim Erstellen von Alt-Text knnte eventuell ein Eingabefeld beim Einbetten von Bildern helfen, aber beim nachtrglichen Bearbeiten wird man in den Code eingreifen mssen.
Auerdem: So, wie Mastodon Friendica und seine Nachfolger seit 2016 behandelt, hat man auf Friendica keine Lust, Mastodon mehr entgegenzukommen als unbedingt notwendig. Das schliet auch UI-Umbauten aus, die dazu dienen, "Mastodons Kultur" auf Friendica zu etablieren.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #Friendica Probably mainly those whom Mastodon shits on by
Just go ask anyone on Friendica or Hubzilla or (streams). Especially the guy who created all three and still maintains and advances the latter, Mike Macgirvin .
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon In one sense, Rochko has won, namely the firm tie between "Fediverse" and "Mastodon".
My estimation is that about every other Mastodon user thinks that the Fediverse is only Mastodon, at least when it comes to being non-corporate and actually decentralised. And this actually includes people who have escaped from Twitter immediately after Musk had bought it out, i.e. they've been on Mastodon for a year and a half already. So the only two ways to have another free, open-source, non-corporate, non-commercial, decentralised project in the Fediverse seem to be either to fork Mastodon or to develop one from scratch.
Most of the rest is so firmly tied to Mastodon's UI and Mastodon's UX and Mastodon's way of doing just about everything that, even if they knew what else the Fediverse has to offer right now, they couldn't use it because it doesn't look and feel like Mastodon. Even if about 98% of them use Mastodon through a mobile app.
I mean, why else is hard-forking Mastodon such a huge topic, and moving from Mastodon to Akkoma or the Forkeys or (streams) or something else isn't a topic at all
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #Fork #HardFork Und wenn man die in seinen eigenen Posts alle mit abzudecken versucht, regen sich die Leute darber auf, da man zuviele Hashtags (= mehr als vier) verwendet.
Ich kenne das. Mehr als die Hlfte der Hashtags, die ich verwende, dient auch oder ausschlielich dazu, Filter auszulsen, denn solche Filter, die sogar CWs erzeugen, sind da, wo ich bin, schon ewig Teil der Kultur. Nur hufen die sich dann eben.
Und dann springen nicht nur die im Dreieck, die im Kopf immer noch auf Twitter sind, sondern auch die, die partout keine Posts mit ber 500 Zeichen lesen wollen. Nur sorgen bei mir schon mal die Hashtags fr berlnge und noch einmal, je nach Sprache, 36 oder 62 Zeichen mehr fr vier oder sechs Extra-Hashtags wegen berlnge.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #Filter #FiltersSo I've run until yesterday. The question was whether the Fediverse has quote-posts.
20 users voted for yes, 8 users voted for no.
Of course, this poll wasn't representative. I dare say my "bubble" is more Fediverse-savvy than the average, and I know I had quite a number of voters from Hubzilla and (streams). So the result is greatly skewed towards "yes". And still, 40% of all voters thought the Fediverse had no quote-posts.
This shows how well especially Mastodon users know the Fediverse.
Oh, and by the way: The Fediverse does have quote-posts. Just about everything that isn't Mastodon can quote-post, and it all can even quote-post Mastodon toots with next to zero resistance. And in fact, quote-posts in the Fediverse are about six years older than Mastodon.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares
Okay, basic question: What is your idea of safety
That's because a common implication towards members of minorities who have fled from Twitter to Mastodon is that everything that isn't Mastodon is potentially chock-full of racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, fascist subhumans who are just waiting for their next victim. And Mastodon is the only place guaranteed to be safe for them.
I mean, it's understandable. I guess what they're looking for primarily is a place where there simply is nobody who'd harass them. Guaranteed.
Mastodon appears to be just that to them, what with how welcoming it is in general, and how the vast majority of users is very left-wing. At the same time, they know exactly zilch about the rest of the Fediverse, maybe except a few names they happen to catch. So they don't know if it's safe.
Well, and if someone like me comes along and throws into the room the fact that just about everything in the Fediverse that isn't Mastodon has quote-posts built in, it doesn't exactly make the rest of the Fediverse look sympathetic, now, does it After all, they associate quote-posts with harassment. So what motivation would a Fediverse project have to implement them, seeing as Mastodon has so staunchly refused to do so until recently
So it's a purely pragmatic approach because Mastodon is what your target audience is used to, and you simply don't want them to re-learn everything again
Maybe in combination with taking Mastodon away from the GmbH, the Inc., the self-imposed "this is what microblogging is" restrictions and the "we are the Fediverse" attitude For this part sounds sympathetic if it's done right.
See, I'm looking at the Fediverse differently from most other Fediverse users. I'm looking at it from a mostly technological point of view. Also, my first contact with the Fediverse was not Mastodon. It was Friendika before it was renamed, and that was in 2011. So my experiences are different, especially technological experiences.
When I'm looking for solutions for Fediverse problems, it's only natural that I look beyond Mastodon first and foremost.
And seeing how Mastodon treats the rest of the Fediverse, especially the projects from the years before Mastodon's own launch, I can impossibly not be biased.
Well, I could rattle down the permission settings available on Hubzilla, including which options you have, and then tell you that (streams) goes even beyond that. But I guess that isn't what you want to read either.
If you're looking for a social or cultural solution, I'm not the one to discuss that with.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta And parts of the Fediverse are actually safer than Mastodon or any Mastodon hard-fork could ever hope to be.
That's not because they're devoid of white cishet males, but that's because they've got advanced anti-harassment, anti-stalking, anti-just-about-everything-unpleasant countermeasures that have been developed, advanced, evolved for longer than Mastodon itself, and that go way beyond not only what Mastodon has now, but even what minorities want to have on Mastodon.
Again: Follow Mike Macgirvin . Read what he has to say.
Yes, he's a privileged white cishet male living in a fairly wealthy country with a Western culture. But he's the only one who is working on actually making the Fediverse safer. And he has been successfully doing that since when Eugen Rochko was still a school kid. This guy has been developing software since before Rochko was even born. So I guess it's pretty safe to assume that he is competent and experienced, and he knows what he's doing.
Yes, he holds a grudge against Mastodon. But he also points out that, no, Mastodon is not the safest possible place in the Fediverse.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMetaErschwerend kommt dann ja immer noch dazu, da viele eben nur Mastodon kennen, inklusive smtlicher Techmedien. Auenstehende haben hufig zwar schon von Mastodon gehrt, aber noch nie vom Fediverse, und ansonsten glaubt man vielfach, Mastodon und Fediverse seien ein und dasselbe, 100% deckungsgleich, Threads vielleicht ausgenommen.
Wenn Mastodon jetzt enshittifiziert wird, auch weil in der amerikanischen Mastodon, Inc. ein KI-Datensammler-Shill und eine VC-Heuschrecke sitzen, wo sollen die Leute dann hingehen Threads und Bluesky sind ja noch schlimmer, sowieso.
Klar, du und ich, wir knnten beide stapelweise Alternativen herunterrattern, die allesamt im Fediverse und miteinander und mit Mastodon verbunden sind, und die praktisch durchweg Features haben, von denen man auf Mastodon nur trumt. Teilweise auch Features, die das Vorstellungsvermgen der meisten Mastodon-Nutzer komplett berflgeln. Und viele deiner Kontakte knnten das wahrscheinlich auch.
Aber ich schtze inzwischen, mindestens die Hlfte der Mastodon-Nutzer wei bis heute nicht einmal, da es berhaupt noch etwas anderes im Fediverse gibt als Mastodon. Oder da es berhaupt noch andere dezentrale, unkommerzielle soziale Netzwerke bzw. Microblogging-Projekte gibt. Geschweige denn welche es gibt.
Fr viele ist der Ausweg entweder, zu etwas anderem Kommerziellen zu wechseln, oder soziale Netzwerke ganz zu verlassen. Oder sie ertragen weiterhin zhneknirschend Mastodon, weil's dazu ja keine Alternativen gibt.
Andere scheinen darber nachzudenken, ganz neue Projekte zu starten. Erst gestern lief mir der Post von jemandem ber den Weg, der sich einlesen will ins Thema ActivityPub, vor allem, wie Mastodon es implementiert hat, weil er sein eigenes mastodonartiges Projekt starten will.
Als gbe es so etwas noch nicht.
Und was aktuell ein Riesenthema ist, wenn man dem englischsprachigen Fediverse-Flurfunk folgt: Hard Forks von Mastodon. Also Mastodon, aber es ist nicht von der Mastodon (g)GmbH.
