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I do, and I shall continue to provide it.
I've just explained how I do it because it may be useful for and his question whether image descriptions in the post are valid.
Let's just say I've gotten away with what I'm doing, but probably mostly because I do two descriptions, one that's as informative as possible, one for convenience to have an image description without opening the content warning and to satisfy the alt-text police.
It could be possible to get away with only an image description in the post, but probably only if it isn't hidden behind a content warning. I don't dare to try it myself, though.
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AI will always be limited in comparison with humans. In order for it to be perfect, every AI out there must be absolutely perfectly omniscient in even the most obscure niche topics possible.
To take my own images as an example: AI may be capable of identifying a virtual 3-D scene as such and tell it from a real-life photograph. But AI cannot tell whether it's a virtual world or a video game. And no AI out there can tell right off the bat with 100% certainty from any image thrown at it that the image was made in a world based on OpenSimulator. To be fair, very very very few humans can.
In order to replace me and my manual writing, every last AI out there would have to be able to tell from an image in which place it was rendered, on which sim (that has been launched only some three days ago or so), in which grid.
Oh, and no AI out there will ever be able to transcribe text that's a fraction of a pixel high. I can. For I don't read the text from the image, but from the original.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #AI #AIVsHuman #HumanVsAI What I do with my original images may seem a bit extreme, but still:
I give a full, detailed image description in the post itself. I don't have any character limit to worry about. Before I run out of characters, my posts grow so long that Mastodon rejects them, and AFAIK, Mastodon rejects anything over 100,000 characters.
That long description in the post contains all necessary explanations and transcripts of all text within the borders of the image. I need that description in the post because it's magnitudes too long to work in alt-text anywhere in the Fediverse.
But only an image description in a post might not satisfy the alt-text police who absolutely demand there be a useful alt-text with a good image description for each image. After all, they can't see the long description right away because the whole post is hidden behind a summary and content warning.
So I write an additional, much shorter image description just for the alt-text.
Also in the alt-text, after the short image description, there is a note that a full and more detailed image description with explanation and text transcripts in the post. If you're on Mastodon, Misskey or any of their forks, it is hidden behind a summary and content warning. If you're on Pleroma, Akkoma, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) or anything else that supports in-line images, it follows right after the image.
That is, "short" is relative. As of recently, my alt-texts either reach the 1,500-character mark precisely, or they stop short of one or two characters.
I can only do without the long image description in the post when I post memes based on existing templates. The image description doesn't have to be so long and detailed, and it fits into the alt-text.
I'm still not sure whether I'll still put all explanations to understand the meme and its own explanation into the post, or whether I'll switch to simply linking to Web sites that explain these things such as or the .
Both would be inconvenient in their own ways, either the inconvenience of external links or the inconvenience of tens of thousands of characters of explanations in one place. But links would be much less work for me, and my meme post output would be higher. On the other hand, there are still things without sufficient explanations anywhere on the Web.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta The issue I have with the comparison with explaining an image to someone over the phone is that I always have to expect the person on the other end to know exactly nothing about the image and its context and whatnot.
I have this issue with all images I post. Pictures from 3-D virtual worlds, memes about these virtual worlds, memes about the Fediverse.
And then I have to explain and explain and explain. And if at least one image from a virtual world is involved, I also have to describe and describe because the person on the other end has no idea at all what this virtual world and anything in it looks like, but they're curious.
Granted, on the phone, I have to explain and describe so much because the person on the other end keeps asking me questions. What is this, what is that, what does this mean, what does that mean, what does this look like, what does that look like
But in the Fediverse, people shouldn't even be required to ask these questions in the first place. Asking questions and waiting for an answer is much more of a hassle in the Fediverse than on the phone.
People shouldn't be required to ask me anything. If they have to ask me for visual detail descriptions or for explanations of certain things, it's almost like they have to ask me for the whole image description in the first place. An incomplete image description feels like no image description at all, just as useless. And not explaining enough feels no better.
To quote you:
That's my very goal.
But first of all, whenever I post an image, I have to deliver a humongous info dump so that even the last casual outsider who happens upon my image post understands it right away, no matter how niche and obscure the topic is.
I always take into consideration what Average Joe knows. Then I look at what is needed to know to understand my image posts. And then I have to fill the gap. I have to fill the entire gap myself, all the way to some very basics. And that gap is huge.
Sometimes, there are Web sites that can provide the needed explanations. But my understanding has always been that external links are too inconvenient, and everything has to be explained in the post itself, right where the image is.
