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If you're looking for a more advanced Facebook alternative with (), and if you can live without connecting to diaspora* and subscribing to RSS/Atom feeds, you may want to check out , a fork of a fork (insert lots of more forks) of Friendica by Friendica's creator ( ).
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Streams #(streams) #NomadicIdentity #FacebookAlternative A few additions:
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Instances #FediverseInstances #Misskey #Friendica #Streams #(streams) #Mbin #PieFed That'd be an as-of-yet untouched use-case for Hubzilla.
Set up a channel just for the Constitution. Put it on a series of webpages. Or articles. Or cards. Or into a wiki for everyone's navigation convenience. Next, clone the channel across hubs under various jurisdictions on various continents, just in case.
It doesn't really federate onto people's timelines because there's no point in following it. But still, it's next to impossible to wipe out. Need a new copy Just clone it again.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #USPol #Constitution #CWUSPol Not the alternative. But the oldest from a whole family of alternatives, all from the same developer, that spans 14 years of development.
It's just that, while Friendica is obscure (although it has been around since 2010), Hubzilla (from 2012/2015) is much more obscure, (streams) (from 2021) is almost entirely unknown outside of the Hubzilla community, and Forte (from last August) is still experimental.
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Some Fediverse server applications that have built-in support for groups/forums have their own support groups/forums which you can (and have to) join to ask for support for these specific applications.
Friendica:
Hubzilla: Hubzilla Support Forum (and various others which are practically inactive)
(streams): Streams
I don't know of any such groups for the Fediverse in general. But then again, today's Fediverse is still absolutely Mastodon-centric, and Mastodon doesn't even know what a group is.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #FediverseSupport #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) Friendica is growing significantly, but significantly by Friendica's standards. For one, that's because Friendica is too unknown in today's Fediverse, and so, many Mastodon users are pulling Facebook users to Mastodon because they don't know any better. Besides, Facebook users are a great deal less willing to leave than Instagram or Threads users.
I mean, Friendica is measured by Mastodon's standards. If it doesn't have hundreds of thousands of registered users and big instances with at least tens of thousands of registered users, it's tiny. But Friendica doesn't want to have gigantic, semi-monolithic lighthouse nodes. And in fact, it's a Friendica tradition to purge accounts that have been inactive for long enough.
Friendica's culture is much, much different from Mastodon's culture. But it's also much, much older than Mastodon's culture.
As for Hubzilla, at least three out of four Fediverse users have never even heard or read the name. Even most of those who have heard of Friendica think that Friendica is the only one of its kind in the Fediverse.
If you ask me, (streams) would make for an even better Facebook alternative than Hubzilla, and I use both (and write to you from Hubzilla now). But (streams) is even more obscure. It's only known by Hubzilla users and its own users, and everyone on (streams) either used to be or still is on Hubzilla. And unless they actually use (streams), they don't know more than its name and that it has lost some Hubzilla features, and that's all. It doesn't help that it's almost impossible to find the two public, open-registration (streams) instances.
Okay, another obstacle may be phone apps. There is no dedicated iOS app for Friendica yet, at least no stable release, so you'd have to make do with an app made for Mastodon. For Hubzilla, the only existing app is on F-Droid, has been unmaintained for over five years and mostly uses the Web interface. For (streams), there are no apps at all. All three can be installed as progressive Web apps, but 99.99% of all smartphone users don't even know what that is and require something they can pull from an app store.
Lastly, none of the three is the outright Facebook clone that many want to have, and so they all have a learning curve that's steeper than Mastodon's or Pixelfed's. But then again, Facebook itself is from a time before everything had to be a no-brainer geared towards total dumb-dumbs, and so Facebook itself has a learning curve which long-time Facebook users have totally forgotten about.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) Let's see.
Friendica: created by a professional software developer with three decades of experience
Mastodon: created by a kid almost fresh out of school
Friendica: adheres to ActivityPub standards
Mastodon: flips the bird at standards, keeps developing its own proprietary and non-standard things and tries to force them upon the rest of the Fediverse
Friendica: aims to connect not only to the whole Fediverse and support it, but also to connect to a whole lot of things outside the ActivityPub-based Fediverse
Mastodon: seemingly intentionally makes everything that isn't Mastodon look broken or faulty
Friendica: shows you what server software a post, a comment or a DM came from
Mastodon: tries to make everyone believe that everything in the Fediverse is from Mastodon
Friendica: counts your unread items
Mastodon: doesn't know the concept of "unread" you scroll down your timeline until you want no more, and you'll never know what you've never read although you should have
Friendica: conversations are enclosed objects with one (1) post at the top and otherwise any number of comments
Mastodon: doesn't know what conversations are, strings threads loosely together from posts and more posts
Friendica: timeline full of conversations with post and usually all comments
Mastodon: piecemeal timeline full of single posts which may or may not have replies, and which may or may not be replies
Friendica: can both (optionally) send and properly render long-form Article-type objects
Mastodon: staunchly refuses to even render Article-type objects and turns them into links
You've already mentioned this:
Friendica: practically unlimited post length
Mastodon: 500 characters unless the admin hacks into the source code
Friendica: has titles
Mastodon: doesn't know what titles are
Friendica: can create the whole shebang of text formatting
Mastodon: can only create plain text and render a small subset of text formatting options
Friendica: take as many images as you want and embed them anywhere in your post in-line
Mastodon: only supports images as file attachments and only four of these, refuses to render in-line images
Friendica: built-in file space with its own file manager from which you can attach e.g. images and other media to your posts
Mastodon: your file attachments land somewhere that you can't see
Friendica: has had group support and built-in groups since its beginnings, but also recognises and supports group actors from elsewhere, e.g. Guppe groups, Hubzilla forums, (streams) groups, Forte groups, Lemmy communities, Mbin magazines, PieFed communities
Mastodon: doesn't know what groups are, doesn't recognise them when it comes across them and doesn't know what to do with them
Friendica: has at least rudimentary permissions control
Mastodon: doesn't know what permissions are only knows a few privacy levels for posts, hiding your profile and hiding your contacts, that's all takes everything from Friendica, Hubzilla & Co. that isn't fully public as a PM because it doesn't know what else to do with it
Friendica: has had well-integrated circles since before diaspora* had aspects which Google+ ripped off as circles
Mastodon: had a clunky and user-unfriendly list feature glued on after the fact
Friendica: you can post only to the members of a circle, only they can see your post, only they can interact with your post, they can also interact with each other's comments
Mastodon: you can't post only to the members of a list
Friendica: built-in directory plus contact suggestions based on similarities in profiles and/or common connections, just like on Facebook
Mastodon: no directory, most servers require you to use the search to find new contacts, doesn't even have the profile fields for Facebook-level contact suggestions
Friendica: built-in federated event calendar
Mastodon: can't handle events
Friendica: can automatically generate reader-side content warnings for you individually from a list of keywords this has been deepy engrained into Friendica's culture for over a decade
Mastodon: uses the summary field for CWs that are forced upon everyone can use its filters to generate CWs like Friendica, but nobody knows, and this will never become part of Mastodon's culture
Friendica: community is open and friendly towards everyone who is open and friendly, no matter where they are, including non-ActivityPub places like diaspora*, because connecting with the whole world is one of Friendica's goals users are only irritated by obnoxious Mastodon fundamentalists
Mastodon: community is only open and friendly towards those who act like they're on Mastodon or even only who are on Mastodon its culture is openly and unabashedly hostile against everything in the Fediverse that doesn't work exactly like Mastodon to the point of this hostility becoming part of Mastodon's culture users may attack and/or block you for as little as posting over 500 characters at once or otherwise doing things not the Mastodon way
Friendica: users are aware of the extents of the Fediverse and eager to connect to everywhere, even including beyond ActivityPub
Mastodon: every other user thinks the Fediverse is Mastodon
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Zunchst einmal ganz klassisch Auffindbarkeit von Beitrgen durch Suche. Dazu zhlt auch, da einige Fediverse-Serveranwendungen es auf verschiedene Arten mglich machen, Hashtags zu folgen, darunter auch Mastodon.
Hashtags sind aber auch ntzlich, um unerwnschten Content loszuwerden bzw. anderen dabei zu helfen, den eigenen Content loszuwerden, fr die er unerwnscht ist. Sie knnen z. B. gefiltert werden, und man kann beim Schreiben von Posts Hashtags nutzen, um Schlsselwrter zum Filtern elegant in Posts unterzubringen.
Es gibt auch an einigen Orten die Mglichkeit, mit Schlsselwortlisten Inhalte leserseitig automatisiert hinter Inhaltswarnungen zu verbergen. Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) und Forte haben das seit Anbeginn (2010, 2012, 2021, 2024), und was viele nicht zu wissen scheinen (oder es ist einfach nicht Teil von Mastodons Kultur), auch Mastodon hat diese Mglichkeit Ende 2022 in seine Filter eingebaut. Auch das kann man mit Hashtags untersttzen.
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Nope, they can be fundamentally different underneath.
For example, just about everything that does micro- and/or macroblogging and that isn't Mastodon has an understanding of conversations to some degree. On Friendica, conversations are always objects which are one (1) post plus any number of comments.
Same on its descendants, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte which even have (they originated on (streams)). They can also have , they offer , and they have that combines with .
In fact, Hubzilla and (streams) aren't even based on ActivityPub. Hubzilla is based on an older version of the Nomad protocol which uses the Zot6 libraries ActivityPub is implemented via an add-on which is and . (streams) is based on the current version of Nomad ActivityPub is integrated into the core and optional and on by default on both server and channel level.
I guess it's obvious that none of this happens in the graphical frontend.
Or to come back to videos: Sure, you may be able to upload a video to Mastodon as a file attachment. But unlike PeerTube, Mastodon cannot actually stream videos from a channel, much less spread the load across multiple server instances using peer-to-peer technology.
(If you thought until now that the Fediverse only consists of Mastodon, Pixelfed and Loops, I'd like to know.)
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #FediverseYesterday 15 years ago, was officially launched and connected to the Hypergrid. Today it is the oldest still existing German grid, the third-oldest grid overall and the only German grid that has ever managed to exist for 15 years. Starting today and until Sunday, this anniversary will be celebrated with four days of live and DJ events.
Event language is German. In-world translators will be provided for chat.
Event location: Festival stage, , Dorenas World
hop://dorenas-world.de:8002/Landing/141/145/23
Event location: Rock-House, , Dorenas World (in-door)
hop://dorenas-world.de:8002/Nihilon/217/167/23
Event location: Festival stage, , Dorenas World
hop://dorenas-world.de:8002/Landing/141/145/23
Event location: Festival stage, , Dorenas World
hop://dorenas-world.de:8002/Landing/141/145/23
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #VirtualEvent #GridAnniversary #DorenasWorld I guess the majority of Mastodon users still thinks the Fediverse equals Mastodon, although their number may be shrinking.
Others may think that Friendica has only just been created because the Fediverse needed a Facebook equivalent. Little do they know that Friendica is the oldest still existing Fediverse server application, launched in July, 2010. And Friendica's own creator has made a whole number of forks and forks of forks of Friendica over all these years.
This means that Friendica is not the only Facebook equivalent in the Fediverse, nor is it the most powerful piece of server software in the Fediverse.
For starters, there is also after its . It's from late 2021, and it's a fork of a fork of three forks of a fork (of a fork) of a fork of Friendica.
It's more advanced than Friendica, it offers more control over permissions than Friendica, but it doesn't quite offer Friendica's connection options (no diaspora*, no OStatus, no Bluesky, no Tumblr, no WordPress crossposter, no LiveJournal crossposter, no XMPP-compatible chat...), and it doesn't offer multiple profiles per channel. But it does offer , and it offers .
Like Friendica, it offers groups at various levels of public vs private. The permissions system makes it possible to appoint additional admins as moderators for groups.
Its learning curve is another bit steeper than Friendica's, and Friendica's learning curve is already steeper than Mastodon's.
Don't go looking for instance lists. (streams) is intentionally kept away from instance list sites, and it intentionally doesn't send any statistics either. There are currently only two public, open-registration instances: in the USA and in Hungary with a German admin who also speaks English.
Also, there are no phone apps for (streams), and it doesn't work with Mastodon apps. Your only options are the Web interface in a browser of the Web interface as a progressive Web app.
And the absolute feature monster in the Fediverse is from 2015 which emerged from a Friendica fork from 2012. It offers some of Friendica's connection options, but everything that isn't Hubzilla's own Zot6, even ActivityPub, is optional and off by default for new channels. Hubzilla is where .
Like (streams) which is a Hubzilla descendant, Hubzilla offers multiple channels (identities) per account and nomadic identity (Hubzilla actually introduced nomadic identity), but it also offers multiple profiles (views of your identity) per channel like Friendica offers multiple profiles per account.
Hubzilla offers forums similar to the groups on (streams) with similar privacy and moderation options.
Hubzilla is actually more of a "decentralised social CMS" than a purist social networking application. It offers a whole lot of optional features which Friendica and (streams) don't have such as articles (an alternative way for blog posts that doesn't federate through the Fediverse), wikis and webpages. In fact, is built on a Hubzilla channel.
However, Hubzilla's learning curve is even steeper than (streams)'. And, again, don't ask for a phone app. There's only the browser and installing it as a PWA.
Public, open-registration Hubzilla hubs can be looked up on all known instance lists.
: Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) also offer a standards-compatible event calendar. At least Hubzilla and (streams) even offer the option to let other Hubzilla and (streams) channels administer your channel. This means you can create a channel only for a collaborative event calendar, connect it to certain trustworthy Hubzilla/(streams) users and give them administration permission on the calendar channel. This makes it possible for them to edit all calendars on the channel.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #FacebookEvents #FacebookGroups #Fediverse #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) That's doable.
This gives you a timeline that's unified not in your app, but on the server side already. And you don't cross-post to Friendica, Mastodon, everything else that uses ActivityPub, diaspora* and Bluesky, but you send one and the same post to Friendica, Mastodon, diaspora* and Bluesky, and you get one and the same comment thread from everywhere instead of four separate comment threads.
Potential downsides:
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Vor allem liegt das aber auch an Mastodons Timeline. Da wird neuer Content einfach oben angefgt. Und jede neue Antwort ist ein neuer Beitrag, der oben angefgt wird. Was davon Mastodon-Nutzer lesen, hngt davon ab, wieviel Zeit und Bock sie haben, nach unten zu scrollen.
Wenn sie jetzt ein paar hundert Leuten folgen, die auch mal alle zwei Minuten was boosten, schaffen sie hchstens das, was ber ein, zwei Stunden in ihre Timeline gekommen ist. Weiter runter scrollen sie ganz einfach nicht. Und wenn sie nur einmal am Tag auf ihre Timeline gucken, verpassen sie jeden Tag mindestens 22 Stunden an Ereignissen.
Das geht im Fediverse aber auch ganz anders: Friendica, das ja aktuell hoch gehandelt wird als Facebook-Alternative, und seine "noch lebenden Nachfahren" Hubzilla, (streams) und Forte haben einen Zhler fr Ereignisse, auf die man noch nicht geachtet hat. Wenn man den aufklappt, erhlt man eine Liste all dieser Ereignisse. Nicht die Ereignisse selbst, sondern nur eine Liste.
Klickt man eins davon an, wird der komplette Thread zu diesem Ereignis geladen und (standardmig) alles an ungesehenen Ereignissen in diesem Thread als gesehen markiert. Wenn z. B. ein neuer Post reingekommen ist, dazu 20 Kommentare (Antworten), 15 Likes (Faves) und 15 Wiederholungen (Boosts), dann markiert man auf einen Satz 51 Ereignisse als gesehen.