Auch hier fragt man sich: wozu Es gibt tonnenweise Zeugs im Fediverse, das nicht Mastodon ist, nie Mastodon war und besser ist als Mastodon. Aber es gibt eben leider Leute, die knnen nicht ohne Mastodon-UI und Mastodon-UX.
Der Optimist in mir sieht in solchen Hard Forks die Mglichkeit, Mastodon ohne Rochkos Walled-Garden-Politik weiterzuentwickeln und an den Rest des Fediverse anzunhern, statt sich weiterhin oder gar noch mehr dagegen einzumauern. Es gibt zumindest einen Hard-Fork-Untersttzer, der schon fast berall im Fediverse war und ist, von daher ist das nicht ganz unwahrscheinlich.
Aber es gibt auch die, die einfach nur ein Mastodon haben wollen, das nicht mehr unter der Kontrolle der GmbH und der Mastodon, Inc. steht und ein paar Extrafeatures eingebaut bekommt, die die Community haben will. Bei denen wird dann mitunter klar, da ihnen der ganze Rest des Fediverse ziemlich egal ist oder sie gar mit dem Rest des Fediverse nichts zu tun haben wollen.
Am Ende wird es noch mehr Mastodon-Forks geben als jetzt schon. Und wahrscheinlich wird ein einziger Fork, der auf den Rest des Fediverse zugeht, um die Gunst der Mastodon-Nutzer buhlen mit einem ganzen Haufen Forks, die auf den Rest des Fediverse "literarisch keinen Fick geben".
Aber sich dann wundern, wenn Leute auerhalb von Mastodon ein Problem mit Mastodon zu haben scheinen.
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Greetings from a project from before Mastodon that has never had any character limits and thus doesn't have character limits in its culture.
This isn't too atypical in my corner of the Fediverse. It comes from Mastodon not only deliberately limiting itself, but deliberately and apparently intentionally making itself incompatible to the rest of the Fediverse. It even makes its users believe first that Rochko invented the Fediverse, and Mastodon is either the Fediverse proper or the one and only Fediverse standard.
But if there's someone who really holds a grudge, it's Mike. , for example. And I can understand him.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon My first thoughts when I read about the hard-fork plans were just this. If you want stuff in the Fediverse that Mastodon doesn't have, why not use something that already has that stuff After all, my most popular post by far was about just this.
But by reading how and explained their motivation, it looks like this won't be another "Mastodon + xyz" project by people who don't know the Fediverse beyond Mastodon. I mean, tallship is on Hubzilla himself. is on Misskey as well. He's on almost everything.
If anything, it's likely that a hard fork will do away with lock-in measures and open what's essentially Mastodon up to the rest of the Fediverse. The idea is to have something that looks like Mastodon and feels like Mastodon and maybe even has Mastodon in its name, but without Mastodon's product politics and without Mastodon's "We're the Fediverse, full stop" attitude.
As first steps, I've already proposed an indicator for the instance type a post came from (Friendica has it, and I think at least one *key has it) and built-in migration on at least Sharkey's level to facilitate moving away from the original woolly mammoth.
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Strangely, I've also never seen anyone complain. Or ask the original poster to add alt-text. Or supply their own alt-text for the original poster to add. Not even once.
Does nobody care about the accessibility of posts about virtual worlds Do those who receive such posts have no intersection with those who demand all media in the Fediverse be described, preferably in sufficient detail Do they never come across virtual world posts
Are all Second Life and/or OpenSim users in the Fediverse so out of touch with Mastodon's culture But at the same time, are those who are familiar with Mastodon's culture and eager to enforce it upon all of Mastodon as well as everything that reaches Mastodon so detached from the Second Life and OpenSim communities
Sure, Second Life and/or OpenSim users tend to exist in their own tiny bubbles with no followers from outside. But while almost all OpenSim users in the Fediverse are on one and the same dedicated Mastodon instance with me being their only connection outside it, Second Life users are all over their place, so their posts do show up in the local timelines of general-purpose instances.
Could it be that Mastodon users only care for the accessibility of posts in their personal timeline, but neither in the local nor in the federated timeline
This doesn't mean I'll stop describing my images, even though I could churn out many many more images if I did. But it might mean that I describe them in vain because nobody cares, and that the many hours invested into the descriptions of what few images I've actually posted were ultimately wasted.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #SecondLife #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #MastodonCulture #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility Hubzilla doesn't have a culture of accessibility at all. It isn't even known which pages or "apps" are accessible in the first place. Besides, the huge majority of my readers are on Mastodon.
What I do is:
I write a fairly short, purely visual description for the alt-text. I do so to satisfy those who absolutely demand there be an image description in the alt-text, no matter if there's already one elsewhere.
Still in the alt-text, this short visual description is followed by a note that says that the actual, fully detailed image description with explanations, text transcripts etc. can be found in the post text. And if you're on Mastodon or a similar Twitter-mimicking microblogging project, the description is in the post text, hidden behind a long post content warning, whereas if you're on Friendica, Hubzilla or (streams), the image description will follow right below the image itself. Or sometimes, when I post multiple images, below the block of embedded images so as not to have a wall of text separate the images.
The alt-text practically always exceeds 800 characters regardless which, I guess, is still much too much for many Mastodon users, also seeing as Hubzilla does not support line feeds in alt-text.
And yes, the actual image description goes into the post itself where hardly any Mastodon user would expect it and where Mastodon's culture sees no place for image descriptions. The post itself is always hidden behing a summary/content warning that reads, "CW: long post (<four or five-digit number> characters" in order to protect those on the official Mastodon mobile app and everyone else on Mastodon who doesn't want to see posts with over 500 characters.
For example, which was three months ago. Fair warning: When I say I write image descriptions that are tens of thousands of characters long, I mean it.
At a bit over 25,000 characters, the description is nowhere near my longest, and while it's the most up-to-date, I found it lacking after posting it already, and I already consider it outdated. If this link opens as a Web page in a browser instead of as a toot in your Mastodon app, then sorry, I can't show you how your Mastodon app renders this post. I could tell you a hashtag under which to find that post, but troet.cafe doesn't know any of my image posts.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta Another interesting question is: What if the image description is in English, but it has to transcribe bits of text in the image that are not in English
Last year, I was in a situation in which I had to transcribe a whole lot of signs in an image. Some were in English. Some were in two or three of these languages: English, Germany, rather broken German, French. Others were in Latin.
When a sign was in English, broken German and French, I started with a 100% verbatim transcript of the English part. Then I wrote a 100% verbatim transcript of the German part, spelling mistakes, grammar errors and all. Then I added an English translation below that's as close to literal as possible. Then I wrote a 100% verbatim transcript of the French part. Then, again, I added an English translation below that's as close to literal as possible.
Of course, screen readers won't necessarily be able to switch languages in the middle of a description. But if 100% verbatim transcripts of everything are required, I give them, no matter what. And if people don't understand them, I give a near-literal translation in addition.
Sorry for not linking to the example, but the image description is hopelessly outdated and a bad example, and it'd probably be at least three times as long today.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Transcript #TranscriptsThings seem to be about to escalate now, but hopefully outside OSW.
That British madcap has attacked another British user in IMs, and he's lying about it in The Box, demanding proof for these attacks, accusing him of being a hacker and threatening to alert the authorities about him.
Upon this, the other Brit has requested the server logs from Satyr Aeon, and it looks like he is actually going to alert the authorities and drag the madcap to court.
The madcap's reaction was the announcement per IM that if this happened, he'd walk into the court room with a gun, kill the other Brit and then shoot himself because he says he has got nothing to lose.
I hope Satyr will provide the logs for this as well. And I halfway expect that madcap to be insane enough to resist arrest and duke it out with the MO19 over this.
Whatever the outcome, I guess nothing will change on OSW itself because the users have take care of stuff themselves.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #OpenSimWorld #Violence #CWViolenceSo how fscked-up is OpenSimWorld with its complete lack of user rules and moderation Yes.
There's a guy with a thousand sock puppet accounts who keeps creating new ones just to attack others and claims to have governmental authorities take care of everything that's going wrong on OSW and in OpenSim in general. Now he has revealed himself to allegedly be British, and he's still implying to have something like the MI6 go against hatespeech on OSW as well as pirated Second Life content in-world.
