Hoe mensen oude dingen long tijd geleden hebben bekeken
Hey allemaal, het is Schildje de schildpad hier! Vandaag gaan we het hebben over hoe mensen in het verleden naar oude dingen keken. Het is echt interessant om te zien hoe onze voorouders hun gesch...
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Well, either Bluesky had the same mindset as Diaspora* back then. Be decentralised internally, but a walled garden towards the outside world. Diaspora* would still be isolated without Friendica's tedious work back in the day, and Bluesky wants to be the same. Yes, with not even only a public API, but laying the whole protocol open.
Either that, or Bluesky just wanted to draw some attention to itself in the wake of the Mastodon hype and therefore announced decentralisation, albeit with its own protocol. And with features on top which they imply having invented, but which have been around since 2011 (Zot protocol). "Bluesky is Twitter without Musk, it'll be decentralised like Mastodon, and it'll have better decentralisation than Mastodon!" Only that they've now discovered that actually going all the way in decentralisation as announced is a) difficult and b) not worth it anyway, considering Bluesky's success without decentralisation. Unless, of course, this has all been a ruse to begin with, and Bluesky has never intended to go full decentral.
Also, it's obvious that, like Threads, Bluesky doesn't know anything about the Fediverse beyond Mastodon. If they did, they would have also known: If they lay their protocol open, some third party
will make use of it. And if Friendica can federate with something, it probably will, because that's part of what it stands for.
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Bluesky Long I mean, Stark is kind of similar. Stark Islands have only got one event sim, but that's a 2x2 var with over a dozen potential event locations strewn about. Some of them can't be seen from the landing-point, and none of them is directly at the landing-point.
Some are inside buildings, especially around the landing-point. One is even in a cave behind scripted doors that's quite far away from the landing-point, and getting there the natural way has become more difficult since the waterway was cut through the main island.
This only works because Niki offers everyone who teleports into Stark during an event a teleport to where she is.
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Events My estimation:
95% of the people in this thread don't know how the Fediverse works, even though most of them claim otherwise. They "know" that Bluesky can and will use the bridge to immediately scrape
all data from
all Mastodon instances except for those that have blocked the bridge. Something that even Mastodon's own search features can't do.
And they believe that the Fediverse only consists of stuff that runs on ActivityPub.
60% think the Fediverse is only Mastodon for as long as Threads isn't fully federated.
55% want the Fediverse to be only Mastodon again. Only that the Fediverse has never been only Mastodon at any point in the past.
None of these 95% want to learn the truth, and many will attack anyone who tries to tell them.
And the most active commenters amongst the other 5% aren't even on Mastodon, mostly even on projects that aren't based on ActivityPub, and that have been bridged to Mastodon ever since 2016 without
anyone on Mastodon having had a chance to opt out, much less opt in. Namely Friendica and Hubzilla.
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FediverseIsNotMastodon So I guess you're one of those who have joined Mastodon in the second Twitter migration wave in November 2022, and who still "know" that the Fediverse is only Mastodon. Their nice and cosy and fluffy Mastodon.
Well, then I've got a very very uncomfortable and upsetting truth to reveal to you:
The Fediverse is not only Mastodon. It is more than just Mastodon.There's a whole lot more stuff in the Fediverse, and all of it is connected to Mastodon just like Mastodon instances are connected to one another.
For example, there are dozens of other Twitter-like microblogging projects. Mastodon forks such as Glitch or Hometown. Pleroma. Pleroma forks such as Akkoma. Misskey. Dozens of Misskey forks such as Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, Catodon, Hajkey, Meisskey etc.
There are "Reddit clones" like Lemmy or /kbin.
There is the "Instagram clone" Pixelfed.
There is the YouTube stand-in PeerTube.
There is the Twitch stand-in Owncast.
There are the "Medium clones" WriteFreely and Plume.
There is the "Goodreads clone" BookWyrm.
There are the Facebook alternatives Friendica and (streams) as well as Hubzilla which goes well beyond being a Facebook alternative.
And a lot more.
All this is in the Fediverse, and all this is connected to Mastodon, whether you want or not. It's normal. It's intended. It's the very idea behind the Fediverse. And it has
always been the idea behind the Fediverse.
Look at my mentions, how weird they look. Look at my hashtags, how weird they look. Look at this post and how it exceeds 500 characters. Look at my
bold type. Look at my
italics. All stuff that Mastodon can't do.
But how can I possibly do it if Mastodon can't do it
Because I'm not on Mastodon. I'm on Hubzilla. Hubzilla is not a Mastodon instance. Hubzilla is not even a Mastodon fork. Hubzilla is developed completely independently from Mastodon. And Hubzilla is almost a year older than Mastodon. And yet, I can read what you've posted, and I can reply to you.
That's because Hubzilla is part of the Fediverse, just like Mastodon is. And it has always been.
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FediverseIsNotMastodonBut I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of users simply aren't aware of information that may seem completely obvious to you.
Well, I always think I'm aware of what people out there don't know. But even I end up surprised again and again.
Of course, I don't expect a significant number of Mastodon users to know how e.g. Friendica or Hubzilla works. I mean, in order to know that, they would have to be former active users of these projects, and only few people who went there and really got to know them inside-out ever became regular Mastodon users afterwards.
In fact, I guess there are only very few Mastodon users who are aware of ever having come across a post coming from one of these two or (streams). I guess the vast majority of Mastodon users who follow Fediverse News are completely unaware that it's on Friendica.
But the collective hatred against BridgyFed showed me that there must be more people in the Fediverse who don't even know that the Fediverse as it is now is more than Mastodon. That hardly anyone on Mastodon even knows how
Mastodon works. And that even fewer people know that Mastodon is communicating bidirectionally with things that don't use ActivityPub internally already now, much less that it has done so continuously since its own very inception.
To make matters worse, their hatred against everything outside what they perceive as the Fediverse is fuelled by this lack of knowledge.
Maybe it's actually good that hardly anyone on Mastodon knows Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams). Otherwise there'd be enough people to start a hate campaign against these three with the goal to Fediblock them in their entirety. And everyone who tries to tell them that this isn't even possible because it'd be a game of Whack-a-Mole will be hit with loads of F-words in public and death threats via DM.