Und so kann man Stck fr Stck das Ungelesene lesen, ohne irgendwas zu verpassen, und damit interagieren und darauf reagieren, wenn man will. Eigentlich ideal fr die FOMO-Fraktion. Zur Not kann man immer noch alles mit einem Klick als gelesen markieren.
Wenn das irgendwann zuviel wird, fngt man von ganz alleine an zu kuratieren, also Nutzern zu entfolgen, ihnen die Berechtigungen zum Schicken von Posts zu entziehen, Wiederholungen/Boosts zu blockieren, Inhalte zu filtern usw. Derweil merken Mastodon-Nutzer nicht mal, da sie eigentlich schon viel zuviel Content in ihre Timeline bekommen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #FOMOThese will be some busy days for Juno Rowland and me in OpenSim...
Right now, the is visiting us at in . About two dozen avatars on a packed standard region of 256x256m. In fact, some have crossed into neighbouring sims, probably without even noticing. It doesn't help that it's night during the whole hour of their visit.
Right afterwards, we're off to the on-going weekly party over on .
In fact, today is the official 15th anniversary of Dorenas World. It's the only German grid that has ever managed to live for this long, and it's the third-oldest surviving OpenSim grid now. Only , the first public grid from 2007, and are older.
The anniversary will be celebrated from tomorrow on until Sunday. I'll post the schedule later. Just so much: We've finally managed to get to perform here.
And next week, on January 25th, Dereos will celebrate its 10th anniversary on a sim built for the occasion..
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #HGSafari #VirtualEvent #Grid #GridAnniversary #DorenasWorld #Dereos I myself would say that (streams) is stable enough to give it a try. Especially if you want to start a public instance, for we've only got two public, open-registration instances on (streams) now. But even if you want to go solo, you may want to give it a try, although single-user (streams) instances are only half the fun.
I've heard of a few guys who are already giving Forte a try or want to. But it's still too experimental to rely on it as a daily driver, I guess, also because that might overload Mike with bug reports which he'll have to fix quickly because people rely on it. I wouldn't daily-drive Forte until Mike says it's safe.
Only if you need Hubzilla's extra features (articles, cards, wikis, webpages...), it makes sense to install Hubzilla.
The support groups would be Hubzilla Support Forum and Streams, respectively.
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Um, . It is very much still under development, and it has multiple active main developers, especially .
Oh, and Mike Macgirvin isn't the Hubzilla main dev anymore either. In 2018, he has passed Hubzilla on to the community in the shape of Mario Vavti and Harald Eilertsen to concentrate on the advancement of Zot. He launched Osada (2018), Zap (2018), another Osada (2019), yet another Osada (2020), a new Mistpark (2020 that's Friendica's old name), a new Redmatrix (2020 that's Hubzilla's old name) and Roadhouse (early 2021).
His current works are and .
Mike is working on both almost all alone and entirely in his spare time. He has officially "retired" from software development effective September 1st, 2024, so he has more important things to do in his spare time like tend to his land in Australia. You can't expect something from him that looks like several million dollars have been spent by a Silicon Valley corporation on the UI design. Or from anyone in the Fediverse.
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Well, Friendica's goal is not growth, growth and more growth at all costs. Neither is it the goal of Friendica's descendants from the same developer, at least the last two of which can serve as Facebook replacements just as well: Hubzilla, (streams), Forte. Neither is it the goal of the Fediverse as a whole.
Also, Friendica is decidedly and intentionally against instances that grow too big. It doesn't want to concentrate the vast majority of users on one node.
All Facebook replacements in the Fediverse intentionally wear decentralisation on their lapels because it's part of their concept and identity. None of them will ever put newbie convenience before everything else, pretend to newbies to be a centralised, monolithic silo website and leave its users some two to six months to accidentally find out that, oh, by the way, it's decentralised.
So "user name, password, there you go" is not going to happen here.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte If your admin has the money for an API license, you can integrate an account into a Friendica account or a Hubzilla channel, just like you can integrate a Bluesky account into a Friendica account (yes, you can do that without a bridge), and just like you can integrate a Tumblr account into both.
The technology is still there and has been since long before Mastodon was made. Oh, and in case you don't know, both Friendica and Hubzilla are part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon (Hubzilla only optionally, but still, I'm posting this from Hubzilla right now).
The only reason why both Friendica and Hubzilla are factually disconnected from is because none of their admins (probably) can and want to pay for an API license. But, again, the technology is still there in both cases and installed on all Friendica nodes and Hubzilla hubs. It's just deactivated.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Twitter # #Bluesky #Friendica #Hubzilla That's probably because they're all being railroaded to pixelfed.social, and they think Pixelfed is a centralised silo because nobody tells them about decentralisation and the Fediverse. What we know as the Fediverse is only one website to them.
For a stark contrast, look at all those who are on Mastodon, and who try to relocate from Facebook to Friendica. These people actually haven't really arrived in the Fediverse yet. Otherwise they'd know that they can follow those of their friends who move from Facebook to Friendica (or elsewhere) from Mastodon, and they don't need a Friendica account just to be able to follow Friendica accounts.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse The main (stable) equivalents in the Fediverse to Facebook (albeit not even close to outright clones, but better) are, in chronological order of creation:
and are rather more powerful replacements for Twitter/.
Since you were probably unaware of this: All of these as well as Mastodon, Pixelfed and in are connected to one another via a protocol called ActivityPub. This means that you can follow Friendica or Pixelfed users from Mastodon. In fact, I'm writing this to you from Hubzilla right now, and you can read it on Mastodon. That is, Hubzilla is a special case: ActivityPub support is available, but optional and off by default for new users.
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A Friendica group, a Hubzilla forum or a (streams) group can also include an event calendar. But hardly any places in the Fediverse other than Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) support events Mastodon doesn't.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookGroups #FacebookEvents #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Threadiverse #Lemmy #Mbin #PieFed Ja, das ist deren Ernst. Auf Friendica sind Gruppen keine gesonderte Funktion, sondern spezielle Nutzerkonten, und zwar schon seit fast 15 Jahren.
Und das werden die Entwickler bestimmt nicht jetzt umbauen, nur weil einige Leute einen Facebook-Klon erwarten.
Wenn du keinen Bock auf Aus- und Einloggen hast, nimm lieber Hubzilla oder (streams), beide vom Friendica-Entwickler. Da sind Gruppen/Foren auch Kanle mit spezieller Einstellung, aber man kann mehrere Kanle auf einem Konto haben und zwischen denen hin- und herschalten, ohne sich aus- und wieder einloggen zu mssen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica Add your location to a Google Map Two things are becoming glaringly obvious currently.
One, it seems like aspiring Facebook escapees want and expect Facebook as it was in December, 2024, in the Fediverse. Maybe also because that's what they're told Friendica is. Just like Twitter escapees have been wanting and expecting Mastodon (and the Fediverse as a whole) to be literally Twitter without Musk, but otherwise absolutely identical to Twitter. Because that's what they were told.
People don't want something that's better than the original. Because that's different from the original. People want 1:1 clones of the original.
Two, lots of Mastodon users, even many of those who have been around since the second Twitter migration wave of late 2022 (as in over two years)k, haven't understood the Fediverse yet. They think their Mastodon account can only connect to Mastodon accounts, and a Friendica account can only connect to Friendica accounts, and so they need a Friendica account in parallel to their Mastodon account in order to be able to stay in contact with both new Friendica users and current Mastodon users.
Little do they probably know that they already follow users of Friendica, Hubzilla, Misskey, Sharkey, Iceshrimp, Akkoma, Mbin etc. on their Mastodon accounts because Mastodon doesn't tell them. Even less do they know that Friendica is the federation world champion. Not only does it connect to everything in the ActivityPub-using Fediverse, including Mastodon, but it also has more non-ActivityPub connection options than anything else.
Not so obvious yet: If a significant number of Facebook users does end up on Friendica, we'll have a wonderful clash of cultures in the Fediverse.
Beware if faction #3 discovers Lemmy communities and starts joining them. For Lemmy's culture is almost identical to Reddit's culture, whether #1 wants or not.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Mastodon #Friendica #MastodonCulture #FediverseCulture That's because Friendica is social networking. Just like Facebook was social networking in 2010 when Friendica was made.
Social media is about pumping out content. Just like Twitter and 2025's Facebook where you've got a full feed of stuff dealt to you by a secret-sauce algorithm without doing anything but joining.
Social networking is about connecting with people. 2010's Facebook didn't have an algorithm that automatically "friended" you with people. You had to do it yourself to have something happening in your feed.
So stop using it like Twitter, and start using it like Facebook was originally meant to be used. The burger menu should have something like Connections or, better yet, Directory. From there you should get to connection suggestions. I'd say they're even closer to what you're looking for if you fill out your profile first.
If you yourself are looking for connections, there's the Friendica Directory with , etc.
Lastly, Friendica isn't a "decentralised walled garden" that can only connect within. Friendica can connect to everything within the Fediverse, including Mastodon.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica The closest there is would be the Threadiverse: Lemmy, Mbin, PieFed. Technically all Reddit replacements. The latter two are probably even more appropriate because they've got somewhat better support for Fediverse software that isn't a Reddit clone.
You can join a Lemmy community, an Mbin magazine or a PieFed community with a Mastodon account by following it. Starting new threads is not "Mastodon 101" straight-forward because you have to take a few things into consideration (Mastodon has no real support for groups, that's why), but it's possible. And if you go over to Lemmy or Mbin or PieFed, all you see is groups, only groups and nothing but groups.
What you cannot do, however, is log onto a Lemmy, Mbin or PieFed instance with your Mastodon account and get your own personal, customisable feed. This is generally not how the Fediverse works. The only non-Mastodon place where you can "log in" with your Mastodon credentials and have a local user account automagically created with the self-same login credentials is Pixelfed.
Also, especially Lemmy is populated by 99% former Redditors. They haven't adopted Mastodon's culture just because they're in the Fediverse. Most of them barely know that Mastodon exists. Instead, Lemmy has Reddit's culture all over. Prepare for culture clashes with Mastodon users on the losing side because all mods are formerly from Reddit, too.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Threadiverse #Lemmy #Mbin #PieFed
Wenn du Neulinge verhtscheln und sie im Glauben lassen willst, das Fediverse sei ein einziger Twitter-Klon namens Mastodon, dann reicht es nicht, ihnen nicht die Wahrheit zu sagen. Du wirst die Wahrheit regelrecht von ihnen abschirmen mssen. Ich glaube, wir wissen alle, wie groe Erfolgschancen das hat.
Vor allem: Je lnger sie sich an ein Fediverse gewhnen, das nur Mastodon und nur ein Twitter-Klon ist, um so schlimmer wird es fr sie, wenn sie die Wahrheit erfahren.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NichtNurMastodon No need to create them. The Fediverse has multiple all-out, full-blown Facebook alternatives readily available already now. Not Facebook clones, but better than Facebook with features that you won't find on Facebook.
And yes, including groups on various levels of public vs private where public groups are open to the whole Fediverse including Mastodon.
All four were created by the same guy, Mike Macgirvin , professional software developer of about half a century, creator of multiple Fediverse protocols and almost a dozen Facebook alternatives in the Fediverse and inventor of .
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookGroups #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Fediverse Ein ganz groes Problem ist eben, da viele Neulinge hier aufschlagen in der Erwartung, da das Fediverse a) ein 1:1-Klon von dem ist, wo sie weg wollen (in den letzten Jahren meistens Twitter, allmhlich mehr und mehr Faceboook), und b) ein homogenes Gebilde, wo alles gleich ist.
Dann landen sie auf Mastodon, sind total verwirrt, weil es eben kein 1:1-Twitter-Klon ist und alles komisch und anders und "falsch" ist, und schreien nach Hilfe. Hilfe, damit Mastodon und "das Fediverse" zu dem Twitter-Klon wird, den sie erwartet haben.
Wenn man ihnen dann erklrt, da alleine schon Mastodon anders ist als Twitter und wie sie mit dieser Andersartigkeit produktiv umgehen knnen, dann ist das falsch und ignorant und berheblich, weil das nicht ist, was sie hren wollten.
Wenn man ihnen dann auch noch erklrt, da das ganze Fediverse nicht nur Mastodon und schon gar kein reiner, homogener Twitter-Klon ist, dann ist das nicht nur besserwisserisch, weil sie das auch nicht hren wollen, sondern regelrecht bergriffig.
Erst vor ein paar Tagen ist mir jemand ber den Weg gelaufen, der gerade frisch von auf Mastodon angekommen war. Der war nach Mastodon gekommen mit drei Vorstellungen bombenfest in seinem Kopf einbetoniert:
Allerdings mute er erst feststellen, da Mastodon eben nicht bis auf Musk mit Twitter identisch ist. Auerdem geriet er an genau die "richtigen" Leute und erfuhr, da das Fediverse nicht mal ausschlielich aus Mastodon besteht.
Ich habe noch nie erlebt, wie ein Fediverse-Neuankmmling so zutiefst schockiert ber diese Erkenntnisse war. Ich glaube, diesen Schock hat er bis heute nicht berwunden.
Auch wenn viele auf Mastodon das nicht verstehen und herunterspielen: Genau das passiert, wenn die Leute nicht erfahren, was das Fediverse ist, bevor sie sich auf Mastodon anmelden.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NichtNurMastodon Yes, Friendica supports groups, both public and private. A group is basically only another user account, but with a different settings preset.
Public groups can be joined by just about anyone in the Fediverse, including Mastodon users. (In case you didn't know yet, Friendica is federated with Mastodon.) Private groups can only be joined by Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) users.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #FacebookAlternative #FacebookGroups #FriendicaDer Pepe (Hubzilla) Mastodon hat ja einen HTML-"Sanitiser". Bis Mastodon 3 hat der alles an HTML rausgeschmissen und alle Posts von berallher in Reintext umgewandelt, weil Textformatierung in puristischem Microblogging angeblich nichts zu suchen hat. Seit Mastodon 4 "darf" Mastodon zumindest ein paar Formatierungsfeatures darstellen.
Ich wei aber nicht, wo der Sanitiser sitzt. Wenn er im Backend, sollten Posts von auerhalb auch auf der Mastodon-Weboberflche sichtbare HTML-Tags haben, weil er dann selbst eine Macke hat.
Wenn er aber im Frontend sitzt, dann mu jede Mastodon-App einen eigenen HTML-Sanitiser haben. Entweder den oder die Fhigkeit, HTML zu rendern. Dann sieht es fr mich eher so aus, als wre bis heute gegen die Annahme gebaut, da das Fediverse nur Mastodon ist und es daher im Fediverse keine Textformatierung gibt, nur Reintext.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #IceCubes #IceCubesApp It has been a while since I've last used Friendica I'm mostly on Hubzilla now plus a bit on (streams).
But AFAIK, all three let you post to certain connections, including to a specific circle (Friendica)/privacy group (Hubzilla)/access list ((streams)), basically something similar to Mastodon's lists. In either case, these posts and the whole threads are flagged not public, and especially Hubzilla and (streams) don't allow changing access permissions within a thread. Mastodon understands these limited-access posts as PMs.
In theory, it's possible to post "followers only" like on Mastodon: Create a circle/privacy group/access list, add all your contacts to it and send a post to this circle/privacy group/access list.