He's currently duking it out with an good ol', red-blooded, flag-wavin', gun-tote'n all-Amurkin 'Murkin MAGA "patriot" from 'Murkuh who, on a scale from 0 = the most radical Antifa groups to 100 = literally Hitler in 1944, is a solid 500 and insults everyone from 499 downward as a "libtard", who "knows" he can beat anyone in a swearing contest just like 'Murkuh can beat anyone in anything, and who has told me once that he thinks Germans are wimps for not having enough balls to have an ultra-extremist right-wing government.
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but honestly a lot of it just goes over my head past a certain point.
That's what I mean when I say I write about an extremely obscure niche topic, and I always have a lot to explain for people to get my images.
Unfortunately, the whole topic is probably so special-interest that I have to shove too much down people's throats to give them even only the basics. They might not understand the images either way.
But I do see your frustrations on things like post limits and alt text character limits and such.
It isn't so much the technology. It doesn't make much of a difference whether Mastodon cuts my 40,000-character image description off at the 1,500-character mark, or whether Hubzilla lets me read only the first 3,500 characters because there's only so much vertical space in my browser window.
The full description goes into the post text either way because it contains explanations that are necessary for people to understand the image, and people e.g. with a severe tremor who can't move a mouse steadily or with a head pointer that they poke around on a keyboard with can't read it when it's in the alt-text because they can't access alt-text.
And when it's in the post text, Mastodon won't cut it off at the 500-character mark and throw the excess 39,500 characters away. If anything, it rejects posts with over 100,000 characters altogether AFAIK.
I know that Pleroma and Akkoma reject posts over 50,000 characters, and I suspect Misskey and the Forkeys to reject even shorter posts. But nobody in my primary audience is on either of these.
The problem is rather the culture. It's a culture that's cultivated on Mastodon and on Mastodon only, that disregards the rest of the Fediverse and how it's different because nobody knows, but that is being forced upon that self-same rest of the Fediverse regardless. If your home instance is connected to Mastodon, you play by Mastodon's unofficial rules or else.
Sad, but true: The rules of one Mastodon instance don't apply to all connected Mastodon instances all the same. They apply to the local timeline, but not to the federated timeline. Other instances may have contradicting rules, and no instance admin is going to enforce rules that apply to other instances, but not their own one.
At the same time, however, Mastodon's overarching unwritten cultural rules do apply to the federated timeline because they apply to all Mastodon instances. And they're forced upon everything that isn't Mastodon all the same.
That's partly because Mastodon users don't even notice when something doesn't come from Mastodon, partly because some of those who do know that the Fediverse is more than Mastodon still believe that everything that isn't Mastodon is either an alternative UI for Mastodon with a couple extra features (Akkoma or Iceshrimp or Friendica is for the Web what Mona or Tusky is for the phone) or bolted onto Mastodon as an add-on otherwise, and it's partly because whoever is the biggest is the boss, and because Mastodon users tend to think Mastodon was there first.
Mastodon's culture includes not only a sufficient description for each image you post, but you're expected to put the full description into the alt-text and only into the alt-text. This comes from adequately describing images in the post text being technically impossible on vanilla Mastodon with only 500 characters minus the actual post text, minus hashtags, minus mentions, minus even content warning.
So for one, Mastodon users expect an image description in the alt-text. That's why I describe each image twice, once with a few hundred characters in the alt-text, once with thousands upon thousands of characters in the post text.
Besides, I expect Mastodon users to be highly irritated when they discover that I've put a detailed image description into the post text rather than into the alt-text where they expect it. Yes, there's an image description in the alt-text. But why is there a longer one in the post text Why isn't the long one in the alt-text where it belongs by Mastodon's standards Why do I refuse to do things like they're done on Mastodon
Okay, so my full image description is too long for alt-text. But why don't I make it shorter then Nobody on Mastodon writes image descriptions that are several thousand characters long. Why don't I write image descriptions like Mastodon users
Also: While Mastodon is fully capable of importing and displaying posts that are tens of thousands of characters long, many many Mastodon users are very opposed to posts longer than 500 characters. They're technically possible, but they're culturally disliked and frowned upon. This mostly applies to those who use the official Mastodon app that can't fold long posts in and expand them if you want to read them, but it isn't limited to those users.
It's another cultural thing: Mastodon cannot post over 500 characters, so Mastodon users aren't used to over 500 characters, so nobody anywhere in the Fediverse must post over 500 characters. Mastodon users actually keep tooting that they want filters which remove everything over 500 characters from their timelines.
And not exactly rarely, they take matters into their own hands. If they spot a post with over 500 characters in their personal timeline, they block the poster upon first strike, but not necessarily without complaining to the user first. Some go as far as doing that when they see a post with over 500 characters in the federated timeline.
In fact, I expect entire Mastodon instances to have blocked non-Mastodon users instance-wide because some local user felt disturbed about their over-500-characters posts and asked the moderation to step in. There may even be instances, not even exactly small ones, that go as far as blocking the entire offending instance.
For these reasons, for me, posting images while having connections all over Mastodon is like treading on raw eggs. I spend 13 hours describing an image in 40,000 characters just to give a casual bystander audience a chance to understand them. I post that thing. A few people may find it helpful. To many, it makes no difference in practice because they don't read my image description. And then there's the unknown number of Mastodon users who take countermeasures or have countermeasures taken by admins/mods because my gargantuan image post disturbs them and/or goes against Mastodon's culture.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #MastodonCulture #500Characters #CharacterLimit #CharacterLimits I'm not even sure if Laconi.ca/StatusNet could quote, much less quote-post. It wanted to be microblogging, and it supported the Twitter API from some point on, but it didn't aim to be a Twitter clone.
As for Friendica or rather Mistpark, I'm convinced it had quote-posts already when it was first released in July, 2010. It didn't try to mimic Twitter either, though, because it was positioned as an alternative to Facebook.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #Laconica #Laconi.ca #StatusNet #Mistpark #Friendika #Friendica On the one hand, there's describing images the Mastodon way. It may range from one-liners to descriptions that almost reach 1,500 characters which are seen as absolutely massive and incredibly detailed. But they always go into the alt-text, explanations included. "Image description" and "alt-text" are mutually synonymous on Mastodon. Nobody ever questions that. After all, posts can contain no more than 500 characters.
However, this is mostly geared towards fairly simple real-life photographs which contain lots of elements that don't have to be described because they're uninteresting, and that don't have to be explained because everyone's fairly familiar with them.
And then there's the attitude that any alt-text is better than no alt-text and the idea that AI can describe any and all pictures well enough or even perfectly already now. The latter, of course, comes from people only using AI on simple real-life photographs or social media screenshots.
Those who are on Mastodon not only see these things as given, but they can't imagine them possibly being any different.
On the other hand, I break all these rules.
For one, here on Hubzilla, I don't have a limit for post text, nor do I have a limit for alt-text which has to be grafted into the post text anyway. That is, alt-text is kind of limited because even Hubzilla can only show so much, and it can't scroll through alt-text. Besides, Mastodon, Misskey and all their mutual forks cut off alt-texts from outside at the 1,500-character mark and permanently discard anything that goes beyond. So alt-text remains limited to 1,500 characters.
But posts remain unlimited. If I put an image description into the post text, I can make it as long as I want to or as I have to. And in fact, explanations don't belong into alt-text. Not everyone can access alt-text, and any information only available in alt-text is inaccessible and therefore lost to those who can't.
That's important because my image descriptions have to go with a whole lot of explanation.
That, in turn, is because the pictures I post are nothing like what you'd normally find on Mastodon.
They aren't real-life photographs. They're renderings from inside 3-D virtual worlds. Extremely obscure 3-D virtual worlds even I'm not talking about VRchat or Roblox. The whole system is known to probably not more than one in 200,000 Fediverse users, and particular places may be known to not even one in a million Fediverse users. Chances are I'm the only one in over ten million Fediverse users who knows that particular place where an image is from.
This means two things.
One, almost nobody who comes across my image posts knows anything about anything in these pictures. They don't get the pictures at all. And blind or visually-impaired users wouldn't even know what what's in the pictures looks like if I told them what's in the pictures.
Two, on the other hand, people could pretty well be interested in them. After all, I'm talking about something that has been referring to itself as a "metaverse" regularly since early 2007. "The Metaverse" is real, it's living, breathing, much to everyone's surprise. It's got nothing to do with Meta Platforms. And there has to be cool stuff in it if it's worth showing in-world pictures.
So people might become so curious about this discovery that they want to know as much as they can. But they know nothing, so they don't get the images in the first place if these images don't come with extensive explanations and descriptions.