Or there might even be a campaign to Fediblock everything that isn't vanilla Mastodon to make the Fediverse only Mastodon again. And don't try to tell anyone that the Fediverse has never been only Mastodon at any point in the past, it's just the newbies' perception that it was when they were new.
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FediverseIsNotMastodonScott M. StolzAnd there was a lot of ignorance about how the fediverse actually works (i.e. most didn't know that their posts are already federated beyond Mastodon).
...much less beyond ActivityPub.
Not to mention that a lot of Mastodon users don't understand how Mastodon works. They think it must have a pool of all accounts and all posts and all that somewhere, and the BridgyFed Bluesky bridge will give Bluesky unlimited access to it all.
They also think that Bluesky will be able to post nasty stuff to
everyone, even those who aren't connected to anyone on Bluesky. They think the same about Threads, because in their heads, they're still on Twitter where the secret-sauce algorithm would probably allow for that to happen.
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BlueskyBridge A few corrections here:
"aren't based on ActivityPub" ActivityPub is pretty new in the space, the oldest in the space is Diaspora.
The oldest one is actually OStatus, the protocol behind Laconi.ca/StatusNet/GNU social. It's from 2008. Diaspora* came out in September 2010.
Friendica is native ActivityPub and has a checkbox for native support of Diaspora and OStatus in the admin settings, both of which are older than AP
Friendica is native DFRN. It was launched in July 2010, so it's six years older than Mastodon and eight years older than the ActivityPub standard. Also, Friendica does things internally which AFAIK are still impossible with pure ActivityPub. Like on Hubzilla and (streams) to different degrees, ActivityPub is optional, but I think it's on by default for both nodes and accounts.
"Friendica is already fully federated with Bluesky" Not quite true, especially as Bluesky does not yet federate.
Not by Mastodon standards, but by Friendica standards.
In 2011, Friendica federated with Facebook. I'm not even kidding, it actually did. This federation required a Facebook account which was more or less remote-controlled from Friendica while also mirroring the Facebook friends list and the Facebook timeline into Friendica. But Friendica let this count as full federation. This ended when Facebook changed its TOS for external apps: They were no longer allowed to extract data.
Also, both Friendica and Hubzilla have a Twitter "bridge" to this day. It works the same as the Facebook connection, but it, too, counts as full federation by Friendica and Hubzilla's standards.
At least Friendica is also fully federated with Tumblr by its own standards. This wouldn't be possible without a Tumblr account either.
And the WordPress cross-poster available for both counts as federation, too.
"allegedly "hate-fuelling" Fediverse News is a public group account on Friendica" I haven't seen the claim myself, but the thread above was shared to the Fediverse News Friendica group. Since Groups are kind of a hack in AP (there's no actual group protocol feature), most Mastodon users are completely unfamiliar with them, so they think it's a regular user who's boosting/spamming all the conversation
...which led them into blocking the whole forum or even the entire Friendica node in their fuming rage.
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BlueskyBridge A few corrections here:
"aren't based on ActivityPub" ActivityPub is pretty new in the space, the oldest in the space is Diaspora.
The oldest one is actually OStatus, the protocol behind Laconi.ca/StatusNet/GNU social. It's from 2008. Diaspora* came out in September 2010.
Friendica is native ActivityPub and has a checkbox for native support of Diaspora and OStatus in the admin settings, both of which are older than AP
Friendica is native DFRN. It was launched in July 2010, so it's six years older than Mastodon and eight years older than the ActivityPub standard. Also, Friendica does things internally which AFAIK are still impossible with pure ActivityPub. Like on Hubzilla and (streams) to different degrees, ActivityPub is optional, but I think it's on by default for both nodes and accounts.
"Friendica is already fully federated with Bluesky" Not quite true, especially as Bluesky does not yet federate.
Not by Mastodon standards, but by Friendica standards.
In 2011, Friendica federated with Facebook. I'm not even kidding, it actually did. This federation required a Facebook account which was more or less remote-controlled from Friendica while also mirroring the Facebook friends list and the Facebook timeline into Friendica. But Friendica let this count as full federation. This ended when Facebook changed its TOS for external apps: They were no longer allowed to extract data.
Also, both Friendica and Hubzilla have a Twitter "bridge" to this day. It works the same as the Facebook connection, but it, too, counts as full federation by Friendica and Hubzilla's standards.
At least Friendica is also fully federated with Tumblr by its own standards. This wouldn't be possible without a Tumblr account either.
And the WordPress cross-poster available for both counts as federation, too.
"allegedly "hate-fuelling" Fediverse News is a public group account on Friendica" I haven't seen the claim myself, but the thread above was shared to the Fediverse News Friendica group. Since Groups are kind of a hack in AP (there's no actual group protocol feature), most Mastodon users are completely unfamiliar with them, so they think it's a regular user who's boosting/spamming all the conversation
...which led them into blocking the whole forum or even the entire Friendica node in their fuming rage.
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BlueskyBridgeSince the BridgyFed drama, there might be four more reasons for Mastodon users to want Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) out of the Fediverse. I mean, aside from their usual atrocities like their users writing well over 500 characters, using text formatting, quoting and quote-posting like it's totally normal. Because it is for them. And aside from no instance on any of the three having rules and moderator numbers on par with Mastodon.
One, they aren't based on ActivityPub. They're technically bridged to Mastodon. They're bridged one instance at the time, and the bridge is a plug-in on the instance and therefore part of the project. But still, it isn't that much different from BridgyFed connecting Bluesky to the rest of the Fediverse.
Two, since they aren't based on ActivityPub, they're aliens. Aliens of basically the same kind as Bluesky, only that they've mostly got those features that Mastodon has that Bluesky doesn't. But the BridgyFed drama isn't about Bluesky's features or lack thereof, and it isn't only about Bluesky being commercial either. It's also about Bluesky being too different in technology, functionality and culture. But let me tell you a secret: Bluesky is probably much closer to Mastodon than Hubzilla. I mean, I've already mentioned how Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) users "misbehave" from a Mastodon point of view. You won't see
any of this come from Bluesky anytime soon.