In addition, all three support something similar to Facebook groups which is a) moderated and b) optionally private, as in nobody can look inside from outside. On Friendica, a group is a user account which you have to register separately. Likewise, on Hubzilla and (streams), a forum or group is a channel with special settings, but instead of having to register a new account, you can create a new channel on your existing account next to your existing channel.
As for E2EE, neither supports any standard E2EE technology. Hubzilla and (streams) allow for conversations to be optionally encrypted. But: Only the transmission is encrypted. Encryption uses a passphrase rather than a private/public key pair. Both sides must have the encryption add-on activated, and it isn't even necessarily available on all server instances. Encryption may only work within Hubzilla and within (streams), but not between them. And, obviously, encryption does not work to the outside, e.g. Friendica or Mastodon.
Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) can replace Facebook, but not WhatsApp. That's what Matrix and XMPP are for.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Groups #PrivateGroups Possible solutions within the Fediverse:
Still, as a user on Friendica, Hubzilla or (streams), you can connect with the rest of the Fediverse, including Mastodon, so no need to have a Mastodon account for Mastodon connections and a Friendica account for Facebook escapees on Friendica.
(streams) is intentionally kept away from places like FediDB and Fediverse Observer, so don't bother looking for its few public instances. If you're still interested, ask me again.
Also, Friendica is the only one of the three with mobile apps. Hubzilla and (streams) can only be installed as PWAs.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Groups #PrivateGroups Eigentlich solltest du Friendica-Konten von jeder Mastodon-Instanz aus folgen knnen. Dafr wirst du nicht gro umziehen mssen, schon gar nicht nach Friendica.
Auch wenn Mastodon ein Twitter-Klon ist und Friendica eine Facebook-Alternative, kannst du trotzdem mit deinem Mastodon-Konto einfach einem Friendica-Konto folgen. Oder jedem anderen Konto auf jeder anderen Art von Server.
Falls dir das zu theoretisch ist, knnen wir das gerne mal in der Praxis durchspielen, damit du das direkt vor deinen Augen siehst, wie das passiert.
Ich will dafr jetzt nicht irgendjemanden auf Friendica mit reinziehen, also nehmen wir statt dessen meinen Hubzilla-Kanal. Ist dicht genug dran, denn Hubzilla fing mal an als Friendica-Fork von Friendicas eigenem Entwickler.
Jetzt sorgen wir mal zusammen dafr, wie du auf Mastodon mir auf Hubzilla folgst.
Kopier mal in deine Suche auf Mastodon folgendes rein:
Dann schieb mal die Suche an. Die sollte ein Ergebnis anzeigen, dem du folgen kannst. Auch wenn du es auf Mastodon siehst, ist es nicht auf Mastodon, sondern es ist mein Kanal auf Hubzilla.
Und dann folge dem mal.
Falls dich das noch nicht berzeugt, knnen wir das auch mit (streams) durchspielen. Das ist wieder vom selben Entwickler und noch ein paar Forks spter, aber immer noch ziemlich nah an Friendica dran.
Weil ich wei, da du Memes magst, such dieses Mal nach dem hier:
Dahinter verbirgt sich brigens mein .
Und versuch wieder, dem zu folgen.
brigens: Mit folgst du schon jemandem auf Friendica, und mit Der Pepe (Hubzilla) folgst du demselben auf Hubzilla. Vielleicht hast du es einfach noch nicht gemerkt, weil das alles fr dich auch nicht anders aussah als Mastodon. Aber guck dir mal beide jeweils an der Quelle an und sag mir: Sieht das wie Mastodon aus
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) You can forget diaspora* for two reasons.
One, it isn't connected to most of the Fediverse. Friendica, Hubzilla and Socialhome have support for diaspora*'s own protocol, to this day, diaspora* refuses to adopt ActivityPub. So it can't connect to anything else like Mastodon.
Two, it looks like it's going under anyway. At the end of December, multiple big pods were shut down. According to some statistics, diaspora* lost more half of its users within a few days.
Apart from this, while diaspora* may have the better UI, it won't offer you nearly the features you'll even find on Friendica, much less its descendants.
At the end of the day, what could be useful for you depends on what you need, for Friendica is not the only alternative to Facebook and diaspora* it's just the only one that's the talk of the town. There's also from 2015 which the vast majority of the Fediverse has never heard of, and there's officially nameless , the newest of the bunch from 2021, which is almost entirely unknown outside of Hubzilla, but still worth a look.
First things first: All three are part of the Fediverse all the same. All three support ActivityPub, only that you'll first have to activate it on your new Hubzilla channel.
So the first question is: Do you absolutely need a native mobile app Because that's only available for Friendica. Hubzilla and (streams) can be installed as Progressive Web Apps if your device supports it, but some people find that too complicated and/or need a native mobile UI and/or need something they can pull from an app store.
But if you're a desktop user, or if you aren't afraid of using a Web interface (which adapts well to mobile) on a mobile device, either in a browser or as a PWA, the other two may be worth a look.
If you don't mind a little bit more of a learning curve, if you prefer Markdown or HTML for formatting over BBcode, if you'd like to have a WebDAV file server, a CalDAV calendar server and a CardDAV addressbook server along with your Facebook alternative, if you want fine-grained control over who is permitted to do what, and if you're at least looking forward to securing your channel against server shutdown with nomadic identity, then (streams) may be something for you.
You won't find it on any instance lists it's intentionally being kept away from them. But there are currently only two public, open-registration instances that I could recommend. One, in the USA, is , run by Waitman Gobble. The other one, in Hungary, is , run by Der Pepe (Hubzilla) or rather Der Pepe (nomd) who also has two Hubzilla hubs. Both instances are probably very silent now, especially Nomd where Pepe is the only user. But if I get more people to join them, this may change.
If you want another look from a guest's point of view, feel free to check my two (streams) channels (I got the account by invite): Jupiter Rowland's (streams) outlet uses the day mode of the Fresh theme, Jupiter's Fedi-Memes on (streams) uses its night mode.
Well, and if you aren't afraid of an even steeper learning curve and an even more complex UI, if you don't mind BBcode, if you still want fine-grained permission controls, if you want nomadic identity now, if you think you can need diaspora* connectivity, if you want to be able to subscribe to RSS and Atom feeds, or if you want extra CMS-like features (articles, cards, wikis, even webpages), Hubzilla may be more to your liking.
In addition to the hubs listed on and (10.0.6 is the current stable and recommended version), Scott M. Stolz is working on launching a number of new US-based hubs.
Last but not least, the three support groups:
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #diaspora* #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams)Im Fediverse ist die Hlle los. Das, worauf wir seit 2010 warten, ist eingetreten: Facebook steht kurz davor, so unertrglich zu werden, da Leute von da abhauen wollen.
Daran sind aber einige Gruppierungen im Fediverse beteiligt.
Zunchst einmal wrde die Friendica-Community am liebsten mglichst viele Facebook-Nutzer nach Friendica holen, das ja 2010 ausdrcklich als Facebook-Alternative an den Start ging. Das knnen sie aber nicht, weil keiner der Friendica-Veteranen mehr auf Facebook ist.
Statt dessen wollen berraschend viele Mastodon-Nutzer Facebook-Nutzer nach Friendica einladen. Wohlgemerkt, das bis vor kurzem noch ein direkter Mastodon-Konkurrent war. Massenweise Mastodon-Nutzer senden jetzt Hilferufe in den ther, weil sie selbst von Friendica ber den Namen hinaus keine Ahnung haben.
Und dann gibt's natrlich die, die Facebook-Leute nach Mastodon holen wollen. Zu einem Mchtegern-Twitter-Klon. Da gibt's tatschlich vier Sorten:
Genau wie die Friendica-Community wartet auch die Hubzilla-Community schon lange auf genau das, was jetzt passiert. Sie geht tatschlich sogar in einen direkten Konkurrenzkampf gegen Friendica.
Der groe Unterschied ist allerdings, da Friendica besser vorbereitet ist. Es hat eine leichtere Oberflche, es hat bessere offizielle Dokumentation, und vor allem hat es native Smartphone-Apps. Als Rckfalleben gibt's sogar die Mastodon-Client-API, obwohl Mastodon-Apps keine 10% von Friendicas Funktionsumfang abdecken. Aber sogar auf Facebook sind viele Nutzer hart abhngig von einer Smartphone-App, die sie aus dem Apple App Store oder dem Google Play Store installieren knnen. Wenn es fr etwas keine App gibt, existiert es fr sie nicht.
Derweil versucht die Hubzilla-Community, Facebook-Nutzer auf ein Hubzilla zu holen, das sogar fr Umsteiger von Friendica nicht bereit ist, geschweige denn fr solche von Facebook. Es baut immer noch auf einer Idee vom Fediverse von 2012 auf, einer Vision eines Grid aus Hubzilla-Hubs, an das alles, womit Hubzilla sich sonst noch so verbinden kann, als Satelliten angehngt ist, und das Friendica obsolet macht. Diese Vision ist durch den Erfolg von Mastodon selbst veraltet.
Hubzilla ist so komplex, da sogar Veteranen immer wieder neue Sachen lernen, die es schon seit Jahren gibt. Aber die eingebaute Dokumentation ist lckenhaft, hoffnungslos veraltet und vielfach schlicht und ergreifend fehlerhaft. Sie wird gerade neu geschrieben, aber die aktuelle Version gibt's nur auf , und selbst der, der sie schreibt, lernt immer noch Neues ber Hubzilla.
Hubzilla ist voller Hrden fr Neulinge. Es wird gern angepriesen als mit dem ganzen Fediverse verbunden, aber in Wahrheit ist ActivityPub in neuen Kanlen deaktiviert, weil nomadische Identitt damit nicht gut klarkommt. Nicht nur da, sondern statt einfach einen Schalter in den Einstellungen umzulegen, mu man eine "App" "installieren", um Mastodon-Konten folgen zu knnen. Und wenn du als Hubzilla-Newbie einfach so mit Standardeinstellungen lospostest, werden deine Posts wahrscheinlich nicht mal ffentlich sein. Es dauert eine ganze Weile, um einen Hubzilla-Kanal so einzustellen, da er ordentlich funktioniert.
Aber die grte Hrde ist immer noch das fast vllige Fehlen einer Smartphone-App. Es gibt zwar eine App names Nomad. Aber die gibt's nur fr Android. Auf F-Droid. Die benutzt hauptschlich die Weboberflche, statt eine eigene native Mobiloberflche zu haben. Und sie ist seit fnf Jahren unangetastet und kann auf neueren Gerten nicht mal mehr installiert werden. Natrlich kann man Hubzilla auch als Progressive Web App installieren. Aber der durchschnittliche Facebook-Nutzer hat noch nie von Progressive Web Apps gehrt und braucht etwas, was er aus dem Apple App Store oder Google Play Store installieren kann.
Ehrlich gesagt wrde ich sogar sagen, da es fr Facebook-Umsteiger einfacher wre, nach (streams) umzusteigen als nach Hubzilla. Es ist verschlankt, und das war tatschlich schon die erste Generation an Hubzilla-Forks. Es ist moderner und mehr ans heutige Fediverse angepat, weil die Entwicklung von allem nach Hubzilla nicht dadurch ausgebremst wurde, da so ein Software-Monster mitgeschleift werden mute. Es ist immer noch komplex, es ist immer noch mindestens so sicher wie Hubzilla, aber es ist einfacher zu handhaben, weil es darauf ausgelegt ist, was heutzutage in der tglichen Handhabung tatschlich gebraucht wird.
Und trotzdem herrscht in der kleinen (streams)-Community Stille. In der offiziellen (streams)-Gruppe habe ich noch keine Regungen gesehen bezglich Einladen von Facebook-Nutzern nach (streams). Ich glaube nicht, da die gesamte (streams)-Community hinterm Mond lebt und die bevorstehende Facebook-Auswanderungswelle erst noch bemerken mu.
Vielleicht sind sich der Hindernisse wie dem Fehlen von Smartphone-Apps fr (streams) noch mehr bewut. Vielleicht trauen sie keinem neuen (streams)-Nutzer, der nicht vorher durch die Hubzilla-Schule gegangen ist. Vielleicht sind sie selbst nicht sicher, ob (streams) inzwischen wieder stabil genug ist.
Aber vielleicht liegt das schlicht und ergreifend daran, da man auf (streams) kaum ein Zuhause finden kann. Das Problem ist nicht, da (streams)-Instanzen notorisch schwer zu finden sind, weil es auerhalb von (streams) selbst nirgendwo Listen ffentlicher (streams)-Instanzen gibt. Das Problem ist eher, da es von vornherein kaum (streams)-Instanzen gibt.
Meines Erachtens gibt's drei ffentliche (streams)-Instanzen mit offener Registrierung. Eine ist Rumbly in den USA, das um einiges mehr an Nutzern aufnehmen knnte, als es hat. Eine ist die neue Inkarnation von Nomd in Ungarn, die aber keiner kennt. Und die dritte ist Diversi Spiritus in Brasilien, das in den letzten Monaten derartig viele Probleme hatte, da ich niemandem empfehlen wrde, sich da zu registrieren, auch weil der Admin schon mit dem Gedanken gespielt hat, die ganze Instanz plattzumachen und neu aufzusetzen.
Das heit, vielleicht schaffe ich es ja doch, jemanden dazu zu bringen, von Facebook nach (streams) umzusteigen. Irgendwo mu man ja anfangen.
Na ja, und zu guter Letzt sind da die, die allen Ernstes Leute von Facebook ausgerechnet nach Bluesky einladen wollen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Bluesky #Fediverse #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams)Im Fediverse ist die Hlle los. Das, worauf wir seit 2010 warten, ist eingetreten: Facebook steht kurz davor, so unertrglich zu werden, da Leute von da abhauen wollen.
Daran sind aber einige Gruppierungen im Fediverse beteiligt.
Zunchst einmal wrde die Friendica-Community am liebsten mglichst viele Facebook-Nutzer nach Friendica holen, das ja 2010 ausdrcklich als Facebook-Alternative an den Start ging. Das knnen sie aber nicht, weil keiner der Friendica-Veteranen mehr auf Facebook ist.
Statt dessen wollen berraschend viele Mastodon-Nutzer Facebook-Nutzer nach Friendica einladen. Wohlgemerkt, das bis vor kurzem noch ein direkter Mastodon-Konkurrent war. Massenweise Mastodon-Nutzer senden jetzt Hilferufe in den ther, weil sie selbst von Friendica ber den Namen hinaus keine Ahnung haben.
Und dann gibt's natrlich die, die Facebook-Leute nach Mastodon holen wollen. Zu einem Mchtegern-Twitter-Klon. Da gibt's tatschlich vier Sorten:
Genau wie die Friendica-Community wartet auch die Hubzilla-Community schon lange auf genau das, was jetzt passiert. Sie geht tatschlich sogar in einen direkten Konkurrenzkampf gegen Friendica.
Der groe Unterschied ist allerdings, da Friendica besser vorbereitet ist. Es hat eine leichtere Oberflche, es hat bessere offizielle Dokumentation, und vor allem hat es native Smartphone-Apps. Als Rckfalleben gibt's sogar die Mastodon-Client-API, obwohl Mastodon-Apps keine 10% von Friendicas Funktionsumfang abdecken. Aber sogar auf Facebook sind viele Nutzer hart abhngig von einer Smartphone-App, die sie aus dem Apple App Store oder dem Google Play Store installieren knnen. Wenn es fr etwas keine App gibt, existiert es fr sie nicht.