This is the main reason why my image descriptions grow so massively long.
And with "massively long", I mean tens of thousands of characters. My most recent example is , and although it's the most up-to-date, I'm not even satisfied with it. Two posts with multiple images each and even longer descriptions for the respectively first one, albeit a bit more out-dated, are and .
As you may be able to see, what I do is: I write a fairly short, purely visual description to have at least some description in the alt-text so nobody can complain that the alt-text doesn't actually describe the image. Also, the alt-text mentions that the actual, more detailed and explanatory image description is in the post text, including where and how to find it. That's because I'd never post something of that length with a summary/content warning, so for users on ActivityPub-based microblogging projects, the full image description is hidden.
Not only has nobody ever done anything like this on Mastodon, but it's completely unimaginable because it isn't even possible on the vast majority of instances. My longest picture post is way longer than 150 Mastodon toots.
This gives me experiences with image descriptions that nobody else has ever made, especially not on Mastodon. Those many Mastodon users who "know" it's set in stone that the Mastodon way is the only way sometimes deserve to read about someone else's completely different point of view.
In fact, this becomes a necessity whenever Mastodon users want to establish image-describing standards that a) only apply to Mastodon with its limitations and b) only apply to the kind of image content that's usually posted on Mastodon, but that'd be completely and utterly incompatible with my images and my way of describing them to the point of rendering my image descriptions invalid.
But there may also be other cases in which I differ from the general Mastodon way of thinking.
Memes, for example. Memes in posts should always be described accordingly and explained if necessary. From this, I deduce that template-based memes require explanations of the templates used. At the same time, I know that the majority of Fediverse users prefers having all information in the same place as the image itself over having to get extra information from another website which, for mobile users, means from a different app.
In summary, this means that template-based memes require explanations that go even beyond KnowYourMeme because KnowYourMeme relies on linking to other pages on the same site, e.g. to explain things like 4chan, SomethingAwful, Wojak, snowclones or advice animals. But since the Fediverse prefers to have it all in one place, all these extra explanations have to be woven into the meme description and explanation specific to this particular meme. Nobody on Mastodon has ever thought of this.
Another example is the recurring talk about describing the automatically-selected image in a Mastodon link preview. It's important to know here that it's next to impossible to tell which image from which link will be picked as the preview image, if any. Also, while Hubzilla has a preview feature for posts in the making, it does not have link previews.
Not only does this mean that the link preview image on Mastodon will have to be identified and described after sending the post, but Hubzilla users will have to go to a Mastodon instance and wait until their images have federated there before they can edit the post and describe the image. This, of course, is a greater effort and takes longer than for Mastodon users who can see the link preview in their own timelines immediately or shortly after posting. In the meantime, the post will spend even more time spreading around Mastodon with no image description, and many many more people will see it without an image description, and they might react accordingly, not expecting an image description to be added rather soon.
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You can stay within the Fediverse, connected to Mastodon, and still have quote-posts. Because the Fediverse is not only Mastodon.
Check out Pleroma or Akkoma or any of the other Pleroma forks. Or Misskey or Firefish or Iceshrimp or Sharkey or any of the other Forkeys. Or Friendica or Hubzilla or (streams). They've all got quote-posts already now, and they can quote-post each other as well as Mastodon. And Mastodon won't be able to stop them.
In fact, both Friendica and Hubzilla have had both quotes and quote-posts long before Mastodon was even made. And they've been federated with Mastodon ever since the moment Mastodon was launched.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ReplyGuy #CWReplyGuy #Mansplaining #CWMansplaining #Fediverse #Mastodon #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Sharkey #Forkey #Forkeys #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedSharesI think I should add some the filter-triggering hashtags #ReplyGuy, #CWReplyGuy, #Mansplaining and #CWMansplaining to my standard repertoire, in case my other filter-triggering hashtags aren't sufficient.
They'd make it 51 characters more likely that I'll also have to add #Long, #LongPost, #CWLong and #CWLongPost because what I've written surpasses the 500-character mark, much to many Mastodon users' chagrin.
#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta Denen ist von dem Augenblick an, wo sie auf Twitter abgeworben wurden, praktisch durchgngig der Arsch gepudert worden. Die sind immer verhtschelt worden, sonst wren sie ja gar nicht erst hier.
Und was sie verlangen, verlangen sie nicht fr Mastodon allgemeinen, sondern ganz speziell fr die Instanz, auf der sie sind. Selbst wenn das mastodon.social ist, wo ihre Interessen denen von hunderttausenden anderen Nutzern kollidieren, die auch nicht umziehen wollen.
Die ganzen Friendica- und Hubzilla-Urgesteine haben allen Grund, darber zu kotzen. Die sind nicht mit lauter Htscheleien von Microblogging fr Doofe per Handy-App auf anderes Micro-Blogging fr Doofe per Handy-App gefhrt worden. Die kamen entweder von Facebook, wo ihnen der Kampf mit den Privacy-Einstellungen zu doof wurde, oder von gar nix.
Die haben sich damals alles selbst draufgeschafft. Am PC. Ohne App, weil's meistens gar keine gab. Ohne Drittwebsites, die ihnen alles erklrt haben. Mit noch nicht mal besonders benutzerfreundlicher Dokumentation, wenn berhaupt. Und mit einem Minimum an fremder Hilfe, wenn berhaupt. Und nicht wenige haben's sogar geschafft bis zum Headless-Miniserver auf Linux-Basis in ihren eigenen vier Wnden.
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I'mma just copypasta your hashtag line below )
You wouldn't have needed at least some of them.
If you aren't afraid of going onto people's nerves by posting Fediverse content, you don't need #CWFediMeta and #CWFediverseMeta.
And if, without these two and without #Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost, your reply had been under 500 characters, you wouldn't have needed these four either.
I'mma just copypasta your hashtag line below ) Let's not forget, in parlance: - which arguably, might be the most etymologically correct of all of them, since most (at least masto) posts are 'notes', rather than 'articles'.
And in fact, quote-posts in the Fediverse are about six years older than Mastodon
That might be a good tidbit for Yuki to expand upon in his Fediverse history doc at
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Basically, at least on Mastodon, you can create a post that's visible to "mentioned people only", tag it with a "MutualsOnly" hashtag, and not mention anyone, and only you would see it.
Here on Hubzilla, I explicitly have the option to make posts only visible to myself. And that means that even people looking through my posts won't be able to see it, login recognised by OpenWebAuth or not.
"Mutuals only" is possible here, too. I can manually select whom to send a post to. This could be single connections which would amount to a DM with no mention. But it could also be a privacy group.
So I could create an additional privacy group with all my connections in it, at least those posting to whom makes sense, i.e. excluding groups, forums, Lemmy communities, blogs, RSS/Atom feeds etc. And then I could restrict a new post to this privacy group. Again, since this post would not be public, strictly speaking, it would not appear on my wall for all channel visitors to see.
Alternatively, I could set my whole channel to Private. Then none of my posts would be public unless I explicitly made them public. All of them would only be visible to my connections by default.
There are downsides to this, though. First of all, Hubzilla assumes all connections to be either following-only or mutual unless a channel is in a kind of "soapbox mode" that doesn't require new following connections to be manually confirmed. Mastodon's Twitter-esque distinction between "follower" and "followed" does not exist here. This was inherited from Friendica, and Friendica, in turn, mimics Facebook which doesn't have one-sided connections either.
Now, Hubzilla has problems figuring out and displaying whether an ActivityPub connection is following-only or mutual. In practice, however, this isn't a problem: If someone doesn't follow me back, they won't receive that post anyway.
The other downside is that none of the ActivityPub-based projects understand permissions like Hubzilla and (streams) do. Not even Friendica does. So connections via "non-nomadic" protocols understand posts with restricted permissions as DMs that go out to a whole lot of connections. If they don't have a concept of DMs with more than two participants, this makes meaningful discussions impossible.
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You want verbose explanations (Q1). You want detailed transcripts of all text (Q3). You didn't limit Q2 to what matters within the context of the image.What I suggested is basically Q1, but more specific and following what's actually demanded on Mastodon: an explanation of the meme that doesn't require any further external explanations. In fact, if I were to describe a meme picture nowadays, I'd do it this way.
Also, explanations never go into alt-text and always into the post text body.
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Ich Frage mich, wie will man ein Problem lsen, ohne die mglichen Schritte zu erklren.
Das Problem soll einfach so verschwinden, ohne da sich fr sie selbst irgendwas grundlegend ndert.