Three, Friendica is already fully federated with Bluesky. It's a feature that was introduced with the latest stable release.
Four, speaking of Friendica, that allegedly "hate-fuelling" Fediverse News is a public group account on Friendica. Only that the user who started that particular thread is on Firefish, and Fediverse News only automatically forwarded what he had posted.
So where's the outrage
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BlueskyBridgeSee also the way some Mastodon users freak out when they first discover the Fediverse isn't only Mastodon.
I mean, look at Friendica and Hubzilla and (streams). All three aren't based on ActivityPub, and yet, they're connected to Mastodon. They have plugins which, technically, are "bridges" for single instances.
Yes, they count as part of what they connect to ActivityPub instead of being third-party, but they work just the same as BridgyFed: They connect something that's completely alien by Mastodon's standards with a different underlying protocol a vastly different culture to Mastodon. And they offer no opt-in for Mastodon users.
It is at this point that the Mastodon users should start questioning whether Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) are actually part of the Fediverse. And if they should be. After all, these there aren't harmless either. They're the sources of atrocities by Mastodon's standards ranging from "quote-tweets" with no chance for Mastodon users to stop them to the freaky stuff Hubzilla and (streams) do with their nomadic identity and Friendica being fully federated with Bluesky already now without even needing BridgyFed.
Oh, and to everyone else: is on Friendica, and I'm on Hubzilla. Nice to see someone else chime in from the far end of the Fediverse.
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BridgyFed Yup, that's another thing. Almost all of those who don't think that the Fediverse is only Mastodon think that the Fediverse was invented with Mastodon, and it was only ActivityPub until right now.
I wonder what they'd say if someone told them that Mastodon is already federated with stuff that a) isn't based on ActivityPub and b) is so much unlike Mastodon, namely Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams). All without their consent, in fact, even without any way of opting in. And opting out would be playing Whack-a-Mole with instances.
A good question for the ActivityPub purists would be: Where does the Fediverse end Is Hubzilla as a whole not part of the Fediverse because it isn't based on ActivityPub Is PubCrawl part of the Fediverse because it's the ActivityPub connector, but the rest of Hubzilla isn't Are the parts of Hubzilla that are exposed to Mastodon through PubCrawl part of the Fediverse, but everything else isn't (That'd mean I might no longer have to write these extensive image descriptions for articles because articles don't federate.) Or is all of Hubzilla part of the Fediverse
I guess many would simply shrug because they only know Hubzilla from hearsay. But let Hubzilla users commit some more "atrocities" by Mastodon's standards, and I guess there'll at least be a very vocal minority that wants all of Hubzilla to be Fediblocked while neither knowing nor caring how that could even be done.
Only that more than half of these "atrocities" plus even worse stuff on top can come from Misskey and the Forkeys just as well, and fairly few people question whether these projects are part of the Fediverse.
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Fediverse What if, the first time someone on Bluesky requests to follow someone on the fediverse via the bridge, the fediverse user gets prompted, X from Bluesky wants to follow you. Are you ok with connecting with Bluesky, maybe via DM. I assume that would still be considered opt in
It's opt-in all right. Not only that, but it's shoved right into the user's face along with the UI controls for opting in or not.
Nobody can claim that they've never heard of it, and that Bluesky has been forced upon them without their knowledge.
Obligatory filter-triggering hashtags:
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BlueskyBridge Nobody asked you whether you wanted your stuff to be exposed to Hubzilla either. And here I am, replying to you from Hubzilla because your comment appeared on my stream without your consent. 500 characters shamelessly exceeded, hard-coded weird hashtags, hard-coded freaky-looking mentions,
text formatting and all.
In fact, himself federated his brand-new Mastodon with Friendica, Hubzilla, GNU social etc. back in 2016 the very moment he fired up the first instance, all without asking aspiring users if they're okay with that and without offering an opt-out in any shape or form. Just by using a protocol that they understood, too.
"We" may refer to the "pure ActivityPub and built around Mastodon" part of the Fediverse. But it's more likely to only mean Mastodon.
And I'm pretty sure that many many more Mastodon users would love to see everything that isn't Mastodon Fediblocked if only they had more exposure to it and knew more about it.
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CWFediverseMetaHigher Risk for Death After Benzodiazepine Discontinuation
Term
By the same logic, Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) wouldn't be part of the Fediverse either.
All three don't use ActivityPub as their main protocol. They connect to ActivityPub through plugins which are not part of the core. So technically speaking, these plugins are part of the Fediverse, but everything else isn't, no matter how much actual ActivityPub code is in (streams)' core.
And all three are projects which, I dare say, not exactly few Mastodon users would love to see Fediblocked in their entirety for being so much different from Mastodon and from the expectations of the Mastodon crowd. Even many more would if only they know what these three are like, and what they can do that Mastodon can't, and how much different their cultures are from Mastodon's.
Anyway, if the Fediverse is defined as only projects based only on ActivityPub, the Fediverse doesn't exist since 2008. It came to exist when the very first project adopted ActivityPub as its main and only protocol which certainly wasn't before 2018. It's even debatable whether Mastodon has been part of the Fediverse before it dropped OStatus in 2019.
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CWFediverseMeta What'd be more interesting is not only how many of all Fediverse users are FediPact proponents, but also how many are opponents, how many don't care, and above all,
how many have never even heard of it. You can't expect someone who has just come over from to mastodon.social to have an opinion on this.
Also, different projects, different opinions. I estimate 10% of all Mastodon users would even love to defederate from everything else in the Fediverse that isn't Mastodon because it's so non-Mastodon, and it does freaky stuff that shouldn't exist on Mastodon. At the same time, a large percentage of Friendica users is probably in favour of federating with Threads because Friendica's concept and culture has been about connectivity with everything that moves and then some since 2010.
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FediPactChristophe Cassou, climatologue : En colre contre moi car je prends en pleine figure une forme de navet. Il est maintenant clair que les dcisions et choix qui entravent invitablement la russite dune mtamorphose socitale vers des modes de vie bas-carbone sont pris en conscience & connaissance.