Derweil versucht die Hubzilla-Community, Facebook-Nutzer auf ein Hubzilla zu holen, das sogar fr Umsteiger von Friendica nicht bereit ist, geschweige denn fr solche von Facebook. Es baut immer noch auf einer Idee vom Fediverse von 2012 auf, einer Vision eines Grid aus Hubzilla-Hubs, an das alles, womit Hubzilla sich sonst noch so verbinden kann, als Satelliten angehngt ist, und das Friendica obsolet macht. Diese Vision ist durch den Erfolg von Mastodon selbst veraltet.
Hubzilla ist so komplex, da sogar Veteranen immer wieder neue Sachen lernen, die es schon seit Jahren gibt. Aber die eingebaute Dokumentation ist lckenhaft, hoffnungslos veraltet und vielfach schlicht und ergreifend fehlerhaft. Sie wird gerade neu geschrieben, aber die aktuelle Version gibt's nur auf , und selbst der, der sie schreibt, lernt immer noch Neues ber Hubzilla.
Hubzilla ist voller Hrden fr Neulinge. Es wird gern angepriesen als mit dem ganzen Fediverse verbunden, aber in Wahrheit ist ActivityPub in neuen Kanlen deaktiviert, weil nomadische Identitt damit nicht gut klarkommt. Nicht nur da, sondern statt einfach einen Schalter in den Einstellungen umzulegen, mu man eine "App" "installieren", um Mastodon-Konten folgen zu knnen. Und wenn du als Hubzilla-Newbie einfach so mit Standardeinstellungen lospostest, werden deine Posts wahrscheinlich nicht mal ffentlich sein. Es dauert eine ganze Weile, um einen Hubzilla-Kanal so einzustellen, da er ordentlich funktioniert.
Aber die grte Hrde ist immer noch das fast vllige Fehlen einer Smartphone-App. Es gibt zwar eine App names Nomad. Aber die gibt's nur fr Android. Auf F-Droid. Die benutzt hauptschlich die Weboberflche, statt eine eigene native Mobiloberflche zu haben. Und sie ist seit fnf Jahren unangetastet und kann auf neueren Gerten nicht mal mehr installiert werden. Natrlich kann man Hubzilla auch als Progressive Web App installieren. Aber der durchschnittliche Facebook-Nutzer hat noch nie von Progressive Web Apps gehrt und braucht etwas, was er aus dem Apple App Store oder Google Play Store installieren kann.
Ehrlich gesagt wrde ich sogar sagen, da es fr Facebook-Umsteiger einfacher wre, nach (streams) umzusteigen als nach Hubzilla. Es ist verschlankt, und das war tatschlich schon die erste Generation an Hubzilla-Forks. Es ist moderner und mehr ans heutige Fediverse angepat, weil die Entwicklung von allem nach Hubzilla nicht dadurch ausgebremst wurde, da so ein Software-Monster mitgeschleift werden mute. Es ist immer noch komplex, es ist immer noch mindestens so sicher wie Hubzilla, aber es ist einfacher zu handhaben, weil es darauf ausgelegt ist, was heutzutage in der tglichen Handhabung tatschlich gebraucht wird.
Und trotzdem herrscht in der kleinen (streams)-Community Stille. In der offiziellen (streams)-Gruppe habe ich noch keine Regungen gesehen bezglich Einladen von Facebook-Nutzern nach (streams). Ich glaube nicht, da die gesamte (streams)-Community hinterm Mond lebt und die bevorstehende Facebook-Auswanderungswelle erst noch bemerken mu.
Vielleicht sind sich der Hindernisse wie dem Fehlen von Smartphone-Apps fr (streams) noch mehr bewut. Vielleicht trauen sie keinem neuen (streams)-Nutzer, der nicht vorher durch die Hubzilla-Schule gegangen ist. Vielleicht sind sie selbst nicht sicher, ob (streams) inzwischen wieder stabil genug ist.
Aber vielleicht liegt das schlicht und ergreifend daran, da man auf (streams) kaum ein Zuhause finden kann. Das Problem ist nicht, da (streams)-Instanzen notorisch schwer zu finden sind, weil es auerhalb von (streams) selbst nirgendwo Listen ffentlicher (streams)-Instanzen gibt. Das Problem ist eher, da es von vornherein kaum (streams)-Instanzen gibt.
Meines Erachtens gibt's drei ffentliche (streams)-Instanzen mit offener Registrierung. Eine ist Rumbly in den USA, das um einiges mehr an Nutzern aufnehmen knnte, als es hat. Eine ist die neue Inkarnation von Nomd in Ungarn, die aber keiner kennt. Und die dritte ist Diversi Spiritus in Brasilien, das in den letzten Monaten derartig viele Probleme hatte, da ich niemandem empfehlen wrde, sich da zu registrieren, auch weil der Admin schon mit dem Gedanken gespielt hat, die ganze Instanz plattzumachen und neu aufzusetzen.
Das heit, vielleicht schaffe ich es ja doch, jemanden dazu zu bringen, von Facebook nach (streams) umzusteigen. Irgendwo mu man ja anfangen.
Na ja, und zu guter Letzt sind da die, die allen Ernstes Leute von Facebook ausgerechnet nach Bluesky einladen wollen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Bluesky #Fediverse #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams)All hell has broken loose in the Fediverse. What we have been waiting for since 2010 has happened: Facebook is about to become so unbearable that people want to leave.
But there are several Fediverse factions involved in this.
First of all, the Friendica community would love to migrate as many Facebook users as possible to Friendica which was launched in 2010 explicitly as an alternative to Facebook. But they can't because none of the Friendica veterans is on Facebook anymore.
Instead, surprisingly many Mastodon users want to invite Facebook users over to Friendica. Which, until now, has been considered direct competition for Mastodon. There are lots of Mastodon users shouting their requests for help into the void because they don't know Friendica beyond its name.
And then, of course, there are those who want to pull Facebook folks over to Mastodon. To a wannabe Twitter clone. In fact, there are four such factions:
Just like for the Friendica community, this is what the Hubzilla community has been waiting for, too. In fact, they're going into direct competition against Friendica now.
The big difference, however, is that Friendica is better-prepared. It has an easier UI, it has better official documentation, and above all, it has native mobile apps available. There's even the Mastodon client API as a fallback, although Mastodon apps don't even cover 10% of Friendica's features. But even on Facebook, many users rely hard on a phone app that they can pull from the Apple App Store or the Google Play Store. If there's no app for it, it doesn't exist to them.
Meanwhile, the Hubzilla community is trying hard to get Facebook users to join a Hubzilla that's entirely unprepared even for converts from Friendica, much less Facebook. It's still built on an idea of the Fediverse from 2012, the vision of a grid of Hubzilla hubs with everything else that Hubzilla connects to as satellites which would render Friendica obsolete. This vision itself became obsolete with Mastodon's success.
Hubzilla is so complex that even veterans keep learning new things about it which have been there for years already. But the built-in documentation is spotty, hopelessly outdated and in many cases simply wrong. It's being rewritten, but the current version is only available on , and even the guy who writes it keeps learning new stuff about Hubzilla.
Hubzilla is full of obstacles for newbies. It is being marketed as connected to the whole Fediverse, but actually, ActivityPub is off on new channels because it doesn't play along well with nomadic identity. Not only that, but instead of just flicking a switch in the configuration, you have to "install" an "app" to be able to follow Mastodon accounts. On top of that, if you as a Hubzilla newbie start posting away on default settings, your posts probably won't even be public. It takes quite a while to set a Hubzilla channel up so that it works properly.
But the biggest obstacle is the almost total lack of a mobile app. There is one that's called Nomad. But it's only available for Android. Only on F-Droid. Instead of being fully native, it mostly uses the Web interface. And it hasn't been maintained in over five years, so it can't even be installed on newer devices. Sure, you can install Hubzilla as a progressive Web app. But the average Facebook user has never heard of progressive Web apps, and they want something that they can install from the Apple App Store or the Google Play Store.
To be honest, I'd say that it's even easier for Facebook converts to get into (streams) than into Hubzilla. It's slimmed down, in fact, the first generation of Hubzilla forks already was. It's more modern and more adapted to today's Fediverse because the development of everything post-Hubzilla wasn't slowed down by having to drag such a software monster along. It's still complex, it's still at least as secure as Hubzilla, but it's easier to handle because it's built upon what's actually needed in today's daily operation.
And still, the small (streams) community stays mum. I've yet to see any activity in the official (streams) group regarding inviting Facebook users over to (streams). I don't think that the whole (streams) community is living under a rock and has yet to notice the imminent Facebook migration wave.
Maybe it's because they're even more aware of obstacles such as the total lack of mobile apps for (streams). Maybe it's because they don't trust any new (streams) user who hasn't gone through the Hubzilla school first. Maybe it's because they themselves aren't sure whether (streams) is stable enough again.
But maybe it's simply because there's hardly anywhere to go on (streams). The issue isn't that (streams) instances are notoriously hard to find because they aren't listed anywhere outside (streams) itself. The issue is that there are hardly any to begin with.
I think there are three public, open-registration (streams) instances. One is Rumbly in the USA which could handle a whole lot more users than it has. One is the new incarnation of Nomd in Hungary which nobody even knows of. And the third one is Diversi Spiritus in Brazil which had so many issues over the last months that I really wouldn't recommend anyone to join it, also because its admin has repeatedly been taking wiping it clean and re-installing it into consideration.
That is, maybe I'll actually succeed in getting someone to move from Facebook to (streams). You have to start somewhere.
Well, and finally, there are those who seriously want to invite Facebook refugees over to Bluesky out of all places.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Bluesky #Fediverse #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) If people depend hard on phone apps, if they aren't willing to use any Web interface in any browser, and if nobody knows what a progressive Web is, then Friendica is without any competition. There's better Facebook replacement than Friendica, but it's more complex and harder to get into, and there are no phone apps for it.
Recommended phone app for Friendica would be RaccoonForFriendica.
Also, those who have made it over may want to join the Friendica group .
Lastly, remember: All this is the Fediverse. Friendica and Mastodon aren't two separate networks, they are bidirectionally connected and federated.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #RaccoonForFriendica Ich kann nur raten, aber ich schtze: Mastodon soll Twitter ersetzen, Friendica soll Facebook ersetzen, Pixelfed soll Instagram ersetzen.
Aber ich wei aus Erfahrung, da es Leute gibt, die unmittelbar nach Musks bernahme von Twitter nach Mastodon gekommen sind und bis heute nicht verstanden haben, wie das Fediverse funktioniert. Fr die ist es komplett unvorstellbar, da man mit einem Twitter-Ersatz einem Facebook-Ersatz oder einem YouTube-Ersatz folgen kann. Auch wenn sie das wahrscheinlich schon lngst tun, ohne es je gemerkt zu haben.
Fr Friendica gibt's auf jeden Fall einen WordPress-Crossposter, falls dein Blog da sein sollte oder technisch kompatibel. Frag mich aber nicht, wie der funktioniert und ob der immer alle deine Posts nach WordPress spiegelt auch wenn Hubzilla (da bin ich) auch einen hat, habe ich den nie benutzt.
Aber aus Sicht von Veteranen wie , die nicht von Musk von Twitter nach Mastodon verjagt worden sind, ist dein Mastodon-Konto jetzt eigentlich ber. Was du mit Mastodon machen kannst, kannst du auch mit Friendica machen, mit denselben Verbindungen (also auch mit Mastodon-Followers auf Friendica), und zwar sogar noch viel besser.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Friendica
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Streams #(streams) #NomadicIdentity #FacebookAlternative A few additions:
- (official Misskey server list alternative to and Threads caution: misskey.io is blocked by almost all western Fediverse instances)
- (official Friendica node list alternative to Facebook)
- (known instances of a (streams) instance filtered for (streams) instances alternative to Facebook)
- (official Mbin server list alternative to Reddit and Hacker News)
- (official PieFed instance list alternative to Reddit and Hacker News)
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Instances #FediverseInstances #Misskey #Friendica #Streams #(streams) #Mbin #PieFed That'd be an as-of-yet untouched use-case for Hubzilla.
Set up a channel just for the Constitution. Put it on a series of webpages. Or articles. Or cards. Or into a wiki for everyone's navigation convenience. Next, clone the channel across hubs under various jurisdictions on various continents, just in case.
It doesn't really federate onto people's timelines because there's no point in following it. But still, it's next to impossible to wipe out. Need a new copy Just clone it again.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #USPol #Constitution #CWUSPol Not the alternative. But the oldest from a whole family of alternatives, all from the same developer, that spans 14 years of development.
It's just that, while Friendica is obscure (although it has been around since 2010), Hubzilla (from 2012/2015) is much more obscure, (streams) (from 2021) is almost entirely unknown outside of the Hubzilla community, and Forte (from last August) is still experimental.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte
I don't want to add yet another thing - do you know of any other site where people can simply ask questions and/or look at already answered questions (without needing another account)
Some Fediverse server applications that have built-in support for groups/forums have their own support groups/forums which you can (and have to) join to ask for support for these specific applications.
Friendica:
Hubzilla: Hubzilla Support Forum (and various others which are practically inactive)
(streams): Streams
I don't know of any such groups for the Fediverse in general. But then again, today's Fediverse is still absolutely Mastodon-centric, and Mastodon doesn't even know what a group is.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #FediverseSupport #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) Friendica is growing significantly, but significantly by Friendica's standards. For one, that's because Friendica is too unknown in today's Fediverse, and so, many Mastodon users are pulling Facebook users to Mastodon because they don't know any better. Besides, Facebook users are a great deal less willing to leave than Instagram or Threads users.
I mean, Friendica is measured by Mastodon's standards. If it doesn't have hundreds of thousands of registered users and big instances with at least tens of thousands of registered users, it's tiny. But Friendica doesn't want to have gigantic, semi-monolithic lighthouse nodes. And in fact, it's a Friendica tradition to purge accounts that have been inactive for long enough.
Friendica's culture is much, much different from Mastodon's culture. But it's also much, much older than Mastodon's culture.
As for Hubzilla, at least three out of four Fediverse users have never even heard or read the name. Even most of those who have heard of Friendica think that Friendica is the only one of its kind in the Fediverse.
If you ask me, (streams) would make for an even better Facebook alternative than Hubzilla, and I use both (and write to you from Hubzilla now). But (streams) is even more obscure. It's only known by Hubzilla users and its own users, and everyone on (streams) either used to be or still is on Hubzilla. And unless they actually use (streams), they don't know more than its name and that it has lost some Hubzilla features, and that's all. It doesn't help that it's almost impossible to find the two public, open-registration (streams) instances.
Okay, another obstacle may be phone apps. There is no dedicated iOS app for Friendica yet, at least no stable release, so you'd have to make do with an app made for Mastodon. For Hubzilla, the only existing app is on F-Droid, has been unmaintained for over five years and mostly uses the Web interface. For (streams), there are no apps at all. All three can be installed as progressive Web apps, but 99.99% of all smartphone users don't even know what that is and require something they can pull from an app store.
Lastly, none of the three is the outright Facebook clone that many want to have, and so they all have a learning curve that's steeper than Mastodon's or Pixelfed's. But then again, Facebook itself is from a time before everything had to be a no-brainer geared towards total dumb-dumbs, and so Facebook itself has a learning curve which long-time Facebook users have totally forgotten about.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) Let's see.