Beispielsweise BIPoC. Die einzige adquate Lsung fr rassistische Angriffe ist fr sie, wenn die Rassisten alle verschwinden. Entweder von sich aus. Oder wenn sie das nicht tun, dann sollen die Admins und Moderatoren die dauerhaft und komplett wegmachen. Und wenn die das nicht schaffen, dann ist das Fediverse eben scheie. Und dann sind soziale Netzwerke im allgemeinen scheie, weil man ja berall den Rassisten komplett schutzlos ausgeliefert ist. Dann hren sie damit eben ganz auf.
Du kannst ihnen tausendmal sagen, da sie auf (streams) ihre Sicherheit und ihr Wohlergehen in ihre eigenen Hnde nehmen knnen, was im brigen sehr viel besser funktioniert als alles, was Mastodon ihnen bietet. Das interessiert sie aber nicht. Sie wollen das Problem nicht bekmpfen, sie wollen, da das Problem von vornherein nicht da ist.
Von einem privilegierten weien Cishet-Mann lassen sie sich sowieso nichts sagen. Und wie knnen sie sich sicher sein, da (streams), das ja praktisch komplett von privilegierten weien Cishet-Mnnern genutzt wird, nicht auch mit Rassisten voll ist
Das Ganze funktioniert genauso mit Frauen und sexistischen Mnnern oder mit der 2SLGBTQIA+-Community und Homo-/Transphobikern. Solange (streams) keine erfahrenen, kompetenten Nutzer oder gar Admins hat, die schwarz oder schwul oder queer oder auch nur Frauen sind und auf Mastodon fr (streams) Werbung machen knnen, wird sich daran auch nichts ndern. Nur leider verhindert eben der Umstand, da (streams) eine einzige weie Salamiparty ist, seine eigene Beseitigung.
Die Frage ist nur, will man geholfen werden oder stellt man nur Fallen um mit mglichst viel Geschrei mit dem Finger auf andere zu zeigen
Wenn es wirklich nur eine Frage ist, niemand sonst drauf geantwortet hat, du eine wirklich hilfreiche Antwort schreibst und du dann sofort dafr attackiert wirst, was dir privilegiertem Schwein denn einfiele, kommen wirklich Zweifel auf.
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Aber ja, dann kommen die verschiedenen Apps ins Spiel, die das Fediverse als Twitterspiegel darstellen und da echte Funktionen rauslschen
Das liegt aber oft an der Ahnungslosigkeit der Entwickler.
Erst sind sie von Twitter nach Mastodon gekommen. Dann fanden die das alles ganz toll. Dann haben sie beschlossen, eine App fr iOS oder Android zu entwickeln, weil sie dachten, sowas gibt's noch nicht/zur offiziellen App gibt's keine Alternative.
Weil sie zu dem Zeitpunkt dachten, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon, haben sie die App hart nur gegen Mastodon gebaut. Also nicht nur gegen die Mastodon-API, sondern auch nur unter Bercksichtigung dessen, was Vanilla-Mastodon selbst kann.
Als sie das erste Mal davon hrten, da es im Fediverse auch noch was anderes als Mastodon gibt, war es zu spt. Alleine, um die grundlegendsten Features zu untersttzen, die die *omas und *keys haben, die Mastodon nicht hat, mten sie das halbe Backend und das halbe Frontend komplett umbauen. Und da rede ich noch nicht von so Spen wie Firefishs Antennen oder Sharkeys "Speak like a cat"-Modus.
Deswegen gibt's meines Wissens heute noch Apps, die Textformatierung nur erzeugen knnen, wenn man sich seine Finger an Markdown schmutzig macht, und darstellen berhaupt nicht, weil schon der Einbau der zustzlichen Features von Mastodon 4.x zu aufwendig wre.
Es gibt wohl sogar Apps, die fr "das Fediverse" sind, mit denen es aber unmglich ist, mehr als 500 Zeichen zu posten.
Es ist schon traurig, wenn eine App die Mastodon-API benutzt, es aber trotzdem Glckssache ist, ob sie mit irgendwas funktioniert, was die API auch hat, aber nicht Vanilla-Mastodon ist.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #NichtNurMastodon #Apps #MastodonApps Du kannst doch heutzutage kaum mehr jemandem helfen, der kein weier Cishet-Mann ist.
Und selbst unter denen gibt's Mimosen, die nichts vom Fediverse auerhalb von Mastodon hren wollen oder davon, da es irgendwas gibt, was irgendwas besser kann als Mastodon.
Ich habe hunderte von Mastodon-"Kontakten", aber annhernd null Reichweite. Das kann man sich mal durch den Kopf gehen lassen. Ich schtze, mindestens 250 meiner Kontakte kamen zustande, weil ich einmal einen interessanten Kommentar irgendwo gereplyguyt habe. Weitere 50 kamen zustande, weil ich einmal einen interessanten Post bers Fediverse jenseits von Mastodon geschrieben habe. Noch einmal 100 sind mir nur gefolgt, weil sie neu waren, unbedingt twittermiges Hintergrundrauschen auf ihrer persnlichen Timeline brauchten und allen folgten, die sie in der fderierten Timeline vorfanden.
Von diesen 400 Kontakten hat aber annhernd niemand je mein Profil gelesen oder sich meine anderen Posts oder Kommentare angeguckt. Entweder wuten sie nicht, wie das auf Mastodon geht, oder in ihrer App geht das berhaupt nicht, oder sie sind daran verzweifelt, da Hubzilla sich ganz anders bedient als Mastodon. Entsprechend schnell haben sie mir dann einen Maulkorb verpat, nur weil ich tat, was ich vorher schon getan hatte, was sie aber nicht wuten.
Ob ich also diese Kontakte habe oder peng. Ich glaube ja sowieso, da inzwischen etliche Grids mich shadowgebannt haben, weil ich mich so "unmastodonmig" verhalte, oder gleich den ganzen Hub, wo ich bin, weil da die Moderation nicht so funktioniert, wie man das von groen Mastodon-Instanzen kennt.
Wie es aussieht, wird so manch einer, der im November 2022 nach Mastodon gekommen ist, auch im November 2027 immer noch glauben, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon. Warum Weil diejenigen ausschlielich mit Leuten innerhalb ihrer Bubble kommunizieren, weil alle auerhalb ihrer Bubble Reply Guys sind. Und innerhalb ihrer Bubble wei auch niemand, da das Fediverse mehr ist als Mastodon.
So einiges an Halbwissen wird auch immer unausrottbarer. Nicht nur, da alles im Fediverse, was nicht Mastodon ist, im Prinzip nur ein alternatives grafisches Frontend fr Mastodon mit ansonsten denselben grundlegenden Features ist, sondern auch, da Mastodon berhaupt die einzige perfekte ActivityPub-Implementation ist, da es im Fediverse keine Quote-Posts = Quote-Tweets = Drkos gibt, da Eugen Rochko das CW-Feld erfunden hat, da alles an Bildbeschreibung immer in den Alt-Text gehrt, und da Mastodon der einzig sichere Ort im Fediverse ist.
Ich wrde mal sagen: Viele drangsalierte und verfolgte Minderheiten wren eigentlich auf (streams) noch am besten aufgehoben. Aber es ist schon annhernd unmglich, diesen Leuten berhaupt etwas von (streams) zu erzhlen, weil (streams) eine reine Weie-Cishet-Mnner-Geschichte ist. Zum einen haben (streams)-Nutzer keine Chance, Werbung bei Minoritten zu machen. Zum anderen, weil nicht sowieso schon Minoritten auf (streams) zu Hause sind, gehen andere da auch nicht hin, weil sie sich da unsicher fhlen oder gar ein weiteres angebliches Nazi-Netz wie Pleroma wittern.
Eigentlich htte ich lngst diesen Kanal auf mindestens drei Kanle aufteilen mssen. Einen nur ber virtuelle Welten, was ja eigentlich das Kernthema hier ist. Einen als "Fedi.Tips, aber das Fediverse ist wirklich nicht nur Mastodon", also mit generellen, komplett nicht kontroversen Infoposts. Und einen mit kontroverseren, fr Mastodon-Nutzer unbequemeren Infoposts, als Reply Guy fr Leute, die zeigen, da sie vom Fediverse null Ahnung haben, und fr Kommentare, die Mastodon nicht gut aussehen lassen.
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This just in from The Box on :The Caribou Grid has shut down unannounced, and its founder, Jeanne Lefavre, has left OpenSim.