Clment Snchal :
Which grid are you on Wolf Territories
I've just checked. It isn't on the grid list.
Have you simply typed "Wolf Territories Grid" into the grid field If so, then Firestorm can't find it.
Okay, just for you, I've switched my Firestorm to French so I can walk you through correctly adding Wolf Territories to your grid list.
- Click "Viewer" in the top left.
- Open "Prfrences".
- Go to the tab "Opensim".
- There's a field, "Ajouter une nouvelle Grille". Copy-paste
http://grid.wolfterritories.org:8002
into it and click "Ajouter".
- You should now automatically have the following entries:
- Nom de la Grille :
Wolf Territories Grid
- Adresse :
http://grid.wolfterritories.org:8002/
- Adresse de la connexion :
https://www.wolf-grid.com/
- etc.
- Close the preferences window with "OK".
- I recommend you to restart Firestorm to be certain that the new grid entry remains.
If logging in still fails, get into contact with . He's the founder and owner of Wolf Territories.
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WolfTerritoriesGrid You mean Firestorm From the looks of your screenshot, you do.
Which Firestorm are you trying to use The same that you're using for Second Life
Because
you need a special Firestorm for OpenSim. Firestorm for Second Life doesn't work with OpenSim!.
This will not overwrite Firestorm for Second Life. You can have Firestorm for Second Life and Firestorm for OpenSim installed next to each other.
Check in your start menu if there's
a Firestorm entry that has "(OpenSim)" in it. Then start that one.
When you've done that, look at the bottom where you usually enter your credentials for Second Life.
There's a new UI element with "Grid:" next to it. If it isn't there, you've started Firestorm for Second Life. Close it, and start Firestorm for OpenSim.
One thing is important to know about OpenSim:
Your avatar name is not unique for all of OpenSim. It's only unique for the grid you're on. That name can exist on any grid and on many grids at the same time.So if you simply enter your avatar name,
Firestorm can't know which grid you're on because there could be an avatar with your name on each grid.For example, there's a Jupiter Rowland on Dorenas World, and there's also a Jupiter Rowland on OSgrid, and there used to be a Jupiter Rowland on Metropolis. All with exactly the same name.
Okay, so there's that box with "Grid:" next to it. Click the button with the arrow,
and then select "OSgrid" from the list.Then you should be able to log in.
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OpenSimulator Okay, also von Anfang an. Setz dich, das wird jetzt nmlich
BRUTAL lang.
Du willst also alle CWs ausgeklappt haben.
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Es gibt Leute, die fordern CWs fr lange Posts. Also alles ber 500 Zeichen. Und das sind nicht wenige, ich schtze, jeder dritte auf Mastodon.
Vielleicht kratzt du dich jetzt verwirrt am Kopf. Wie, ber 500 Zeichen Mastodon kann nur 500 Zeichen. ber 500 Zeichen gehen doch gar nicht.
Doch, gehen. Es gibt nicht nur Mastodon-Instanzen mit hherem Zeichenlimit, sondern
es gibt im Fediverse auch noch ganz andere Sachen als Mastodon. Das Fediverse ist nicht nur Mastodon. Ich bin z. B. auf Hubzilla, das schon seit 2015 im Fediverse ist, ein Jahr vor Mastodon.
Auf Hubzilla gibt's berhaupt kein Zeichenlimit.Ich selbst schreibe schon mal extrem lange Posts. Meine lngsten sind die mit Bildbeschreibungen, denn meine vollen, detaillierten Bildbeschreibungen gehen immer in den Post selbst. Leider kennt freiburg.social keinen einzigen meiner Bilderposts, sonst wrde ich dir sagen, unter welchen Hashtags du welche finden kannst, dann knntest du selber mal gucken.
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Posts ber 500 Zeichen stren eben viele Mastodon-Nutzer, und deswegen wollen sie dafr eine CW. Und
von mir gibt's zumindest aktuell immer noch immer eine CW fr ber 500 Zeichen (z. B. "CW: long post (over 25,000 characters)" doch, so lange Posts gibt's von mir). Nur fr Erstposts aus Grnden, die zu erklren hier zu weit fhren wrden, aber es gibt sie.
Das hat zwei Vorteile.
Vorteil 1: Die Leute wissen, da ist eine hypermassive Wall of Text, die auch mal so lang ist wie zig Trts. Und sie knnen fr sich entscheiden, ob sie das jetzt aufklappen wollen oder nicht.
Vorteil 2: Der Post ist noch mal extra versteckt.
Normalerweise krzt Mastodon im Webinterface ja sehr lange Posts in den Timelines ab. Da steht dann unten: "Gesamten Beitrag anschauen >". Da kann man draufklicken, und dann sieht man den ganzen Post.
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Die Posts werden eben nicht auf 500 Zeichen gekrzt, sondern auf deutlich mehr. Ich schtze, so ca. 2000 Zeichen werden in der Timeline immer am Stck angezeigt, und was lnger ist, wird in der Timeline auf ca. 1500 Zeichen gekrzt. Ist aber trotzdem noch sehr lang, wenn man nur 500 Zeichen gewohnt ist.
Da ist so eine CW schon hilfreich, wenn einen mehr als 500 Zeichen zu sehr stren.
Und dann kommen noch Mobil-Apps dazu. Die verhalten sich ja auch unterschiedlich, wobei ich die nicht im einzelnen aus eigener Erfahrung kenne.
Bei einigen kann wohl dieses Krzen in der Timeline abgeschaltet werden fr Leute, die keinen Bock haben, jeden Trt einzeln aufzumachen, um ihn lesen zu knnen. Das heit auch, wenn da ein 50.000-Zeichen-Post ohne CW steht,
dann haben die 50.000 Zeichen am Stck in der Timeline stehen und mssen wie die Blden scrollen. Auch deswegen wollen die CWs.