Friendica: created by a professional software developer with three decades of experience
Mastodon: created by a kid almost fresh out of school
Friendica: adheres to ActivityPub standards
Mastodon: flips the bird at standards, keeps developing its own proprietary and non-standard things and tries to force them upon the rest of the Fediverse
Friendica: aims to connect not only to the whole Fediverse and support it, but also to connect to a whole lot of things outside the ActivityPub-based Fediverse
Mastodon: seemingly intentionally makes everything that isn't Mastodon look broken or faulty
Friendica: shows you what server software a post, a comment or a DM came from
Mastodon: tries to make everyone believe that everything in the Fediverse is from Mastodon
Friendica: counts your unread items
Mastodon: doesn't know the concept of "unread" you scroll down your timeline until you want no more, and you'll never know what you've never read although you should have
Friendica: conversations are enclosed objects with one (1) post at the top and otherwise any number of comments
Mastodon: doesn't know what conversations are, strings threads loosely together from posts and more posts
Friendica: timeline full of conversations with post and usually all comments
Mastodon: piecemeal timeline full of single posts which may or may not have replies, and which may or may not be replies
Friendica: can both (optionally) send and properly render long-form Article-type objects
Mastodon: staunchly refuses to even render Article-type objects and turns them into links
You've already mentioned this:
Friendica: practically unlimited post length
Mastodon: 500 characters unless the admin hacks into the source code
Friendica: has titles
Mastodon: doesn't know what titles are
Friendica: can create the whole shebang of text formatting
Mastodon: can only create plain text and render a small subset of text formatting options
Friendica: take as many images as you want and embed them anywhere in your post in-line
Mastodon: only supports images as file attachments and only four of these, refuses to render in-line images
Friendica: built-in file space with its own file manager from which you can attach e.g. images and other media to your posts
Mastodon: your file attachments land somewhere that you can't see
Friendica: has had group support and built-in groups since its beginnings, but also recognises and supports group actors from elsewhere, e.g. Guppe groups, Hubzilla forums, (streams) groups, Forte groups, Lemmy communities, Mbin magazines, PieFed communities
Mastodon: doesn't know what groups are, doesn't recognise them when it comes across them and doesn't know what to do with them
Friendica: has at least rudimentary permissions control
Mastodon: doesn't know what permissions are only knows a few privacy levels for posts, hiding your profile and hiding your contacts, that's all takes everything from Friendica, Hubzilla & Co. that isn't fully public as a PM because it doesn't know what else to do with it
Friendica: has had well-integrated circles since before diaspora* had aspects which Google+ ripped off as circles
Mastodon: had a clunky and user-unfriendly list feature glued on after the fact
Friendica: you can post only to the members of a circle, only they can see your post, only they can interact with your post, they can also interact with each other's comments
Mastodon: you can't post only to the members of a list
Friendica: built-in directory plus contact suggestions based on similarities in profiles and/or common connections, just like on Facebook
Mastodon: no directory, most servers require you to use the search to find new contacts, doesn't even have the profile fields for Facebook-level contact suggestions
Friendica: built-in federated event calendar
Mastodon: can't handle events
Friendica: can automatically generate reader-side content warnings for you individually from a list of keywords this has been deepy engrained into Friendica's culture for over a decade
Mastodon: uses the summary field for CWs that are forced upon everyone can use its filters to generate CWs like Friendica, but nobody knows, and this will never become part of Mastodon's culture
Friendica: community is open and friendly towards everyone who is open and friendly, no matter where they are, including non-ActivityPub places like diaspora*, because connecting with the whole world is one of Friendica's goals users are only irritated by obnoxious Mastodon fundamentalists
Mastodon: community is only open and friendly towards those who act like they're on Mastodon or even only who are on Mastodon its culture is openly and unabashedly hostile against everything in the Fediverse that doesn't work exactly like Mastodon to the point of this hostility becoming part of Mastodon's culture users may attack and/or block you for as little as posting over 500 characters at once or otherwise doing things not the Mastodon way
Friendica: users are aware of the extents of the Fediverse and eager to connect to everywhere, even including beyond ActivityPub
Mastodon: every other user thinks the Fediverse is Mastodon
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Friendica
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Hashtags haben hier verschiedene Funktionen.Zunchst einmal ganz klassisch Auffindbarkeit von Beitrgen durch Suche. Dazu zhlt auch, da einige Fediverse-Serveranwendungen es auf verschiedene Arten mglich machen, Hashtags zu folgen, darunter auch Mastodon.
Hashtags sind aber auch ntzlich, um unerwnschten Content loszuwerden bzw. anderen dabei zu helfen, den eigenen Content loszuwerden, fr die er unerwnscht ist. Sie knnen z. B. gefiltert werden, und man kann beim Schreiben von Posts Hashtags nutzen, um Schlsselwrter zum Filtern elegant in Posts unterzubringen.
Es gibt auch an einigen Orten die Mglichkeit, mit Schlsselwortlisten Inhalte leserseitig automatisiert hinter Inhaltswarnungen zu verbergen. Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) und Forte haben das seit Anbeginn (2010, 2012, 2021, 2024), und was viele nicht zu wissen scheinen (oder es ist einfach nicht Teil von Mastodons Kultur), auch Mastodon hat diese Mglichkeit Ende 2022 in seine Filter eingebaut. Auch das kann man mit Hashtags untersttzen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Hashtags
They all function the same way right
Nope, they can be fundamentally different underneath.
For example, just about everything that does micro- and/or macroblogging and that isn't Mastodon has an understanding of conversations to some degree. On Friendica, conversations are always objects which are one (1) post plus any number of comments.
Same on its descendants, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte which even have (they originated on (streams)). They can also have , they offer , and they have that combines with .
In fact, Hubzilla and (streams) aren't even based on ActivityPub. Hubzilla is based on an older version of the Nomad protocol which uses the Zot6 libraries ActivityPub is implemented via an add-on which is and . (streams) is based on the current version of Nomad ActivityPub is integrated into the core and optional and on by default on both server and channel level.
I guess it's obvious that none of this happens in the graphical frontend.
Or to come back to videos: Sure, you may be able to upload a video to Mastodon as a file attachment. But unlike PeerTube, Mastodon cannot actually stream videos from a channel, much less spread the load across multiple server instances using peer-to-peer technology.
(If you thought until now that the Fediverse only consists of Mastodon, Pixelfed and Loops, I'd like to know.)
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #FediverseYesterday 15 years ago, was officially launched and connected to the Hypergrid. Today it is the oldest still existing German grid, the third-oldest grid overall and the only German grid that has ever managed to exist for 15 years. Starting today and until Sunday, this anniversary will be celebrated with four days of live and DJ events.
Notes
Event language is German. In-world translators will be provided for chat.
Thursday, January 16th
- 08:00 PM CET
11:00 grid time
Humourous presentation by Kueperpunk Korhonen - 09:00 PM CET
12:00 grid time
DJ Rubeus Helgerud - 10:00 PM CET
13:00 grid time
DJ Akira
Event location: Festival stage, , Dorenas World
hop://dorenas-world.de:8002/Landing/141/145/23
Friday, January 17th
- 07:00 PM CET-12:00 AM CET
10:00-15:00 grid time
DJ Anachron Young
Event location: Rock-House, , Dorenas World (in-door)
hop://dorenas-world.de:8002/Nihilon/217/167/23
Saturday, January 18th
- Before and afterwards
DJ and moderation by Anachron Young - 08:00 PM CET
11:00 grid time
Wolem Wobbit live - When Wolem is done
DJ Sylvia Koeln
Event location: Festival stage, , Dorenas World
hop://dorenas-world.de:8002/Landing/141/145/23
Sunday, January 19th
- Before and afterwards
DJ and moderation by Anachron Young - 06:00 PM CET
09:00 grid time
John Winston Vandyke live - 08:00 PM CET
11:00 grid time
live
Event location: Festival stage, , Dorenas World
hop://dorenas-world.de:8002/Landing/141/145/23
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #VirtualEvent #GridAnniversary #DorenasWorld I guess the majority of Mastodon users still thinks the Fediverse equals Mastodon, although their number may be shrinking.
Others may think that Friendica has only just been created because the Fediverse needed a Facebook equivalent. Little do they know that Friendica is the oldest still existing Fediverse server application, launched in July, 2010. And Friendica's own creator has made a whole number of forks and forks of forks of Friendica over all these years.
This means that Friendica is not the only Facebook equivalent in the Fediverse, nor is it the most powerful piece of server software in the Fediverse.
For starters, there is also after its . It's from late 2021, and it's a fork of a fork of three forks of a fork (of a fork) of a fork of Friendica.
It's more advanced than Friendica, it offers more control over permissions than Friendica, but it doesn't quite offer Friendica's connection options (no diaspora*, no OStatus, no Bluesky, no Tumblr, no WordPress crossposter, no LiveJournal crossposter, no XMPP-compatible chat...), and it doesn't offer multiple profiles per channel. But it does offer , and it offers .
Like Friendica, it offers groups at various levels of public vs private. The permissions system makes it possible to appoint additional admins as moderators for groups.
Its learning curve is another bit steeper than Friendica's, and Friendica's learning curve is already steeper than Mastodon's.
Don't go looking for instance lists. (streams) is intentionally kept away from instance list sites, and it intentionally doesn't send any statistics either. There are currently only two public, open-registration instances: in the USA and in Hungary with a German admin who also speaks English.
Also, there are no phone apps for (streams), and it doesn't work with Mastodon apps. Your only options are the Web interface in a browser of the Web interface as a progressive Web app.
And the absolute feature monster in the Fediverse is from 2015 which emerged from a Friendica fork from 2012. It offers some of Friendica's connection options, but everything that isn't Hubzilla's own Zot6, even ActivityPub, is optional and off by default for new channels. Hubzilla is where .
Like (streams) which is a Hubzilla descendant, Hubzilla offers multiple channels (identities) per account and nomadic identity (Hubzilla actually introduced nomadic identity), but it also offers multiple profiles (views of your identity) per channel like Friendica offers multiple profiles per account.
Hubzilla offers forums similar to the groups on (streams) with similar privacy and moderation options.
Hubzilla is actually more of a "decentralised social CMS" than a purist social networking application. It offers a whole lot of optional features which Friendica and (streams) don't have such as articles (an alternative way for blog posts that doesn't federate through the Fediverse), wikis and webpages. In fact, is built on a Hubzilla channel.
However, Hubzilla's learning curve is even steeper than (streams)'. And, again, don't ask for a phone app. There's only the browser and installing it as a PWA.
Public, open-registration Hubzilla hubs can be looked up on all known instance lists.
: Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) also offer a standards-compatible event calendar. At least Hubzilla and (streams) even offer the option to let other Hubzilla and (streams) channels administer your channel. This means you can create a channel only for a collaborative event calendar, connect it to certain trustworthy Hubzilla/(streams) users and give them administration permission on the calendar channel. This makes it possible for them to edit all calendars on the channel.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #FacebookEvents #FacebookGroups #Fediverse #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) That's doable.
- Create a Friendica account if you don't have one. Friendica can connect to itself, to Mastodon, to Pixelfed, to everything else that uses ActivityPub and to diaspora*. And it can integrate a Bluesky account for bidirectional federation without needing a bridge.
- Whomever you follow on Mastodon now, follow all of them from Friendica.
- Whomever you're connected to on diaspora* now, connect to all of them from Friendica.
- Register a Bluesky account if you don't have one. No, sorry, you'll need one if you don't want to use the Bridgy Fed bridge.
- Integrate your Bluesky account into your Friendica account.
- If you have an Android phone, install RaccoonForFriendica or Friendiqa or DiCa on it and connect your Friendica account to it.
This gives you a timeline that's unified not in your app, but on the server side already. And you don't cross-post to Friendica, Mastodon, everything else that uses ActivityPub, diaspora* and Bluesky, but you send one and the same post to Friendica, Mastodon, diaspora* and Bluesky, and you get one and the same comment thread from everywhere instead of four separate comment threads.
Potential downsides:
- You will have to set all of this up on Friendica's Web interface in a browser. Sorry if you're only ever on a phone.
- I don't know how many and which Friendica nodes are defederated by Threads. It's likely that Friendica nodes don't comply with Meta's federation requirements.
- There is no stable-release iOS app for Friendica. If you have an iPhone, you'll have to make do with an app made for Mastodon which only supports 10-20% of Friendica's features.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #diaspora* #Friendica #Bluesky
Dies ist mglicherweise der Grund warum mastodon nutzende
nicht so oft interagieren.
Vor allem liegt das aber auch an Mastodons Timeline. Da wird neuer Content einfach oben angefgt. Und jede neue Antwort ist ein neuer Beitrag, der oben angefgt wird. Was davon Mastodon-Nutzer lesen, hngt davon ab, wieviel Zeit und Bock sie haben, nach unten zu scrollen.
Wenn sie jetzt ein paar hundert Leuten folgen, die auch mal alle zwei Minuten was boosten, schaffen sie hchstens das, was ber ein, zwei Stunden in ihre Timeline gekommen ist. Weiter runter scrollen sie ganz einfach nicht. Und wenn sie nur einmal am Tag auf ihre Timeline gucken, verpassen sie jeden Tag mindestens 22 Stunden an Ereignissen.
Das geht im Fediverse aber auch ganz anders: Friendica, das ja aktuell hoch gehandelt wird als Facebook-Alternative, und seine "noch lebenden Nachfahren" Hubzilla, (streams) und Forte haben einen Zhler fr Ereignisse, auf die man noch nicht geachtet hat. Wenn man den aufklappt, erhlt man eine Liste all dieser Ereignisse. Nicht die Ereignisse selbst, sondern nur eine Liste.
Klickt man eins davon an, wird der komplette Thread zu diesem Ereignis geladen und (standardmig) alles an ungesehenen Ereignissen in diesem Thread als gesehen markiert. Wenn z. B. ein neuer Post reingekommen ist, dazu 20 Kommentare (Antworten), 15 Likes (Faves) und 15 Wiederholungen (Boosts), dann markiert man auf einen Satz 51 Ereignisse als gesehen.
Und so kann man Stck fr Stck das Ungelesene lesen, ohne irgendwas zu verpassen, und damit interagieren und darauf reagieren, wenn man will. Eigentlich ideal fr die FOMO-Fraktion. Zur Not kann man immer noch alles mit einem Klick als gelesen markieren.
Wenn das irgendwann zuviel wird, fngt man von ganz alleine an zu kuratieren, also Nutzern zu entfolgen, ihnen die Berechtigungen zum Schicken von Posts zu entziehen, Wiederholungen/Boosts zu blockieren, Inhalte zu filtern usw. Derweil merken Mastodon-Nutzer nicht mal, da sie eigentlich schon viel zuviel Content in ihre Timeline bekommen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #FOMOThese will be some busy days for Juno Rowland and me in OpenSim...
Right now, the is visiting us at in . About two dozen avatars on a packed standard region of 256x256m. In fact, some have crossed into neighbouring sims, probably without even noticing. It doesn't help that it's night during the whole hour of their visit.
Right afterwards, we're off to the on-going weekly party over on .
In fact, today is the official 15th anniversary of Dorenas World. It's the only German grid that has ever managed to live for this long, and it's the third-oldest surviving OpenSim grid now. Only , the first public grid from 2007, and are older.
The anniversary will be celebrated from tomorrow on until Sunday. I'll post the schedule later. Just so much: We've finally managed to get to perform here.