I still remember when Caribou was one big 4x4 varsim in Kitely. Much earlier, it used to be in Second Life. It moved a lot over time.
I think it was in 2022 when Caribou moved to ZetaWorlds and was turned into a bunch of 2x2 varsims, waiting to be at least partially redesigned. That wasn't too long after Stark had returned. However, Caribou relocated to OSgrid after Stark had managed to 7-days-per-week event schedule, leaving little room for Caribou's events which partly shared the same audience. I actually wanted to run a shop or two on OSgrid Caribou.
Then, in 2023, Jeanne moved Caribou to its own, brand-new grid. She brought old sims back and started redesigning what was already there, reshaping large parts of the land. Things really looked good. She even married Andron Rae of Neverworld, although that relationship wasn't really built to last, but he kept helping her with the tech. It was only recently that she started posting personal things on OSW.
And now she and Caribou as a whole are gone. I guess all the harassment had become too much.
It makes me wonder what the remaining rest of the Caribou staff will do now. Fortunately, they've got leftover avatars on a whole bunch of grids now.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #Kitely #ZetaWorlds #OSgrid #Neverworld #NeverworldGrid #Caribou #CaribouGrid that Meta's Reality Labs, responsible for Horizons, have made a loss of 3.85 billion dollars in the first quarter of 2024 alone.
Now imagine what OpenSim could have done with that much money. Give itself a thorough overhaul and debugging, even if that means at least a partially rewrite. Hire more developers for that purpose because four spare-time devs can only do so much.
Upgrade from a decades-old OpenGL standard to Vulkan. Implement a new, open-source voice system that doesn't rely on anything external. In fact, develop its own dedicated cross-platform viewer and ensure its on-going development and maintenance, thus facilitating a further split from Second Life. Also, give the Firestorm team its share so they can afford some proper OpenSim-side development.
While we're at it, fund a good alternative to OpenSimWorld, maybe even something that integrates into viewers, as well as the development of the Max bodies and matching accessories.
Dreams would come true. But sorry, old-timers, separating from Second Life won't mean returning to 2011's tech level before there was mesh.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #Horizons #HorizonWorlds #Meta #MetaPlatforms #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds An example for the first bullet point is Mastodon's CW field. It was originally created by repurposing the summary field from the OpenMicroBlog/OStatus standard, and it now repurposes the summary field from the ActivityPub standard.
Friendica and Hubzilla have actually been using that field for summaries since 2010 and 2015 respectively. Mastodon is from 2016 and introduced the CW field in 2017.
However, Mastodon doesn't communicate this repurposing. Instead, it implies that it has invented this field for content warnings. Thus, Mastodon users are easily irritated if someone uses it for summaries because they're on something else than Mastodon, and that field is labelled "summary" where they are.
I'd say that Mastodon's absolute refusal to support any HTML or rich text up until version 4.0 falls under this, too. Even current Mastodon only allows for a tiny subset because going beyond that allegedly wouldn't be microblogging anymore. Everything else is stripped out by Mastodon's "sanitiser", included image embeddings, forcing projects like Friendica or Hubzilla to convert their embedded images into file attachments, only four of which Mastodon accepts.
An example for the second bullet point might become Mastodon's implementation of quote-posts.
There are currently two standards for this. The oldest one is the way Mistpark, now Friendica, did it as early as 2010. Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) still do it this way. It's by putting a verbatim copy of the original post, including links to the original poster and the original post, into your post.
Misskey introduced its own way of quote-posting, namely as a reference to the original post. It's also used by its many forks and forks of forks as well as Pleroma and its forks. At least Hubzilla, (streams) and Threads understand it, and I think so does Friendica.
Nonetheless, Mastodon is expected to not only continue to refuse to support Misskey's way, but also create its own half-proprietary way of quote-posting to which nothing else in the Fediverse will be compatible. On top of that, it will likely include a non-standard, half-proprietary opt-in switch to which the whole rest of the Fediverse won't be compatible either.
Also, the Mastodon API falls under this. After all, ActivityPub works between clients and servers as well. Granted, the wide adoption of the Mastodon API is not unjustified because ActivityPub's C2S definitions are too vague and different from project to project. Still, everything that wants to be compatible with dedicated apps without having its own one is at Mastodon's mercy and at least partly limited to what Mastodon can do.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon (see also ) and its community have been using the term "metaverse" for actually existing 3-D virtual worlds since 2007. Entire grids have carried and still carry that word in their names. I guess that's a start.
For some glances into it, I suggest 's .
Also, , upon whose technology OpenSim is based, refers to itself as a "metaverse" now, too justifiedly because Philip Rosedale was inspired to create it by Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash which coined the term in the first place.
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Ganz offen gesagt: Davon lese ich jetzt zum ersten Mal.
Das heit, du gehrst auch zu denen, die mit der zweiten Twitter-Flchtlingswelle im November 2022 zu Mastodon gekommen sind und im Mai 2023 noch dachten, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon
Wenn der Account aber aus einer willkrlichen Zahl-Buchstaben-Folge besteht und offensichtlich beleidigend unterwegs ist, gucke ich gern mal systematischer hin, um mir und meinen Follower*innem so etwas generell vom Leib zu halten.
Ist jedenfalls sehr viel besser, als jedem sofort blind zu folgen, der einmal was Interessantes postet, ohne sich mal anzugucken, was das fr ein Account/Kanal ist.
Ich glaube, ich mache selbst oft den falschen Eindruck, und Leute folgen mir nur aufgrund eines einzigen schlauen Kommentars, ohne zu wissen, was ich sonst so poste. Wahrscheinlich haben viele mich inzwischen gemutet, weil dann vllig Unerwartetes kam und niemand mit Filtern umgehen kann.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta I think that's difficult because there's no consensus on what all virtual worlds shall be like, and each project is re-inventing existing wheels and trying to be different and individual. It doesn't help that different virtual worlds have different purposes and different UI requirements. What's absolutely essential in one world to make use of its killer features is completely superfluous in another world that neither has nor needs these features. For example, building in-world is a key feature in some worlds and completely unthinkable in others.
But it isn't like the existing wheels are all rosy, at least not to beginners. and worlds based on are pancakes they weren't made for headsets, and I've got my doubts that they'd work on headsets because they can't guarantee a steady 60fps in any given situation. Instead, they're used on run-of-the-mill desktop and laptop computers with 2-D screens.
Second Life's own standard viewer is already slimmed down some, and it's considered a viewer for newbies. At the same time, it receives a lot of criticism for being too complex for newbies who came over from e.g. MMORPGs or VR applications. However, the number one choice of Second Life power users, as well as the most popular viewer for OpenSim, is the , a third-party virtual worlds client that rivals office applications or graphics editors in complexity.
This has often been discussed. But it always boiled down to one point: It's impossible to make a newbie-friendly UI for these worlds by shaving features off the UI if even newbies will require access to these features sooner rather than later.
Instead, they've wasted precious time and resources into recreating the real world.
That step was only logical. Second Life became the first really successful 3-D environment by doing just that: mimicking the real world. I mean, it has been around for 20 years and evolving all the time, making more money per user and month than Facebook, all without spying on its users.
Virtual worlds that resemble the real world are what end users will want. If you launch a "metaverse", and you refuse to offer anything like this because you think it's stupid and backwards-oriented, people will turn their backs on you and join the competition because it offers and advertises just that.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #SecondLife #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #UI Ernstgemeinte Frage (Achtung, jetzt wird's seeeeehr lang): Was macht ihr bei Instanzen, die nicht Mastodon sind und ganz anders funktionieren
Ein Hubzilla-Hub hat z. B. kein . Da mu man sich durch die Hilfe suchen und findet dann und darunter und . Und selbst dann findet ihr keine Regeln, weil die allerwenigsten Hubzilla-Hubs berhaupt welche haben.
brigens hat Hubzilla auch Mastodons Report-Funktion nicht implementiert, so da ihr beim Versuch, Hubzilla-Nutzer ber Standard-Mastodon-Wege bei ihren eigenen Admins zu verpfeifen, nichts erreichen werdet.
Es gibt auch kein . Ich wei nicht mal mit Sicherheit, ob Hubzilla ein Pendant zu Mastodons lokaler Timeline hat. Wenn, dann wre das der Pubstream, der ist aber standardmig und auf den allermeisten Hubs deaktiviert, weil er ebenso standardmig der fderierten Timeline entspricht und nicht moderierbar ist. Auf (streams) kann er auf lokal umgeschaltet werden bei Hubzilla bin ich mir nicht sicher.