So, wenn du jetzt alle CWs immer ausgeklappt haben willst
UND dich mehr als 500 Zeichen stren
UND du womglich in einer App eingestellt hast, da Posts in den Timelines nicht gekrzt werden,
dann hast du erstmal kein Gegenmittel mehr gegen berlange Posts. Dann wrdest du theoretisch von mir auch mal
50.000 Zeichen oder mehr am Stck in die fderierte Timeline kriegen.Doch, ein Gegenmittel httest du noch:
Filter. Du mut nur eins oder mehrere von den Hashtags #
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CWLongPost filtern. Du weit doch hoffentlich, da Mastodon Filter hat, oder Weit du auch, da Mastodons Filter seit Mastodon 4.0 Posts nicht nur entfernen, sondern auch hinter Inhaltswarnungen verstecken knnen
Jedenfalls, das geht. Und zumindest momentan packe ich auf alle meine Posts und Kommentare, die ber 500 Zeichen gehen, die Hashtags #
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CWLongPost. Wenn du eins von den drei Hashtags, die ich einen Absatz weiter oben genannt habe, filterst, dann siehst du diese langen Posts nicht mehr.
Aber: Wenn du unbedingt alle CWs ausgeklappt haben willst,
UND du auch lngere Posts in allen Timelines sofort in voller Lnge sehen willst,
UND du keine Filter anlegen kannst oder willst,
UND dich lange Posts stren,
dann kannst du meine extrem langen Posts nur auf eine letzte Art unterbinden.Indem du mich mutest oder blockierst.Jetzt verstanden Aktuell geht's nicht. Fr die Zukunft kann ich das auch kaum kommen sehen.
Okay, hchstens innerhalb von Mastodon, da man also von Mastodon aus Alt-Text zu Bildern unter anderen Mastodon-Trts hinzufgen kann.
Aber schon die Wahrscheinlichkeit, da das auch von Mastodon aus bei Posts von anderen Microblogging-Projekten auf ActivityPub-Basis geht (z. B. Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey und seine ganzen Forks), ist verschwindend gering, weil die das natrlich auch alle implementieren mten.
Wo es definitiv nicht gehen wird, ist mit Posts von Friendica, Hubzilla oder (streams). Ich bin selbst auf Hubzilla, das erklrt auch diesen langen Kommentar. Denn Hubzilla ist knapp ein Jahr lter als Mastodon, und da gab es nie diese Nur-500-Zeichen-erlaubt-Kultur.
Jedenfalls, nicht nur verwenden die drei intern nicht ActivityPub als primres Protokoll, sondern bei denen sind Posts vllig anders aufgebaut auf Mastodon. Die sind mehr wie Blogposts. Bilder sind nicht unbedingt Dateianhngsel, sondern knnen auch per Link in einen Post eingebettet sein. In dem Fall wird der Alt-Text dann auch nicht in ein separates Textfeld fr das Bild geschrieben, sondern direkt in den Post selbst, also in den Markup-Code, mit dem das Bild eingefgt wird. Mastodon mu die Posts erst umbauen, damit es sie anzeigen kann.
Wenn du von Mastodon aus bei einem Bild in einem Post von Friendica, Hubzilla oder (streams) Alt-Text wie auf Mastodon selbst eintragen willst, mte Mastodon den Originalquellcode irgendwo cachen und deinen Alt-Text da einfgen. Es mte also die Markup-Besonderheiten jeweils von Friendica, Hubzilla und (streams) kennen. Das wird nicht passieren.
Wenn, dann mtest du auf Mastodon den Alt-Text direkt in den Post eintragen. Das hiee zweierlei.
Zum einen knnten Krethi und Plethi von Mastodon aus beliebig in meinen Hubzilla-Posts herumwurschteln, und zwar ohne meine Erlaubnis. Denn wenn du einen Alt-Text in den Code im Post einbauen kannst, dann kannst du am Post auch alles andere ndern. Oder lschen. Oder was anderes dazuschreiben.
Zum anderen httest du dann keine schne bunte WYSIWYG-Echtzeitvorschau wie in Word, sondern den blanken Quellcode vor dir. Fr Friendica mtest du BBcode kennen, und da hat Friendica noch ein paar Spezialcodes, die es in Foren nicht gibt. Hubzilla hat noch haufenweise mehr und noch speziellere Spezialcodes. Und auf (streams) kann man da noch oben drauf innerhalb desselben Post Markdown und HTML zum Formatieren verwenden.
Ach ja, Friendica, Hubzilla und (streams) haben wenigstens noch einen Vorschaubutton, mit dem man berprfen kann, ob auch alles stimmt. Den hat Mastodon nicht, geschweige denn auch die Mglichkeit, all das anzuzeigen, was die drei knnen. Du knntest Wunder was in meinen Posts kaputtmachen und wtest es nicht mal.
Letztlich wrde es eh daran scheitern, da Mastodons Editor standardmig nicht mehr als 500 Zeichen kann. Aber wenn's von auerhalb kommt, ist es hufig lnger als 500 Zeichen.
Kurzum: Am Ende sitzt du da und versuchst wie ein Blder, einen Alt-Text an ein Bild unter etwas zu hngen, was du fr einen Mastodon-Trt hltst. Aber vergeblich, weil dieser Trt kein Trt ist, sondern von etwas kommt, das mit Mastodon praktisch nichts gemeinsam hat.
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NichtNurMastodon I can't help you there. The last time I've used Friendica was when Hubzilla was still very very young, and that was in the 2010s.
Well, Friendica referred to itself as federated with Facebook back in 2011 before Facebook changed its rules. And that did require a Facebook account. Also, both Friendica and Hubzilla are still technically capable of connecting themselves to , but for as long as that actually worked, it did require an account there as well.
I remember Friendica's Facebook connector. It was more than a crossposter. It actually mirrored both your friends list and your entire timeline from Facebook into Friendica. And I think if you posted something on Friendica, people on Friendica, Diaspora*, GNU social and Facebook could all comment on that post.
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FriendicaWe zitten wel in een coronadal, maar je kunt nog steeds (weer) en dus ook -covid oplopen. Bovendien waren er allerlei andere virussen rond waar je beslist niet op zit te wachten. is dus geen overbodige luxe.