And next week, on January 25th, Dereos will celebrate its 10th anniversary on a sim built for the occasion..
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #HGSafari #VirtualEvent #Grid #GridAnniversary #DorenasWorld #Dereos I myself would say that (streams) is stable enough to give it a try. Especially if you want to start a public instance, for we've only got two public, open-registration instances on (streams) now. But even if you want to go solo, you may want to give it a try, although single-user (streams) instances are only half the fun.
I've heard of a few guys who are already giving Forte a try or want to. But it's still too experimental to rely on it as a daily driver, I guess, also because that might overload Mike with bug reports which he'll have to fix quickly because people rely on it. I wouldn't daily-drive Forte until Mike says it's safe.
Only if you need Hubzilla's extra features (articles, cards, wikis, webpages...), it makes sense to install Hubzilla.
The support groups would be Hubzilla Support Forum and Streams, respectively.
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Doesn't seem like there's any active developers either.
Um, . It is very much still under development, and it has multiple active main developers, especially .
Oh, and Mike Macgirvin isn't the Hubzilla main dev anymore either. In 2018, he has passed Hubzilla on to the community in the shape of Mario Vavti and Harald Eilertsen to concentrate on the advancement of Zot. He launched Osada (2018), Zap (2018), another Osada (2019), yet another Osada (2020), a new Mistpark (2020 that's Friendica's old name), a new Redmatrix (2020 that's Hubzilla's old name) and Roadhouse (early 2021).
His current works are and .
Mike is working on both almost all alone and entirely in his spare time. He has officially "retired" from software development effective September 1st, 2024, so he has more important things to do in his spare time like tend to his land in Australia. You can't expect something from him that looks like several million dollars have been spent by a Silicon Valley corporation on the UI design. Or from anyone in the Fediverse.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte
IMO a screen like this (where you end up when you try to join) is a dead end for 99% of users.
Again, IMO, the most important thing for Mastodon is having mastodon.social as the default way to join. Federation is important, but having an obvious choice of server is even more important, if the goal is growth.
Well, Friendica's goal is not growth, growth and more growth at all costs. Neither is it the goal of Friendica's descendants from the same developer, at least the last two of which can serve as Facebook replacements just as well: Hubzilla, (streams), Forte. Neither is it the goal of the Fediverse as a whole.
Also, Friendica is decidedly and intentionally against instances that grow too big. It doesn't want to concentrate the vast majority of users on one node.
All Facebook replacements in the Fediverse intentionally wear decentralisation on their lapels because it's part of their concept and identity. None of them will ever put newbie convenience before everything else, pretend to newbies to be a centralised, monolithic silo website and leave its users some two to six months to accidentally find out that, oh, by the way, it's decentralised.
So "user name, password, there you go" is not going to happen here.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte If your admin has the money for an API license, you can integrate an account into a Friendica account or a Hubzilla channel, just like you can integrate a Bluesky account into a Friendica account (yes, you can do that without a bridge), and just like you can integrate a Tumblr account into both.
The technology is still there and has been since long before Mastodon was made. Oh, and in case you don't know, both Friendica and Hubzilla are part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon (Hubzilla only optionally, but still, I'm posting this from Hubzilla right now).
The only reason why both Friendica and Hubzilla are factually disconnected from is because none of their admins (probably) can and want to pay for an API license. But, again, the technology is still there in both cases and installed on all Friendica nodes and Hubzilla hubs. It's just deactivated.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Twitter # #Bluesky #Friendica #Hubzilla That's probably because they're all being railroaded to pixelfed.social, and they think Pixelfed is a centralised silo because nobody tells them about decentralisation and the Fediverse. What we know as the Fediverse is only one website to them.
For a stark contrast, look at all those who are on Mastodon, and who try to relocate from Facebook to Friendica. These people actually haven't really arrived in the Fediverse yet. Otherwise they'd know that they can follow those of their friends who move from Facebook to Friendica (or elsewhere) from Mastodon, and they don't need a Friendica account just to be able to follow Friendica accounts.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse The main (stable) equivalents in the Fediverse to Facebook (albeit not even close to outright clones, but better) are, in chronological order of creation:
- ()
The only one with , although iOS is only covered by an early beta app. Some learning curve. - ()
The most powerful one. The steepest learning curve of the three. - ()
The most advanced one and still quite powerful. A bit steeper learning curve. Intentionally absent from instance lists (ask me for recommendations).
and are rather more powerful replacements for Twitter/.
Since you were probably unaware of this: All of these as well as Mastodon, Pixelfed and in are connected to one another via a protocol called ActivityPub. This means that you can follow Friendica or Pixelfed users from Mastodon. In fact, I'm writing this to you from Hubzilla right now, and you can read it on Mastodon. That is, Hubzilla is a special case: ActivityPub support is available, but optional and off by default for new users.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams)
- Move everyone to somewhere in the Fediverse and set up a public group/forum on Friendica, Hubzilla or (streams).
- Move everyone to Friendica, Hubzilla or (streams) and set up a private group/forum on Friendica, Hubzilla or (streams).
This is the closest to Facebook you can get. - Move everyone to the Threadiverse (Lemmy, Mbin, PieFed) and set up a public Lemmy community, Mbin magazine or PieFed community.
This is more like Reddit.
A Friendica group, a Hubzilla forum or a (streams) group can also include an event calendar. But hardly any places in the Fediverse other than Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) support events Mastodon doesn't.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookGroups #FacebookEvents #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Threadiverse #Lemmy #Mbin #PieFed Ja, das ist deren Ernst. Auf Friendica sind Gruppen keine gesonderte Funktion, sondern spezielle Nutzerkonten, und zwar schon seit fast 15 Jahren.
Und das werden die Entwickler bestimmt nicht jetzt umbauen, nur weil einige Leute einen Facebook-Klon erwarten.
Wenn du keinen Bock auf Aus- und Einloggen hast, nimm lieber Hubzilla oder (streams), beide vom Friendica-Entwickler. Da sind Gruppen/Foren auch Kanle mit spezieller Einstellung, aber man kann mehrere Kanle auf einem Konto haben und zwischen denen hin- und herschalten, ohne sich aus- und wieder einloggen zu mssen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica Add your location to a Google Map Two things are becoming glaringly obvious currently.
One, it seems like aspiring Facebook escapees want and expect Facebook as it was in December, 2024, in the Fediverse. Maybe also because that's what they're told Friendica is. Just like Twitter escapees have been wanting and expecting Mastodon (and the Fediverse as a whole) to be literally Twitter without Musk, but otherwise absolutely identical to Twitter. Because that's what they were told.
People don't want something that's better than the original. Because that's different from the original. People want 1:1 clones of the original.
Two, lots of Mastodon users, even many of those who have been around since the second Twitter migration wave of late 2022 (as in over two years)k, haven't understood the Fediverse yet. They think their Mastodon account can only connect to Mastodon accounts, and a Friendica account can only connect to Friendica accounts, and so they need a Friendica account in parallel to their Mastodon account in order to be able to stay in contact with both new Friendica users and current Mastodon users.
Little do they probably know that they already follow users of Friendica, Hubzilla, Misskey, Sharkey, Iceshrimp, Akkoma, Mbin etc. on their Mastodon accounts because Mastodon doesn't tell them. Even less do they know that Friendica is the federation world champion. Not only does it connect to everything in the ActivityPub-using Fediverse, including Mastodon, but it also has more non-ActivityPub connection options than anything else.
Not so obvious yet: If a significant number of Facebook users does end up on Friendica, we'll have a wonderful clash of cultures in the Fediverse.
- Faction #1: almost three years worth of Twitter refugees on Mastodon who still want to force Mastodon's culture upon the whole Fediverse. Including Friendica.
- Faction #2: fresh arrivals on Mastodon from Twitter who want to keep living their Twitter culture, and who don't even expect Mastodon to have its own culture.
- Faction #3: fresh arrivals on Friendica from Facebook who want to keep living their Facebook culture, and who also end up angering faction #1 with "long posts" (anything with over 500 characters).
- Faction #4: the old Fediverse guard, especially on Friendica where some users have been since years before Mastodon has even been created, who are being lectured by faction #1 and accused of harassment by factions #2 and #3.
Beware if faction #3 discovers Lemmy communities and starts joining them. For Lemmy's culture is almost identical to Reddit's culture, whether #1 wants or not.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Mastodon #Friendica #MastodonCulture #FediverseCulture That's because Friendica is social networking. Just like Facebook was social networking in 2010 when Friendica was made.
Social media is about pumping out content. Just like Twitter and 2025's Facebook where you've got a full feed of stuff dealt to you by a secret-sauce algorithm without doing anything but joining.
Social networking is about connecting with people. 2010's Facebook didn't have an algorithm that automatically "friended" you with people. You had to do it yourself to have something happening in your feed.
So stop using it like Twitter, and start using it like Facebook was originally meant to be used. The burger menu should have something like Connections or, better yet, Directory. From there you should get to connection suggestions. I'd say they're even closer to what you're looking for if you fill out your profile first.
If you yourself are looking for connections, there's the Friendica Directory with , etc.
Lastly, Friendica isn't a "decentralised walled garden" that can only connect within. Friendica can connect to everything within the Fediverse, including Mastodon.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica The closest there is would be the Threadiverse: Lemmy, Mbin, PieFed. Technically all Reddit replacements. The latter two are probably even more appropriate because they've got somewhat better support for Fediverse software that isn't a Reddit clone.
You can join a Lemmy community, an Mbin magazine or a PieFed community with a Mastodon account by following it. Starting new threads is not "Mastodon 101" straight-forward because you have to take a few things into consideration (Mastodon has no real support for groups, that's why), but it's possible. And if you go over to Lemmy or Mbin or PieFed, all you see is groups, only groups and nothing but groups.
What you cannot do, however, is log onto a Lemmy, Mbin or PieFed instance with your Mastodon account and get your own personal, customisable feed. This is generally not how the Fediverse works. The only non-Mastodon place where you can "log in" with your Mastodon credentials and have a local user account automagically created with the self-same login credentials is Pixelfed.
Also, especially Lemmy is populated by 99% former Redditors. They haven't adopted Mastodon's culture just because they're in the Fediverse. Most of them barely know that Mastodon exists. Instead, Lemmy has Reddit's culture all over. Prepare for culture clashes with Mastodon users on the losing side because all mods are formerly from Reddit, too.
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Aber es kann halt eben jetzt nicht zur unserer"Kultur"gehren, die Leute in dieser Ungewissheit zu lassen - vielmehr wollen wir sie untersttzen.
Wenn du Neulinge verhtscheln und sie im Glauben lassen willst, das Fediverse sei ein einziger Twitter-Klon namens Mastodon, dann reicht es nicht, ihnen nicht die Wahrheit zu sagen. Du wirst die Wahrheit regelrecht von ihnen abschirmen mssen. Ich glaube, wir wissen alle, wie groe Erfolgschancen das hat.
Vor allem: Je lnger sie sich an ein Fediverse gewhnen, das nur Mastodon und nur ein Twitter-Klon ist, um so schlimmer wird es fr sie, wenn sie die Wahrheit erfahren.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NichtNurMastodon No need to create them. The Fediverse has multiple all-out, full-blown Facebook alternatives readily available already now. Not Facebook clones, but better than Facebook with features that you won't find on Facebook.
And yes, including groups on various levels of public vs private where public groups are open to the whole Fediverse including Mastodon.
- ()
Established in 2010, five and a half years before Mastodon
Federated with Mastodon since Mastodon's creation - ()
Established in 2015, ten months before Mastodon
Optionally federated with Mastodon since Mastodon's creation - ()
Established in 2021
Federated with Mastodon since its own creation
- Forte ()
Established in 2024
Federated with Mastodon since its own creation
All four were created by the same guy, Mike Macgirvin , professional software developer of about half a century, creator of multiple Fediverse protocols and almost a dozen Facebook alternatives in the Fediverse and inventor of .
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookGroups #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Fediverse Ein ganz groes Problem ist eben, da viele Neulinge hier aufschlagen in der Erwartung, da das Fediverse a) ein 1:1-Klon von dem ist, wo sie weg wollen (in den letzten Jahren meistens Twitter, allmhlich mehr und mehr Faceboook), und b) ein homogenes Gebilde, wo alles gleich ist.
Dann landen sie auf Mastodon, sind total verwirrt, weil es eben kein 1:1-Twitter-Klon ist und alles komisch und anders und "falsch" ist, und schreien nach Hilfe. Hilfe, damit Mastodon und "das Fediverse" zu dem Twitter-Klon wird, den sie erwartet haben.
Wenn man ihnen dann erklrt, da alleine schon Mastodon anders ist als Twitter und wie sie mit dieser Andersartigkeit produktiv umgehen knnen, dann ist das falsch und ignorant und berheblich, weil das nicht ist, was sie hren wollten.
Wenn man ihnen dann auch noch erklrt, da das ganze Fediverse nicht nur Mastodon und schon gar kein reiner, homogener Twitter-Klon ist, dann ist das nicht nur besserwisserisch, weil sie das auch nicht hren wollen, sondern regelrecht bergriffig.
Erst vor ein paar Tagen ist mir jemand ber den Weg gelaufen, der gerade frisch von auf Mastodon angekommen war. Der war nach Mastodon gekommen mit drei Vorstellungen bombenfest in seinem Kopf einbetoniert:
- Mastodon ist buchstblich Twitter ohne Musk, aber ansonsten mit Twitter identisch.
- Das Fediverse ist das Netzwerk von Mastodon. Und ausschlielich Mastodon.
- Somit: Das Fediverse ist buchstblich Twitter ohne Musk, aber ansonsten mit Twitter identisch.
Allerdings mute er erst feststellen, da Mastodon eben nicht bis auf Musk mit Twitter identisch ist. Auerdem geriet er an genau die "richtigen" Leute und erfuhr, da das Fediverse nicht mal ausschlielich aus Mastodon besteht.
Ich habe noch nie erlebt, wie ein Fediverse-Neuankmmling so zutiefst schockiert ber diese Erkenntnisse war. Ich glaube, diesen Schock hat er bis heute nicht berwunden.
Auch wenn viele auf Mastodon das nicht verstehen und herunterspielen: Genau das passiert, wenn die Leute nicht erfahren, was das Fediverse ist, bevor sie sich auf Mastodon anmelden.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NichtNurMastodon Yes, Friendica supports groups, both public and private. A group is basically only another user account, but with a different settings preset.
Public groups can be joined by just about anyone in the Fediverse, including Mastodon users. (In case you didn't know yet, Friendica is federated with Mastodon.) Private groups can only be joined by Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) users.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #FacebookAlternative #FacebookGroups #FriendicaDer Pepe (Hubzilla) Mastodon hat ja einen HTML-"Sanitiser". Bis Mastodon 3 hat der alles an HTML rausgeschmissen und alle Posts von berallher in Reintext umgewandelt, weil Textformatierung in puristischem Microblogging angeblich nichts zu suchen hat. Seit Mastodon 4 "darf" Mastodon zumindest ein paar Formatierungsfeatures darstellen.
Ich wei aber nicht, wo der Sanitiser sitzt. Wenn er im Backend, sollten Posts von auerhalb auch auf der Mastodon-Weboberflche sichtbare HTML-Tags haben, weil er dann selbst eine Macke hat.