Aber jedenfalls gibt's ihn in den allermeisten Fllen schlicht und ergreifend berhaupt nicht. Ihr knnt also nicht sehen, was die Leute auf dem Hub so posten.
Also: keine mastodonmige About-Seite, keine mastodonmigen Regeln, keine lokale Timeline, auerdem ist nichts da, wo es "hingehrt". Und das ist kein Einzelfall, sondern auf Hubzilla normal.
Was macht ihr dann Zuckt ihr mit den Schultern und sagt, das ist dann eben anders als auf Mastodon (weil es genau das ist) Oder blockiert ihr sofort die ganze Instanz, weil er nicht vertrauenserweckend genug wirkt
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla Hubzilla doesn't do that, regardless of where a post or a comment comes from.
However, Mastodon tries to generate a link preview from the first link in every post that comes over from Hubzilla. And Mastodon perceives both mentions and hashtags in posts from Hubzilla as links because they aren't formatted in the same way as on Mastodon itself. So if I were to link to It's FOSS right here, It's FOSS would be safe because Mastodon would probably generate a preview from one of the two mentions.
(streams) does have link previews that must have been introduced at some point since the 2018 Hubzilla-to-Osada fork. But they can be turned off per channel. Still, same behaviour on Mastodon.
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Und einen Post mit einer Content Warning auszustatten sollte wohl auch irgendwie gehen, aber ich bin noch nicht drauf gekommen.
Mastodons Content Warning ist eigentlich das Summary von OStatus und ActivityPub. Meines Wissens hatte Friendica mal ein Feld dafr, das aber entfernt wurde, weil es nicht flexibel genug war, weil die Anforderungen an Zusammenfassungen fr einerseits Twitter und andererseits ganz besonders Mastodon unterschiedlich waren.
Also wird das jetzt mit BBcode-Tags gelst.
abstractHier die Content Warning eintragen/abstract erzeugt eine Zusammenfassung/Content Warning fr alle irgendwie kompatiblen Kontakte.abstract=apubHier die Content Warning eintragen/abstract erzeugt eine Zusammenfassung/Content Warning nur fr Kontakte ber ActivityPub. Wenn du keine Verbindung zu Twitter hast, spielt das fr dich keine Rolle, und nach Diaspora* gehen eh keine Zusammenfassungen raus.Der zweite Ansatz es fr macroblogging zu nutzen ist auch irgendwie unsinnig fr mich.
Fun fact, und das ist meines Wissens undokumentiert:
Wenn du einem Friendica-Post einen Titel gibst, geht der raus als Article-Type Object, genau wie ein Blogpost. Mastodon zeigt ihn dann nur als Titel, Zusammenfassung und Link zum Original an, genau wie einen Blogpost.
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Auf der Weboberflche ist es unntig kompliziert einen Alt-Text an ein Foto ran zu heften.
Na ja, "unntig" wrde ich das nicht nennen. Man mu bedenken, woher Friendica kommt.
Im Gegensatz zu Mastodon versucht Friendica ja nicht, ein Twitter-Klon zu sein. Es ist eher dafr gedacht, eine Facebook-Alternative zu sein mit Features, die auch Facebook nicht hat.
Es ist auerdem viel lter als Mastodon. Es hat seinen Ursprung im Jahr 2010 da hie es erst noch "Mistpark". Das war eine Zeit, als die Leute noch nicht alles mit Smartphones gemacht haben.
Friendica wollte und will ja auch tauglich sein fr Blogging mit allen Schikanen. 2010 hatten Blogger und auch viele Forennutzer keine Probleme damit, ihre Finger an Markup-Code schmutzig zu machen. Gerade beim Blogging gehrte es einfach dazu, da man in rohem Code schrieb, bis darauf, da es HTML war und Friendica BBcode verwendet. Auerdem war Alt-Text 2010 hchstens ein Thema fr kommerzielle Blogger, auf Friendica eher ein "Knnte man vielleicht mal brauchen"-Gimmick und in sozialen Netzwerken ansonsten gnzlich unbekannt.
Noch ein Unterschied ist, da Bilder auf Mastodon immer Dateianhnge sind, whrend sie auf Friendica auch direkt in Posts eingebettet werden knnen, genau wie in Blogs. Das macht es allerdings unmglich, fr die Bilder jeweils eigene Datenfelder fr Alt-Text und somit vollwertige Eingabefelder dafr im UI vorzusehen. Okay, beim Erstellen von Alt-Text knnte eventuell ein Eingabefeld beim Einbetten von Bildern helfen, aber beim nachtrglichen Bearbeiten wird man in den Code eingreifen mssen.
Auerdem: So, wie Mastodon Friendica und seine Nachfolger seit 2016 behandelt, hat man auf Friendica keine Lust, Mastodon mehr entgegenzukommen als unbedingt notwendig. Das schliet auch UI-Umbauten aus, die dazu dienen, "Mastodons Kultur" auf Friendica zu etablieren.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #Friendica Probably mainly those whom Mastodon shits on by
- ignoring existing standards
- re-inventing stuff that already exists in the Fediverse, but re-inventing it in an incompatible way to what already exists
- forcing its own ways upon them, no matter how much different they are from Mastodon, no matter if they've been in the Fediverse before Mastodon
- at the same time, making everyone on Mastodon believe that Mastodon is either the one and only Fediverse gold standard or the Fediverse proper
- thus fostering a culture that's built around Mastodon, but that forces itself upon the whole Fediverse to the point of trying to displace existing, differing cultures in other places
Just go ask anyone on Friendica or Hubzilla or (streams). Especially the guy who created all three and still maintains and advances the latter, Mike Macgirvin .
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon In one sense, Rochko has won, namely the firm tie between "Fediverse" and "Mastodon".
My estimation is that about every other Mastodon user thinks that the Fediverse is only Mastodon, at least when it comes to being non-corporate and actually decentralised. And this actually includes people who have escaped from Twitter immediately after Musk had bought it out, i.e. they've been on Mastodon for a year and a half already. So the only two ways to have another free, open-source, non-corporate, non-commercial, decentralised project in the Fediverse seem to be either to fork Mastodon or to develop one from scratch.
Most of the rest is so firmly tied to Mastodon's UI and Mastodon's UX and Mastodon's way of doing just about everything that, even if they knew what else the Fediverse has to offer right now, they couldn't use it because it doesn't look and feel like Mastodon. Even if about 98% of them use Mastodon through a mobile app.
I mean, why else is hard-forking Mastodon such a huge topic, and moving from Mastodon to Akkoma or the Forkeys or (streams) or something else isn't a topic at all
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #Fork #HardFork Und wenn man die in seinen eigenen Posts alle mit abzudecken versucht, regen sich die Leute darber auf, da man zuviele Hashtags (= mehr als vier) verwendet.
Ich kenne das. Mehr als die Hlfte der Hashtags, die ich verwende, dient auch oder ausschlielich dazu, Filter auszulsen, denn solche Filter, die sogar CWs erzeugen, sind da, wo ich bin, schon ewig Teil der Kultur. Nur hufen die sich dann eben.
Und dann springen nicht nur die im Dreieck, die im Kopf immer noch auf Twitter sind, sondern auch die, die partout keine Posts mit ber 500 Zeichen lesen wollen. Nur sorgen bei mir schon mal die Hashtags fr berlnge und noch einmal, je nach Sprache, 36 oder 62 Zeichen mehr fr vier oder sechs Extra-Hashtags wegen berlnge.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #Filter #FiltersSo I've run until yesterday. The question was whether the Fediverse has quote-posts.
20 users voted for yes, 8 users voted for no.
Of course, this poll wasn't representative. I dare say my "bubble" is more Fediverse-savvy than the average, and I know I had quite a number of voters from Hubzilla and (streams). So the result is greatly skewed towards "yes". And still, 40% of all voters thought the Fediverse had no quote-posts.
This shows how well especially Mastodon users know the Fediverse.
Oh, and by the way: The Fediverse does have quote-posts. Just about everything that isn't Mastodon can quote-post, and it all can even quote-post Mastodon toots with next to zero resistance. And in fact, quote-posts in the Fediverse are about six years older than Mastodon.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares
This is hypothetical, as you cannot say what is safe or not for people like me.
Okay, basic question: What is your idea of safety
And I did not say Mastodon was the safest. What I did say is that I understand why people are hesitant to explore the larger fedi.