- Salad Days!
And here it is ... this is why Alabama is at the bottom in . People like this , (In My Opinion) who feels kids reading about -white and is and . Mr. wants to educate and keep the from about . Feel free to replace the *'s with :// in the link below. I didn't want to give him any accidental clicks.
https***youtu.be/qboivzsddY0
A -shot request to the collected memory...
I vaguely recall a scene from a recent British police drama, I *think* it was , where the detective was called in to her boss (Superintendent) for a very awkward conversation about an email she had supposedly sent asking her (happily married) boss out on a date. Turned out it was a prank email from her colleagues using her unlocked computer.
I thought it would make a great and humorous way to make the point with my team about locking workstations when not in use (as per company policy). And trying to find it is now bugging me!
Does anyone out there have a better memory of the scene. Which series or episode Do I even have the show right
Or maybe you can suggest alternate scenes/clips that emphasize the same point
Thanks hivemind!
Votes are in for . This time it was about whether or not long posts should have a content warning.
The majority of Mastodon voters (9 of 14) voted against it, but roughly one out of three Mastodon voters voted in favour of it.
Even if I'll definitely ignore the one voter who wants posts over 500 characters banned all over the entire Fediverse, I'm not sure what to make of it myself. I mean, I almost always post over 500 characters.
On the one hand, content warnings for over 500 characters have their place. There seems to be at least one app that was built under the assumption that the Fediverse is only vanilla Mastodon, and there will never be over 500 characters in the Fediverse, so folding posts is unnecessary. Thus, it can't fold posts, and it shows
all posts at their full length. Other frontends may offer the option to always unfold all posts, and users who thought that no post will ever exceed 500 character anyway have chosen that option.
I've only got one way to keep my posts from showing up in their timelines as gigantic walls of texts, and that's a summary which appears as a content warning on Mastodon. In fact, I've always added the character count, so people know beforehand if that post has only 700 character or over 75,000, and they can decide whether or not to open it. And yes, I've once posted over 77,000 characters in one post.
On the other hand, I guess that Mastodon users are blocking me left and right for my long posts anyway, regardless of whether or not I issue a content warning. I think there are tens of thousands of Mastodon users who have blocked me meanwhile.
The worst offenders, I think, have to be my rare image posts. Mastodon wants image descriptions. Image descriptions which actually describe what's in the image sufficiently both for the context and for the target audience and which also explain what the target audience doesn't know or understand. Yes, I do that, but for , I always have a lot to describe and explain. This, however, means that I regularly put more characters into the description of one image than many prolific alt-text writers on Mastodon put into all their alt-texts of one whole month. And such a description can only go one place. That isn't the alt-text, that's the post.
So if I don't describe my images, my image posts may not be boosted, and Mastodon users may pester me to write alt-texts. But when I
do describe my images, the posts aren't boosted either due to being too long and not even interesting, and Mastodon users block me out-right for excessively long posts. A content warning won't change anything.
Besides, I can't put Mastodon-style content warnings on replies anyway. On Hubzilla, replies aren't just posts like any other post. Hubzilla is not a Twitter clone. On Hubzilla, replies are comments like blog comments or Facebook comments or Tumblr comments. They even have their own dedicated entry masks while Mastodon has one for everything. And those entry masks don't have a summary field which is the same as Mastodon's CW field. I mean, who would put a summary on a blog comment
Lastly, no warnings for my long posts reduces the effort for me. See, Hubzilla doesn't have a character counter, not in the post editor and not in the comment editor either. It doesn't need a character counter. It doesn't have any character limit to worry about.
So whenever I write a post, I generate a preview, then I copy the preview into a text editor, e.g. Mousepad, then I count the characters. And if they're over 500, I write a summary including a "CW: long (
insert rough or exact character count here characters)" content warning and the four hashtags #
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CWLongPost for those who have filters for long posts which either remove them entirely or generate content warnings for them. So my long posts always grow longer by another 36 characters due to these hashtags. But I guess nobody filters either of these hashtags anyway.
I think I don't have to do either if people block me for my long posts anyway. I mean, I'll go on issuing content warnings for what might disturb Mastodon users see this very post. And I'll go on issuing them two-fold, both as a Mastodon-style CW in the summary field and as filter-triggering hashtags. But maybe long-post warnings are ultimately useless because they don't change anything.
P.S.: Of course, non-Mastodon users don't care either way. My fellows on Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) are used to massive walls of texts as regular posts because that has been part of their culture since 2010. They can't see how this could possibly be a problem. People on Misskey and the Forkeys are used to long posts, too, and besides, the *keys apparently reject posts with over 10,000 characters anyway.
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LongPostMeta Let's face it, most people migrated from Twitter to Mastodon not in search of an anti-Twitter, but in search of Twitter without Musk. And Mastodon was the next-best thing they knew back then.
Many have never settled in. They've never adjusted to Mastodon's culture nor the overarching culture of the greater Fediverse. They keep using Mastodon like Twitter, and they're waiting for either the whole Fediverse to become more like pre-Musk Twitter or something that's more like pre-Musk Twitter to come along.
You can tell them by staunchly refusing to use hashtags and add content warnings and alt-text. The worst still speak of tweeting and re-tweeting because they can't even be bothered to get used to Mastodon's lingo.
The reason why they didn't get an invite was either because that felt like too much of a hassle in comparison with just installing the app and creating an account or because they
have applied for an invite, but still haven't received it.
Now that they don't need an invite, they can easily jump ships and join something that's oh-so-much easier to use with its Twitter clone UI and its fully-featured official app that bears the same name as the service itself and not having to choose an instance and not having to write content warnings and alt-texts and not even having hashtags in the first place and a secret-sauce algorithm that feeds them posts without them having to do anything for it.
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BlueskyNow that Bluesky registration is fully open, I expect hundreds of thousands of active Mastodon users to flock to Bluesky.
That'll be those who have only been on Mastodon and mostly big general-purpose instances because it was the closest thing to "Twitter without Musk" with open registration. The same people who staunchly keep using Mastodon like they used to use Twitter before. And Bluesky has given them the gift of an open but still central registration without having to pick an instance. I mean, it has yet to go fully decentral.