Wenn er aber im Frontend sitzt, dann mu jede Mastodon-App einen eigenen HTML-Sanitiser haben. Entweder den oder die Fhigkeit, HTML zu rendern. Dann sieht es fr mich eher so aus, als wre bis heute gegen die Annahme gebaut, da das Fediverse nur Mastodon ist und es daher im Fediverse keine Textformatierung gibt, nur Reintext.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #IceCubes #IceCubesApp It has been a while since I've last used Friendica I'm mostly on Hubzilla now plus a bit on (streams).
But AFAIK, all three let you post to certain connections, including to a specific circle (Friendica)/privacy group (Hubzilla)/access list ((streams)), basically something similar to Mastodon's lists. In either case, these posts and the whole threads are flagged not public, and especially Hubzilla and (streams) don't allow changing access permissions within a thread. Mastodon understands these limited-access posts as PMs.
In theory, it's possible to post "followers only" like on Mastodon: Create a circle/privacy group/access list, add all your contacts to it and send a post to this circle/privacy group/access list.
In addition, all three support something similar to Facebook groups which is a) moderated and b) optionally private, as in nobody can look inside from outside. On Friendica, a group is a user account which you have to register separately. Likewise, on Hubzilla and (streams), a forum or group is a channel with special settings, but instead of having to register a new account, you can create a new channel on your existing account next to your existing channel.
As for E2EE, neither supports any standard E2EE technology. Hubzilla and (streams) allow for conversations to be optionally encrypted. But: Only the transmission is encrypted. Encryption uses a passphrase rather than a private/public key pair. Both sides must have the encryption add-on activated, and it isn't even necessarily available on all server instances. Encryption may only work within Hubzilla and within (streams), but not between them. And, obviously, encryption does not work to the outside, e.g. Friendica or Mastodon.
Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) can replace Facebook, but not WhatsApp. That's what Matrix and XMPP are for.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Groups #PrivateGroups Possible solutions within the Fediverse:
- Friendica was designed explicitly as a Facebook alternative long before Mastodon. It has always had discussion groups, including private groups. But private groups can only be used by users on Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams), not by Mastodon users.
- Hubzilla and (streams) are both technologically advanced descendants of Friendica from Friendica's own creator. Their learning curves are different grades of steeper than Friendica's. They offer private groups, too, but based on their own advanced permissions systems. These private groups probably only work for users on Hubzilla and (streams) not sure about Friendica users. Mastodon users are out again.
Still, as a user on Friendica, Hubzilla or (streams), you can connect with the rest of the Fediverse, including Mastodon, so no need to have a Mastodon account for Mastodon connections and a Friendica account for Facebook escapees on Friendica.
(streams) is intentionally kept away from places like FediDB and Fediverse Observer, so don't bother looking for its few public instances. If you're still interested, ask me again.
Also, Friendica is the only one of the three with mobile apps. Hubzilla and (streams) can only be installed as PWAs.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Groups #PrivateGroups Eigentlich solltest du Friendica-Konten von jeder Mastodon-Instanz aus folgen knnen. Dafr wirst du nicht gro umziehen mssen, schon gar nicht nach Friendica.
Auch wenn Mastodon ein Twitter-Klon ist und Friendica eine Facebook-Alternative, kannst du trotzdem mit deinem Mastodon-Konto einfach einem Friendica-Konto folgen. Oder jedem anderen Konto auf jeder anderen Art von Server.
Falls dir das zu theoretisch ist, knnen wir das gerne mal in der Praxis durchspielen, damit du das direkt vor deinen Augen siehst, wie das passiert.
Ich will dafr jetzt nicht irgendjemanden auf Friendica mit reinziehen, also nehmen wir statt dessen meinen Hubzilla-Kanal. Ist dicht genug dran, denn Hubzilla fing mal an als Friendica-Fork von Friendicas eigenem Entwickler.
Jetzt sorgen wir mal zusammen dafr, wie du auf Mastodon mir auf Hubzilla folgst.
Kopier mal in deine Suche auf Mastodon folgendes rein:
jupiterrowlandhub.netzgemeinde.euDann schieb mal die Suche an. Die sollte ein Ergebnis anzeigen, dem du folgen kannst. Auch wenn du es auf Mastodon siehst, ist es nicht auf Mastodon, sondern es ist mein Kanal auf Hubzilla.
Und dann folge dem mal.
Falls dich das noch nicht berzeugt, knnen wir das auch mit (streams) durchspielen. Das ist wieder vom selben Entwickler und noch ein paar Forks spter, aber immer noch ziemlich nah an Friendica dran.
Weil ich wei, da du Memes magst, such dieses Mal nach dem hier:
fedimemesonstreamsstreams.elsmussols.netDahinter verbirgt sich brigens mein .
Und versuch wieder, dem zu folgen.
brigens: Mit folgst du schon jemandem auf Friendica, und mit Der Pepe (Hubzilla) folgst du demselben auf Hubzilla. Vielleicht hast du es einfach noch nicht gemerkt, weil das alles fr dich auch nicht anders aussah als Mastodon. Aber guck dir mal beide jeweils an der Quelle an und sag mir: Sieht das wie Mastodon aus
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) You can forget diaspora* for two reasons.
One, it isn't connected to most of the Fediverse. Friendica, Hubzilla and Socialhome have support for diaspora*'s own protocol, to this day, diaspora* refuses to adopt ActivityPub. So it can't connect to anything else like Mastodon.
Two, it looks like it's going under anyway. At the end of December, multiple big pods were shut down. According to some statistics, diaspora* lost more half of its users within a few days.
Apart from this, while diaspora* may have the better UI, it won't offer you nearly the features you'll even find on Friendica, much less its descendants.
At the end of the day, what could be useful for you depends on what you need, for Friendica is not the only alternative to Facebook and diaspora* it's just the only one that's the talk of the town. There's also from 2015 which the vast majority of the Fediverse has never heard of, and there's officially nameless , the newest of the bunch from 2021, which is almost entirely unknown outside of Hubzilla, but still worth a look.
First things first: All three are part of the Fediverse all the same. All three support ActivityPub, only that you'll first have to activate it on your new Hubzilla channel.
So the first question is: Do you absolutely need a native mobile app Because that's only available for Friendica. Hubzilla and (streams) can be installed as Progressive Web Apps if your device supports it, but some people find that too complicated and/or need a native mobile UI and/or need something they can pull from an app store.
But if you're a desktop user, or if you aren't afraid of using a Web interface (which adapts well to mobile) on a mobile device, either in a browser or as a PWA, the other two may be worth a look.
If you don't mind a little bit more of a learning curve, if you prefer Markdown or HTML for formatting over BBcode, if you'd like to have a WebDAV file server, a CalDAV calendar server and a CardDAV addressbook server along with your Facebook alternative, if you want fine-grained control over who is permitted to do what, and if you're at least looking forward to securing your channel against server shutdown with nomadic identity, then (streams) may be something for you.
You won't find it on any instance lists it's intentionally being kept away from them. But there are currently only two public, open-registration instances that I could recommend. One, in the USA, is , run by Waitman Gobble. The other one, in Hungary, is , run by Der Pepe (Hubzilla) or rather Der Pepe (nomd) who also has two Hubzilla hubs. Both instances are probably very silent now, especially Nomd where Pepe is the only user. But if I get more people to join them, this may change.
If you want another look from a guest's point of view, feel free to check my two (streams) channels (I got the account by invite): Jupiter Rowland's (streams) outlet uses the day mode of the Fresh theme, Jupiter's Fedi-Memes on (streams) uses its night mode.
Well, and if you aren't afraid of an even steeper learning curve and an even more complex UI, if you don't mind BBcode, if you still want fine-grained permission controls, if you want nomadic identity now, if you think you can need diaspora* connectivity, if you want to be able to subscribe to RSS and Atom feeds, or if you want extra CMS-like features (articles, cards, wikis, even webpages), Hubzilla may be more to your liking.
In addition to the hubs listed on and (10.0.6 is the current stable and recommended version), Scott M. Stolz is working on launching a number of new US-based hubs.
Last but not least, the three support groups:
- for Friendica
- Hubzilla Support Forum for Hubzilla
- Streams for (streams)
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #diaspora* #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams)Im Fediverse ist die Hlle los. Das, worauf wir seit 2010 warten, ist eingetreten: Facebook steht kurz davor, so unertrglich zu werden, da Leute von da abhauen wollen.
Daran sind aber einige Gruppierungen im Fediverse beteiligt.
Zunchst einmal wrde die Friendica-Community am liebsten mglichst viele Facebook-Nutzer nach Friendica holen, das ja 2010 ausdrcklich als Facebook-Alternative an den Start ging. Das knnen sie aber nicht, weil keiner der Friendica-Veteranen mehr auf Facebook ist.
Statt dessen wollen berraschend viele Mastodon-Nutzer Facebook-Nutzer nach Friendica einladen. Wohlgemerkt, das bis vor kurzem noch ein direkter Mastodon-Konkurrent war. Massenweise Mastodon-Nutzer senden jetzt Hilferufe in den ther, weil sie selbst von Friendica ber den Namen hinaus keine Ahnung haben.
Und dann gibt's natrlich die, die Facebook-Leute nach Mastodon holen wollen. Zu einem Mchtegern-Twitter-Klon. Da gibt's tatschlich vier Sorten:
- die, die nur Mastodon kennen und glauben, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon
- die, die mit ihren Facebook-Freunden in Verbindung bleiben wollen, aber das Fediverse nie verstanden haben, vor allem die Fderation zwischen verschiedenen Serveranwendungen (du kannst von deinem Twitter-Klon aus jemandem auf einer Facebook-Alternative folgen), und die glauben, das klappt nur, wenn ihre Freunde auch alle nach Mastodon kommen
- die fanatischen Mastodon-Fundis die so von Mastodons totaler berlegenheit ber das ganze restliche Fediverse berzeugt sind, da sie sich in jeden Thread, indem es um Umzug nach Friendica geht, einmischen und statt dessen einen Umzug nach Mastodon vorschlagen
- die, die es ganz einfach nicht ertragen knnen, wenn jemand sich bei etwas anmeldet, das nicht Mastodon ist, selbst wenn es mit Mastodon verbunden ist
Genau wie die Friendica-Community wartet auch die Hubzilla-Community schon lange auf genau das, was jetzt passiert. Sie geht tatschlich sogar in einen direkten Konkurrenzkampf gegen Friendica.
Der groe Unterschied ist allerdings, da Friendica besser vorbereitet ist. Es hat eine leichtere Oberflche, es hat bessere offizielle Dokumentation, und vor allem hat es native Smartphone-Apps. Als Rckfalleben gibt's sogar die Mastodon-Client-API, obwohl Mastodon-Apps keine 10% von Friendicas Funktionsumfang abdecken. Aber sogar auf Facebook sind viele Nutzer hart abhngig von einer Smartphone-App, die sie aus dem Apple App Store oder dem Google Play Store installieren knnen. Wenn es fr etwas keine App gibt, existiert es fr sie nicht.
Derweil versucht die Hubzilla-Community, Facebook-Nutzer auf ein Hubzilla zu holen, das sogar fr Umsteiger von Friendica nicht bereit ist, geschweige denn fr solche von Facebook. Es baut immer noch auf einer Idee vom Fediverse von 2012 auf, einer Vision eines Grid aus Hubzilla-Hubs, an das alles, womit Hubzilla sich sonst noch so verbinden kann, als Satelliten angehngt ist, und das Friendica obsolet macht. Diese Vision ist durch den Erfolg von Mastodon selbst veraltet.
Hubzilla ist so komplex, da sogar Veteranen immer wieder neue Sachen lernen, die es schon seit Jahren gibt. Aber die eingebaute Dokumentation ist lckenhaft, hoffnungslos veraltet und vielfach schlicht und ergreifend fehlerhaft. Sie wird gerade neu geschrieben, aber die aktuelle Version gibt's nur auf , und selbst der, der sie schreibt, lernt immer noch Neues ber Hubzilla.
Hubzilla ist voller Hrden fr Neulinge. Es wird gern angepriesen als mit dem ganzen Fediverse verbunden, aber in Wahrheit ist ActivityPub in neuen Kanlen deaktiviert, weil nomadische Identitt damit nicht gut klarkommt. Nicht nur da, sondern statt einfach einen Schalter in den Einstellungen umzulegen, mu man eine "App" "installieren", um Mastodon-Konten folgen zu knnen. Und wenn du als Hubzilla-Newbie einfach so mit Standardeinstellungen lospostest, werden deine Posts wahrscheinlich nicht mal ffentlich sein. Es dauert eine ganze Weile, um einen Hubzilla-Kanal so einzustellen, da er ordentlich funktioniert.
Aber die grte Hrde ist immer noch das fast vllige Fehlen einer Smartphone-App. Es gibt zwar eine App names Nomad. Aber die gibt's nur fr Android. Auf F-Droid. Die benutzt hauptschlich die Weboberflche, statt eine eigene native Mobiloberflche zu haben. Und sie ist seit fnf Jahren unangetastet und kann auf neueren Gerten nicht mal mehr installiert werden. Natrlich kann man Hubzilla auch als Progressive Web App installieren. Aber der durchschnittliche Facebook-Nutzer hat noch nie von Progressive Web Apps gehrt und braucht etwas, was er aus dem Apple App Store oder Google Play Store installieren kann.
Ehrlich gesagt wrde ich sogar sagen, da es fr Facebook-Umsteiger einfacher wre, nach (streams) umzusteigen als nach Hubzilla. Es ist verschlankt, und das war tatschlich schon die erste Generation an Hubzilla-Forks. Es ist moderner und mehr ans heutige Fediverse angepat, weil die Entwicklung von allem nach Hubzilla nicht dadurch ausgebremst wurde, da so ein Software-Monster mitgeschleift werden mute. Es ist immer noch komplex, es ist immer noch mindestens so sicher wie Hubzilla, aber es ist einfacher zu handhaben, weil es darauf ausgelegt ist, was heutzutage in der tglichen Handhabung tatschlich gebraucht wird.
Und trotzdem herrscht in der kleinen (streams)-Community Stille. In der offiziellen (streams)-Gruppe habe ich noch keine Regungen gesehen bezglich Einladen von Facebook-Nutzern nach (streams). Ich glaube nicht, da die gesamte (streams)-Community hinterm Mond lebt und die bevorstehende Facebook-Auswanderungswelle erst noch bemerken mu.
Vielleicht sind sich der Hindernisse wie dem Fehlen von Smartphone-Apps fr (streams) noch mehr bewut. Vielleicht trauen sie keinem neuen (streams)-Nutzer, der nicht vorher durch die Hubzilla-Schule gegangen ist. Vielleicht sind sie selbst nicht sicher, ob (streams) inzwischen wieder stabil genug ist.
Aber vielleicht liegt das schlicht und ergreifend daran, da man auf (streams) kaum ein Zuhause finden kann. Das Problem ist nicht, da (streams)-Instanzen notorisch schwer zu finden sind, weil es auerhalb von (streams) selbst nirgendwo Listen ffentlicher (streams)-Instanzen gibt. Das Problem ist eher, da es von vornherein kaum (streams)-Instanzen gibt.
Meines Erachtens gibt's drei ffentliche (streams)-Instanzen mit offener Registrierung. Eine ist Rumbly in den USA, das um einiges mehr an Nutzern aufnehmen knnte, als es hat. Eine ist die neue Inkarnation von Nomd in Ungarn, die aber keiner kennt. Und die dritte ist Diversi Spiritus in Brasilien, das in den letzten Monaten derartig viele Probleme hatte, da ich niemandem empfehlen wrde, sich da zu registrieren, auch weil der Admin schon mit dem Gedanken gespielt hat, die ganze Instanz plattzumachen und neu aufzusetzen.