That's because a common implication towards members of minorities who have fled from Twitter to Mastodon is that everything that isn't Mastodon is potentially chock-full of racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, fascist subhumans who are just waiting for their next victim. And Mastodon is the only place guaranteed to be safe for them.
I mean, it's understandable. I guess what they're looking for primarily is a place where there simply is nobody who'd harass them. Guaranteed.
Mastodon appears to be just that to them, what with how welcoming it is in general, and how the vast majority of users is very left-wing. At the same time, they know exactly zilch about the rest of the Fediverse, maybe except a few names they happen to catch. So they don't know if it's safe.
Well, and if someone like me comes along and throws into the room the fact that just about everything in the Fediverse that isn't Mastodon has quote-posts built in, it doesn't exactly make the rest of the Fediverse look sympathetic, now, does it After all, they associate quote-posts with harassment. So what motivation would a Fediverse project have to implement them, seeing as Mastodon has so staunchly refused to do so until recently
I'm open to whatever, but your anger towards Mastodon is of no interest to me as I have no loyalty to it.
So it's a purely pragmatic approach because Mastodon is what your target audience is used to, and you simply don't want them to re-learn everything again
Maybe in combination with taking Mastodon away from the GmbH, the Inc., the self-imposed "this is what microblogging is" restrictions and the "we are the Fediverse" attitude For this part sounds sympathetic if it's done right.
See, I'm looking at the Fediverse differently from most other Fediverse users. I'm looking at it from a mostly technological point of view. Also, my first contact with the Fediverse was not Mastodon. It was Friendika before it was renamed, and that was in 2011. So my experiences are different, especially technological experiences.
When I'm looking for solutions for Fediverse problems, it's only natural that I look beyond Mastodon first and foremost.
And seeing how Mastodon treats the rest of the Fediverse, especially the projects from the years before Mastodon's own launch, I can impossibly not be biased.
And that's a poor way of showing how your part of the fedi is allegedly safer.
Well, I could rattle down the permission settings available on Hubzilla, including which options you have, and then tell you that (streams) goes even beyond that. But I guess that isn't what you want to read either.
If you're looking for a social or cultural solution, I'm not the one to discuss that with.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta And parts of the Fediverse are actually safer than Mastodon or any Mastodon hard-fork could ever hope to be.
That's not because they're devoid of white cishet males, but that's because they've got advanced anti-harassment, anti-stalking, anti-just-about-everything-unpleasant countermeasures that have been developed, advanced, evolved for longer than Mastodon itself, and that go way beyond not only what Mastodon has now, but even what minorities want to have on Mastodon.
Again: Follow Mike Macgirvin . Read what he has to say.
Yes, he's a privileged white cishet male living in a fairly wealthy country with a Western culture. But he's the only one who is working on actually making the Fediverse safer. And he has been successfully doing that since when Eugen Rochko was still a school kid. This guy has been developing software since before Rochko was even born. So I guess it's pretty safe to assume that he is competent and experienced, and he knows what he's doing.
Yes, he holds a grudge against Mastodon. But he also points out that, no, Mastodon is not the safest possible place in the Fediverse.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMetaErschwerend kommt dann ja immer noch dazu, da viele eben nur Mastodon kennen, inklusive smtlicher Techmedien. Auenstehende haben hufig zwar schon von Mastodon gehrt, aber noch nie vom Fediverse, und ansonsten glaubt man vielfach, Mastodon und Fediverse seien ein und dasselbe, 100% deckungsgleich, Threads vielleicht ausgenommen.
Wenn Mastodon jetzt enshittifiziert wird, auch weil in der amerikanischen Mastodon, Inc. ein KI-Datensammler-Shill und eine VC-Heuschrecke sitzen, wo sollen die Leute dann hingehen Threads und Bluesky sind ja noch schlimmer, sowieso.
Klar, du und ich, wir knnten beide stapelweise Alternativen herunterrattern, die allesamt im Fediverse und miteinander und mit Mastodon verbunden sind, und die praktisch durchweg Features haben, von denen man auf Mastodon nur trumt. Teilweise auch Features, die das Vorstellungsvermgen der meisten Mastodon-Nutzer komplett berflgeln. Und viele deiner Kontakte knnten das wahrscheinlich auch.
Aber ich schtze inzwischen, mindestens die Hlfte der Mastodon-Nutzer wei bis heute nicht einmal, da es berhaupt noch etwas anderes im Fediverse gibt als Mastodon. Oder da es berhaupt noch andere dezentrale, unkommerzielle soziale Netzwerke bzw. Microblogging-Projekte gibt. Geschweige denn welche es gibt.
Fr viele ist der Ausweg entweder, zu etwas anderem Kommerziellen zu wechseln, oder soziale Netzwerke ganz zu verlassen. Oder sie ertragen weiterhin zhneknirschend Mastodon, weil's dazu ja keine Alternativen gibt.
Andere scheinen darber nachzudenken, ganz neue Projekte zu starten. Erst gestern lief mir der Post von jemandem ber den Weg, der sich einlesen will ins Thema ActivityPub, vor allem, wie Mastodon es implementiert hat, weil er sein eigenes mastodonartiges Projekt starten will.
Als gbe es so etwas noch nicht.
Und was aktuell ein Riesenthema ist, wenn man dem englischsprachigen Fediverse-Flurfunk folgt: Hard Forks von Mastodon. Also Mastodon, aber es ist nicht von der Mastodon (g)GmbH.
Auch hier fragt man sich: wozu Es gibt tonnenweise Zeugs im Fediverse, das nicht Mastodon ist, nie Mastodon war und besser ist als Mastodon. Aber es gibt eben leider Leute, die knnen nicht ohne Mastodon-UI und Mastodon-UX.
Der Optimist in mir sieht in solchen Hard Forks die Mglichkeit, Mastodon ohne Rochkos Walled-Garden-Politik weiterzuentwickeln und an den Rest des Fediverse anzunhern, statt sich weiterhin oder gar noch mehr dagegen einzumauern. Es gibt zumindest einen Hard-Fork-Untersttzer, der schon fast berall im Fediverse war und ist, von daher ist das nicht ganz unwahrscheinlich.
Aber es gibt auch die, die einfach nur ein Mastodon haben wollen, das nicht mehr unter der Kontrolle der GmbH und der Mastodon, Inc. steht und ein paar Extrafeatures eingebaut bekommt, die die Community haben will. Bei denen wird dann mitunter klar, da ihnen der ganze Rest des Fediverse ziemlich egal ist oder sie gar mit dem Rest des Fediverse nichts zu tun haben wollen.
Am Ende wird es noch mehr Mastodon-Forks geben als jetzt schon. Und wahrscheinlich wird ein einziger Fork, der auf den Rest des Fediverse zugeht, um die Gunst der Mastodon-Nutzer buhlen mit einem ganzen Haufen Forks, die auf den Rest des Fediverse "literarisch keinen Fick geben".
Aber sich dann wundern, wenn Leute auerhalb von Mastodon ein Problem mit Mastodon zu haben scheinen.
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Ha, well don't you have a lot to say
Greetings from a project from before Mastodon that has never had any character limits and thus doesn't have character limits in its culture.
You seem to have a grudge against Mastodon
This isn't too atypical in my corner of the Fediverse. It comes from Mastodon not only deliberately limiting itself, but deliberately and apparently intentionally making itself incompatible to the rest of the Fediverse. It even makes its users believe first that Rochko invented the Fediverse, and Mastodon is either the Fediverse proper or the one and only Fediverse standard.
But if there's someone who really holds a grudge, it's Mike. , for example. And I can understand him.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon My first thoughts when I read about the hard-fork plans were just this. If you want stuff in the Fediverse that Mastodon doesn't have, why not use something that already has that stuff After all, my most popular post by far was about just this.
But by reading how and explained their motivation, it looks like this won't be another "Mastodon + xyz" project by people who don't know the Fediverse beyond Mastodon. I mean, tallship is on Hubzilla himself. is on Misskey as well. He's on almost everything.
If anything, it's likely that a hard fork will do away with lock-in measures and open what's essentially Mastodon up to the rest of the Fediverse. The idea is to have something that looks like Mastodon and feels like Mastodon and maybe even has Mastodon in its name, but without Mastodon's product politics and without Mastodon's "We're the Fediverse, full stop" attitude.
As first steps, I've already proposed an indicator for the instance type a post came from (Friendica has it, and I think at least one *key has it) and built-in migration on at least Sharkey's level to facilitate moving away from the original woolly mammoth.
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