So as of now, Bluesky
really is "literally Twitter without Musk" as expected.
The results I expect are mastodon.social no longer being the most active instance and Mastodon itself no longer being twice as active as the whole rest of the Fediverse combined, not nearly. For all the other Fediverse projects, nothing much will change. They've always been completely unknown on Twitter. So those who have never wanted anything different from Twitter still sit on the same general-purpose Mastodon instance with a domain that hints at Mastodon. But I guess not for much longer.
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Bluesky How much can describing images and adding alt-texts be made easier anyway What's peak ease-of-use that's worth achieving
If you want to go all the way, you have to take away all means of writing image descriptions manually and have them always written by an AI without the author of a post even knowing or noticing. But that requires an omniscient AI that can describe absolutely
any picture, no matter how niche and obscure the topic, accurately and at an appropriate level of detail.
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AIWe Understand Why Live So
I've recently sent a post with 26,000+ characters. The delivery report tells me that every last *key instance had problems with it.
They often rejected it entirely with an error 413. (
delivery rejected: 413 "statusCode":413,"code":"FSTERRCTPBODYTOOLARGE","error":"Payload Too Large","message":"Re
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This means that Misskey and the Forkeys have a hard limit not at 50,000 characters as I previously thought, but at 25,000 characters, 20,000 characters or even lower, and they refuse to accept any incoming objects that are longer. I mean, I know that Mastodon has a 100,000-character limit that acts the same, and I think I've read that so have Pleroma and Akkoma, but
that limit has to be ridiculously low. Essentially, I can barely send virtual world pictures with sufficient image descriptions out to Misskey and the Forkeys.
Of course, this stays largely unnoticed because there are only so many users in the Fediverse who a) write posts that grow that long and b) have access to delivery reports for their own posts. Another advantage of being on Hubzilla.
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Hajkey Late, but still:
Mastodon doesn't know titles as coming from Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams).
Mastodon's CW is Friendica's
abstract/abstract
BBcode tags and Hubzilla's and (streams)' summary.
A unique Friendica feature, and this should be interesting for you, , is:
When you write a post without a title, it goes out to ActivityPub as a Note object, like a Mastodon toot.
When you write a post
with a title, it goes out to ActivityPub as an Article object, like a blog post. Mastodon knows how to handle Article objects/long-form blog posts, and that's by linking to them. This is intentional and a feature, not a bug.
The alternative would be to slam 10,000 characters into the timelines of people who aren't used to over 500 characters, ripping the pictures out of the post, leaving the last four of them dangling under what's become a gigantic toot in reverse order and, if there are more than four pictures, throwing the others away. For this is what happens to blog-style posts that go out from Hubzilla and (streams).
won't be able to answer questions about *blogging services that aren't Mastodon because they don't seem to know what anything beyond Mastodon does.
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(streams)Een petitie om het het amendement van Julian Bushoff te ondersteunen voor speciale -covid klinieken
Spt, aber vielleicht bekomme ich das noch zusammen:
Der erste richtig groe Forkey war
Calckey von 2022. Wie in den frhen 2020ern blich wurde das von Misskey softgeforkt, wohl vor allem, um Extrafeatures drankleben zu knnen und es ein bichen mehr auf nicht-japanische Nutzer in der westlichen Welt zu trimmen. Dahinter steckte jemand, der sich ursprnglich ThatOneCalculator nannte, wonach auch Calckey benannt war, und spter dann Kainoa.
Dann kam Supakaity, die Administratorin von blahaj.zone, und hat Calckey zu
Hajkey softgeforkt, weil blahaj.social gewisse nderungen und Spezialfeatures brauchte. Hajkey hat nur diese eine Instanz.
Bis irgendwann Anfang 2023 war ja der Pleroma-Fork Akkoma der heie Schei im Fediverse, zumindest fr die, denen Mastodon nicht reichte, die aber nicht irre genug waren, gleich den Schritt nach Friendica oder gar Hubzilla zu tun. Dann aber hat jemand Calckey so hart gepusht, da es in aller Munde war und super-populr wurde. Weil es jetzt aber keine Nischenerscheinung war, war der Name "Calckey" auf einmal doof. Also wurde das Projekt in "
Firefish" umbenannt und zwecks besserer Weiterentwicklung in einen Hard Fork umgewandelt.
Auch Hajkey wurde auf Firefish rebased und trgt hier und da immer noch Firefish-Logos, aber das ganze Projekt scheint im Gegensatz zu blahaj.zone tot zu sein. Die Website und das Repository sind jedenfalls offline.
Jetzt lag allerdings die gesamte Projektverantwortung fr Firefish bei Kainoa, der auch die Leuchtturminstanz firefish.social administrierte. Und Mitte 2023 wurde Kainoa mit dem Studium fertig und begann in seinem Job. Und hatte auf einmal genau
null Zeit mehr fr Firefish in irgendeiner Form.
Ende 2023 wurde dann die Community langsam unruhig. Misskey hatte Firefish in der Entwicklung berholt. An Firefish war seit Juni 2023 genau berhaupt nichts mehr gemacht worden, weil der einzige, der irgendwas einpflegen und releasen konnte, also Kainoa, nichts mehr tat. Noch dazu machte firefish.social komplett die Grtsche, weil der einzige Tech-Admin, also Kainoa, futsch war.
Also war Eigeninitiative angesagt.
- Iceshrimp wurde von Firefish hardgeforkt, um einen direkten Ersatz fr Firefish zu haben. Dann wurde es meines Wissens quasi sofort auf Misskey rebased, weil Misskey die aktuellere Codebasis hatte, und gleich wieder zum Hard Fork gemacht. Aktuell wird das ganze Ding von Grund auf in C# neu geschrieben.
- Hajkey wurde wohl mit einem Schweineaufwand auf Iceshrimp rebased. Wie gesagt, aktueller Status unklar.