Das heit, vielleicht schaffe ich es ja doch, jemanden dazu zu bringen, von Facebook nach (streams) umzusteigen. Irgendwo mu man ja anfangen.
Na ja, und zu guter Letzt sind da die, die allen Ernstes Leute von Facebook ausgerechnet nach Bluesky einladen wollen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Bluesky #Fediverse #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams)Im Fediverse ist die Hlle los. Das, worauf wir seit 2010 warten, ist eingetreten: Facebook steht kurz davor, so unertrglich zu werden, da Leute von da abhauen wollen.
Daran sind aber einige Gruppierungen im Fediverse beteiligt.
Zunchst einmal wrde die Friendica-Community am liebsten mglichst viele Facebook-Nutzer nach Friendica holen, das ja 2010 ausdrcklich als Facebook-Alternative an den Start ging. Das knnen sie aber nicht, weil keiner der Friendica-Veteranen mehr auf Facebook ist.
Statt dessen wollen berraschend viele Mastodon-Nutzer Facebook-Nutzer nach Friendica einladen. Wohlgemerkt, das bis vor kurzem noch ein direkter Mastodon-Konkurrent war. Massenweise Mastodon-Nutzer senden jetzt Hilferufe in den ther, weil sie selbst von Friendica ber den Namen hinaus keine Ahnung haben.
Und dann gibt's natrlich die, die Facebook-Leute nach Mastodon holen wollen. Zu einem Mchtegern-Twitter-Klon. Da gibt's tatschlich vier Sorten:
- die, die nur Mastodon kennen und glauben, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon
- die, die mit ihren Facebook-Freunden in Verbindung bleiben wollen, aber das Fediverse nie verstanden haben, vor allem die Fderation zwischen verschiedenen Serveranwendungen (du kannst von deinem Twitter-Klon aus jemandem auf einer Facebook-Alternative folgen), und die glauben, das klappt nur, wenn ihre Freunde auch alle nach Mastodon kommen
- die fanatischen Mastodon-Fundis die so von Mastodons totaler berlegenheit ber das ganze restliche Fediverse berzeugt sind, da sie sich in jeden Thread, indem es um Umzug nach Friendica geht, einmischen und statt dessen einen Umzug nach Mastodon vorschlagen
- die, die es ganz einfach nicht ertragen knnen, wenn jemand sich bei etwas anmeldet, das nicht Mastodon ist, selbst wenn es mit Mastodon verbunden ist
Genau wie die Friendica-Community wartet auch die Hubzilla-Community schon lange auf genau das, was jetzt passiert. Sie geht tatschlich sogar in einen direkten Konkurrenzkampf gegen Friendica.
Der groe Unterschied ist allerdings, da Friendica besser vorbereitet ist. Es hat eine leichtere Oberflche, es hat bessere offizielle Dokumentation, und vor allem hat es native Smartphone-Apps. Als Rckfalleben gibt's sogar die Mastodon-Client-API, obwohl Mastodon-Apps keine 10% von Friendicas Funktionsumfang abdecken. Aber sogar auf Facebook sind viele Nutzer hart abhngig von einer Smartphone-App, die sie aus dem Apple App Store oder dem Google Play Store installieren knnen. Wenn es fr etwas keine App gibt, existiert es fr sie nicht.
Derweil versucht die Hubzilla-Community, Facebook-Nutzer auf ein Hubzilla zu holen, das sogar fr Umsteiger von Friendica nicht bereit ist, geschweige denn fr solche von Facebook. Es baut immer noch auf einer Idee vom Fediverse von 2012 auf, einer Vision eines Grid aus Hubzilla-Hubs, an das alles, womit Hubzilla sich sonst noch so verbinden kann, als Satelliten angehngt ist, und das Friendica obsolet macht. Diese Vision ist durch den Erfolg von Mastodon selbst veraltet.
Hubzilla ist so komplex, da sogar Veteranen immer wieder neue Sachen lernen, die es schon seit Jahren gibt. Aber die eingebaute Dokumentation ist lckenhaft, hoffnungslos veraltet und vielfach schlicht und ergreifend fehlerhaft. Sie wird gerade neu geschrieben, aber die aktuelle Version gibt's nur auf , und selbst der, der sie schreibt, lernt immer noch Neues ber Hubzilla.
Hubzilla ist voller Hrden fr Neulinge. Es wird gern angepriesen als mit dem ganzen Fediverse verbunden, aber in Wahrheit ist ActivityPub in neuen Kanlen deaktiviert, weil nomadische Identitt damit nicht gut klarkommt. Nicht nur da, sondern statt einfach einen Schalter in den Einstellungen umzulegen, mu man eine "App" "installieren", um Mastodon-Konten folgen zu knnen. Und wenn du als Hubzilla-Newbie einfach so mit Standardeinstellungen lospostest, werden deine Posts wahrscheinlich nicht mal ffentlich sein. Es dauert eine ganze Weile, um einen Hubzilla-Kanal so einzustellen, da er ordentlich funktioniert.
Aber die grte Hrde ist immer noch das fast vllige Fehlen einer Smartphone-App. Es gibt zwar eine App names Nomad. Aber die gibt's nur fr Android. Auf F-Droid. Die benutzt hauptschlich die Weboberflche, statt eine eigene native Mobiloberflche zu haben. Und sie ist seit fnf Jahren unangetastet und kann auf neueren Gerten nicht mal mehr installiert werden. Natrlich kann man Hubzilla auch als Progressive Web App installieren. Aber der durchschnittliche Facebook-Nutzer hat noch nie von Progressive Web Apps gehrt und braucht etwas, was er aus dem Apple App Store oder Google Play Store installieren kann.
Ehrlich gesagt wrde ich sogar sagen, da es fr Facebook-Umsteiger einfacher wre, nach (streams) umzusteigen als nach Hubzilla. Es ist verschlankt, und das war tatschlich schon die erste Generation an Hubzilla-Forks. Es ist moderner und mehr ans heutige Fediverse angepat, weil die Entwicklung von allem nach Hubzilla nicht dadurch ausgebremst wurde, da so ein Software-Monster mitgeschleift werden mute. Es ist immer noch komplex, es ist immer noch mindestens so sicher wie Hubzilla, aber es ist einfacher zu handhaben, weil es darauf ausgelegt ist, was heutzutage in der tglichen Handhabung tatschlich gebraucht wird.
Und trotzdem herrscht in der kleinen (streams)-Community Stille. In der offiziellen (streams)-Gruppe habe ich noch keine Regungen gesehen bezglich Einladen von Facebook-Nutzern nach (streams). Ich glaube nicht, da die gesamte (streams)-Community hinterm Mond lebt und die bevorstehende Facebook-Auswanderungswelle erst noch bemerken mu.
Vielleicht sind sich der Hindernisse wie dem Fehlen von Smartphone-Apps fr (streams) noch mehr bewut. Vielleicht trauen sie keinem neuen (streams)-Nutzer, der nicht vorher durch die Hubzilla-Schule gegangen ist. Vielleicht sind sie selbst nicht sicher, ob (streams) inzwischen wieder stabil genug ist.
Aber vielleicht liegt das schlicht und ergreifend daran, da man auf (streams) kaum ein Zuhause finden kann. Das Problem ist nicht, da (streams)-Instanzen notorisch schwer zu finden sind, weil es auerhalb von (streams) selbst nirgendwo Listen ffentlicher (streams)-Instanzen gibt. Das Problem ist eher, da es von vornherein kaum (streams)-Instanzen gibt.
Meines Erachtens gibt's drei ffentliche (streams)-Instanzen mit offener Registrierung. Eine ist Rumbly in den USA, das um einiges mehr an Nutzern aufnehmen knnte, als es hat. Eine ist die neue Inkarnation von Nomd in Ungarn, die aber keiner kennt. Und die dritte ist Diversi Spiritus in Brasilien, das in den letzten Monaten derartig viele Probleme hatte, da ich niemandem empfehlen wrde, sich da zu registrieren, auch weil der Admin schon mit dem Gedanken gespielt hat, die ganze Instanz plattzumachen und neu aufzusetzen.
Das heit, vielleicht schaffe ich es ja doch, jemanden dazu zu bringen, von Facebook nach (streams) umzusteigen. Irgendwo mu man ja anfangen.
Na ja, und zu guter Letzt sind da die, die allen Ernstes Leute von Facebook ausgerechnet nach Bluesky einladen wollen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Bluesky #Fediverse #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams)All hell has broken loose in the Fediverse. What we have been waiting for since 2010 has happened: Facebook is about to become so unbearable that people want to leave.
But there are several Fediverse factions involved in this.
First of all, the Friendica community would love to migrate as many Facebook users as possible to Friendica which was launched in 2010 explicitly as an alternative to Facebook. But they can't because none of the Friendica veterans is on Facebook anymore.
Instead, surprisingly many Mastodon users want to invite Facebook users over to Friendica. Which, until now, has been considered direct competition for Mastodon. There are lots of Mastodon users shouting their requests for help into the void because they don't know Friendica beyond its name.
And then, of course, there are those who want to pull Facebook folks over to Mastodon. To a wannabe Twitter clone. In fact, there are four such factions:
- those who only know Mastodon and think the Fediverse is only Mastodon
- those who want to stay in contact with their Facebook friends, but who haven't understood the Fediverse, especially the federation between different server applications (you can follow someone on a Facebook alternative from your Twitter clone), and who think this only works when their friends join Mastodon, too
- the fanatic Mastodon fundamentalists who are so convinced of Mastodon's superiority over the whole rest of the Fediverse that they have to chime into each thread about moving to Friendica and propose a move to Mastodon instead
- those who simply cannot stand anyone joining anything that isn't Mastodon even if it's connected to Mastodon
Just like for the Friendica community, this is what the Hubzilla community has been waiting for, too. In fact, they're going into direct competition against Friendica now.
The big difference, however, is that Friendica is better-prepared. It has an easier UI, it has better official documentation, and above all, it has native mobile apps available. There's even the Mastodon client API as a fallback, although Mastodon apps don't even cover 10% of Friendica's features. But even on Facebook, many users rely hard on a phone app that they can pull from the Apple App Store or the Google Play Store. If there's no app for it, it doesn't exist to them.
Meanwhile, the Hubzilla community is trying hard to get Facebook users to join a Hubzilla that's entirely unprepared even for converts from Friendica, much less Facebook. It's still built on an idea of the Fediverse from 2012, the vision of a grid of Hubzilla hubs with everything else that Hubzilla connects to as satellites which would render Friendica obsolete. This vision itself became obsolete with Mastodon's success.
Hubzilla is so complex that even veterans keep learning new things about it which have been there for years already. But the built-in documentation is spotty, hopelessly outdated and in many cases simply wrong. It's being rewritten, but the current version is only available on , and even the guy who writes it keeps learning new stuff about Hubzilla.
Hubzilla is full of obstacles for newbies. It is being marketed as connected to the whole Fediverse, but actually, ActivityPub is off on new channels because it doesn't play along well with nomadic identity. Not only that, but instead of just flicking a switch in the configuration, you have to "install" an "app" to be able to follow Mastodon accounts. On top of that, if you as a Hubzilla newbie start posting away on default settings, your posts probably won't even be public. It takes quite a while to set a Hubzilla channel up so that it works properly.
But the biggest obstacle is the almost total lack of a mobile app. There is one that's called Nomad. But it's only available for Android. Only on F-Droid. Instead of being fully native, it mostly uses the Web interface. And it hasn't been maintained in over five years, so it can't even be installed on newer devices. Sure, you can install Hubzilla as a progressive Web app. But the average Facebook user has never heard of progressive Web apps, and they want something that they can install from the Apple App Store or the Google Play Store.
To be honest, I'd say that it's even easier for Facebook converts to get into (streams) than into Hubzilla. It's slimmed down, in fact, the first generation of Hubzilla forks already was. It's more modern and more adapted to today's Fediverse because the development of everything post-Hubzilla wasn't slowed down by having to drag such a software monster along. It's still complex, it's still at least as secure as Hubzilla, but it's easier to handle because it's built upon what's actually needed in today's daily operation.
And still, the small (streams) community stays mum. I've yet to see any activity in the official (streams) group regarding inviting Facebook users over to (streams). I don't think that the whole (streams) community is living under a rock and has yet to notice the imminent Facebook migration wave.
Maybe it's because they're even more aware of obstacles such as the total lack of mobile apps for (streams). Maybe it's because they don't trust any new (streams) user who hasn't gone through the Hubzilla school first. Maybe it's because they themselves aren't sure whether (streams) is stable enough again.
But maybe it's simply because there's hardly anywhere to go on (streams). The issue isn't that (streams) instances are notoriously hard to find because they aren't listed anywhere outside (streams) itself. The issue is that there are hardly any to begin with.
I think there are three public, open-registration (streams) instances. One is Rumbly in the USA which could handle a whole lot more users than it has. One is the new incarnation of Nomd in Hungary which nobody even knows of. And the third one is Diversi Spiritus in Brazil which had so many issues over the last months that I really wouldn't recommend anyone to join it, also because its admin has repeatedly been taking wiping it clean and re-installing it into consideration.
That is, maybe I'll actually succeed in getting someone to move from Facebook to (streams). You have to start somewhere.
Well, and finally, there are those who seriously want to invite Facebook refugees over to Bluesky out of all places.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Bluesky #Fediverse #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) If people depend hard on phone apps, if they aren't willing to use any Web interface in any browser, and if nobody knows what a progressive Web is, then Friendica is without any competition. There's better Facebook replacement than Friendica, but it's more complex and harder to get into, and there are no phone apps for it.
Recommended phone app for Friendica would be RaccoonForFriendica.
Also, those who have made it over may want to join the Friendica group .
Lastly, remember: All this is the Fediverse. Friendica and Mastodon aren't two separate networks, they are bidirectionally connected and federated.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #RaccoonForFriendica Ich kann nur raten, aber ich schtze: Mastodon soll Twitter ersetzen, Friendica soll Facebook ersetzen, Pixelfed soll Instagram ersetzen.
Aber ich wei aus Erfahrung, da es Leute gibt, die unmittelbar nach Musks bernahme von Twitter nach Mastodon gekommen sind und bis heute nicht verstanden haben, wie das Fediverse funktioniert. Fr die ist es komplett unvorstellbar, da man mit einem Twitter-Ersatz einem Facebook-Ersatz oder einem YouTube-Ersatz folgen kann. Auch wenn sie das wahrscheinlich schon lngst tun, ohne es je gemerkt zu haben.
Fr Friendica gibt's auf jeden Fall einen WordPress-Crossposter, falls dein Blog da sein sollte oder technisch kompatibel. Frag mich aber nicht, wie der funktioniert und ob der immer alle deine Posts nach WordPress spiegelt auch wenn Hubzilla (da bin ich) auch einen hat, habe ich den nie benutzt.
Aber aus Sicht von Veteranen wie , die nicht von Musk von Twitter nach Mastodon verjagt worden sind, ist dein Mastodon-Konto jetzt eigentlich ber. Was du mit Mastodon machen kannst, kannst du auch mit Friendica machen, mit denselben Verbindungen (also auch mit Mastodon-Followers auf Friendica), und zwar sogar noch viel besser.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Friendica
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