- Sharkey wurde direkt von Misskey softgeforkt mit der Intention, ein Misskey mit Firefish-Features zu bauen, das aber nie das als Basis lngst untaugliche Firefish gewesen war. Gleichzeitig bewahrt sich Sharkey die Verspieltheit von Misskey. Also quasi das, was Calckey mal war, nur neuer.
- Catodon ist noch vergleichsweise neu. Es ist auch ein Fork von Firefish, der von den anderen beiden Firefish-Kernentwicklern erstellt wurde und auf Iceshrimp rebased werden soll, und noch in der frhen Entwicklung. Und die Entwicklung steht momentan still. Man wartet darauf, da der Rewrite von Iceshrimp fertig wird, um Catodon erst dann auf Iceshrimp zu rebasen und als Soft Fork von Iceshrimp weiterzuentwickeln. Bis dahin ist Catodon im Grunde "Firefish, aber mit anderem Logo und maintained". Die Idee hinter Catodon ist das technische Konzept von Misskey minus die japanische Anime-Verspieltheit von Misskey plus eine simple, auf den Geschmack westlicher Twitter-Umsteiger zugeschnittene Bedienung la Mastodon.
Ach ja, Kainoa hat sich doch noch geregt. Vor vier Tagen hat er das seit Monaten vllig unbrauchbare firefish.social abgeschaltet, und gestern hat er das Projekt Firefish an sich in andere Hnde bergeben. Ich glaube aber nicht, da es wieder gro rauskommen wird oder irgendjemand, der Ahnung hat, darauf noch einen Fork basieren wird.
Meisskey ist wieder ganz was anderes. Das ist ein japanischer Fork von Misskey, der auch schon einige Jahre auf dem Buckel hat, auf dem Stand von Misskey 10 stehengeblieben ist und seinen letzten Pull Request vor fnf Monaten eingepflegt hat. Zum Vergleich: Firefish entspricht Misskey 12, whrend Misskey schon im Januar 2023 Version 13 rausbrachte und seit August ein ganz anderes Versionsnummernschema hat. Also Asbach Uralt.
brigens hat Misskey alleine auf GitHub an die 1200 Forks, von denen etliche eigene Namen haben. Und imaginre Forkeys mit Namen mit irgendwas mit "-key" am Ende sind lngst zum Meme geworden.
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Meisskey There are three things I like about this.
One, while it's about alt-text, it doesn't treat alt-text and image description as identical and mutually synonymous. It actually mentions that certain things should be described
in the post.
This is completely useless for both commercial walled-garden social networks/microblogging services and Mastodon due to their puny character limits. But for the Fediverse outside of Mastodon, it's the more useful.
Two, at the same time, it doesn't imply that everything and anything where you may add alt-text to an image is a static website or an HTML-based blog.
Three, it acknowledges that there are pictures about topics that are too niche for most people, and that require some more description and explanation. Unlike alt-text guides for Mastodon, it doesn't imply that everything is as simple and casual as a cat photo.
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never be mandatory, and AI must
never be forced upon anyone or everyone.
For example, image descriptions. I write them myself. I write the longest, most extensive, most detailed image descriptions in the whole Fediverse because I'm largely free from Mastodon's restrictions. I spend hours researching for and describing and explaining one picture in tens of thousands of characters.
The full image description goes into the post itself, but I always have an additional actual alt-text with a short description which also mentions that there's a full description with lots of explanations in the post. I have to do this because I have to hide posts with image descriptions behind content warnings for being over 500 characters long.
Now imagine what'd happen if AI-generated image descriptions were forced upon everyone. The AI would first throw my own alt-text away. Result: Hardly anyone would even discover the actual image description because the alt-text would no longer explain where it is. Or that there is one in the first place.
Besides, the AI would write a completely mangled, non-sense description of an image which it fails to understand because the picture was not taken in the real world. The AI wouldn't even understand that the picture wasn't taken in the real world because it wouldn't expect that.
I wouldn't let my own hashtags be forcibly replaced by AI-generated hashtags. AI doesn't necessarily understand my posts, it doesn't have the competence in the super-niche fields I write about. How is an AI supposed to know what the Hypergrid International Expo is or what the Discovery Grid is Worse yet: How is it supposed to tell from a picture which OpenSim grid name to hashtag
Besides, I have my own way of using hashtags which is not rooted in Mastodon's culture. After all, I'm not on Mastodon. I'm on something that has existed since before there was Mastodon. It does things differently.
I always add hashtags with the purpose of triggering automated, reader-side content warning filters which are standard where I am, and which became available to Mastodon itself last year with the 4.0 release.
For example, if a post exceeds the 500-character mark like this one, I add the hashtags #
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CWLongPost. Or if I talk about something concerning the Fediverse which many people don't want to read about either, just like I'm doing here, I add the hashtags #
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Or if I ramble about image descriptions, and I'm pretty sure that many many Mastodon users don't want to read about that, I add the hashtags #
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You can easily make these trigger the automatic generation of a content warning just for you. Or you can have any and all posts with them deleted automatically. That's what they're there for.
But if some AI that's only built against Mastodon and Mastodon's culture comes and deletes them and replaces them with its own ones, it takes away this feature.
And don't get started about opt-out. You can add opt-outs for whatever you want on Mastodon. But I'm on Hubzilla. I can't opt into or out of
anything that Mastodon and only Mastodon does.
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CWHashtagMetaAlso, yes, I've cheated.
The camera position was selected carefully. I've tried to reduce the description effort by not showing any buildings, save for the motel and that tiny bit of roof of Black White Castle. I didn't want to study design and architecture so I could describe buildings properly.
Besides, the conifer trunk covering one of the posters is intentional, too. I've avoided having to describe two drawings of angels.
The monochrome setting is not me cheating around having to describe colours. I still had to describe grey at various levels of brightness or darkness.
But turning my avatar's back to the camera was cheating all right. It saved me from describing facial features and a facial expression where there isn't really one. And most of all, it saved me from the trouble of shielding sensitive users on especially Mastodon from a picture with eye contact which would only be possible by
linking to the picture instead of adding it to the post itself. It actually took me a while to position my avatar in such a way that not the least bit of face is visible.
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