If I explain a meme, I mention which template it is based on. But I can't just drop the name of the template. I have to explain the template. But the template is an image macro and a snowclone, and so I have to explain what an image macro is and what a snowclone is. Image macros were invented in the Something Awful forums and really exploded on 4chan, and so I have to explain what Something Awful is, what 4chan is, what imageboards are.
None of this is common knowledge that I can expect Average Joe to have, or can I I'm pretty sure I can't.
On top of that, I always have to explain what the meme text references. And that's always super-obscure. It's either the Fediverse beyond Mastodon, sometimes even the technology of the Fediverse outside Mastodon or the culture in a non-Mastodon Fediverse area. Or it's 3-D virtual worlds of which maybe one in over 200,000 Fediverse users has even only heard of.
Those 25,000 characters were 1,250 characters of explanation of the image itself. Plus 10,000 characters in six explanations for the meme template because I can't expect everyone to be familiar with the "One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mordor" template and its background. Plus another 12,500 characters in two explanations for the meme text because I can't expect everyone to be familiar with FEP-ef61 and nomadic identity and their background. Half of the whole explanation block is about the context of the meme text.
I mean, I can give one link to the KnowYourMeme page for the template I've used and be done with explaining the template. But linking to external content is inconvenient. People vastly prefer everything being explained in the post.
I've seen it all over this thread. Given the choice between externally-linked explanations and explanations in the post, right where the image is, people vastly prefer explanations in the post because they're infinitely more convenient. It's only when they learn that these explanations would amount to tens of thousands of characters altogether that they see the advantages of external links.
If I just provide a bunch of links, people tend to think I'm weaseling out of a few hundred characters of explanation.
And external explanations are only reliably readily available for meme templates and their backgrounds. It gets trickier for the Fediverse. There is the Join the Fediverse Wiki, but it's still utterly incomplete, and there aren't pages for everything. I can't simply link to an easy-to-understand wiki page for (streams) or for Forkeys or even for certain Forkeys. And even if there's an article on a Fediverse project, the article only covers more or less the technical basics, but it does not explain the culture of this project.
If you want the Misskey culture explained, or if you want the culture on the Forkeys explained, or if you want the Hubzilla culture explained, or if you want Forkeys explained, or if you want (streams) explained, then I'll have to do that. And if you don't want to have to ask, I'll have to do it in the post right away.
It gets even worse when I make memes about virtual worlds. Especially for the particular virtual worlds I post about, there is no general know-it-all wiki on that topic that I could peruse for explanations. There isn't any kind of info site for newbies or interested outsiders whatsoever, especially not with the in-depth technological and/or historical and/or cultural information frequently needed to understand my memes.
Images from these virtual worlds are the most extreme. In addition to extensive explanations, they require extensive visual descriptions that go far beyond the 1,500-character limit that Mastodon, Misskey and their forks not only impose on their own alt-texts, but also on external alt-texts.
I have to intertwine the explanations with visual descriptions. I have to intertwine the visual descriptions with explanations.
And I have to describe a lot. Both sighted and non-sighted people are extremely unlikely to know about these virtual worlds. But both sighted and non-sighted people may be curious about them. After all, hey, there are virtual worlds that actually exist! They're operational! They're alive! The metaverse is a thing that really exists right now!
It's literally like discovering a whole new world. Sighted people who are curious will ignore the context of a post and go wandering about the image and explore it with their eyes.
Blind or visually-impaired people can't do that, but they may want to. They may want to take in all the details of the image, just like sighted people can and do. But they can only do that if I describe the image in all its details. A typically short description that focuses on one or a few elements is as useless to them as no image description at all.
is of no help for me. That's because all I do is extreme edge-cases that have never been dealt with before. Extreme edge-cases that nobody has any even only remote experience with.
I'm the first to ever meme the Fediverse outside of Mastodon.
I'm the first to ever meme these virtual worlds.
And I'm the first to ever even consider describing virtual world images sufficiently.
None of these three has ever been done before I've tried it. And to this day, in all three cases, I'm still the only one who does it.
In fact, I think I was the very first Fediverse user ever to try and describe images while not being entirely constrained by Mastodon's limits. I was the first to explain images in the post itself where I don't have a 500-character limit rather than in the alt-text, and I think I'm still the only one.
This also means that is of no help for me because most of what I do to explain and describe an image does not even happen in the alt-text in the first place.
My meme explanations go into the post and not into the alt-text.
My virtual world images get short, very limited, purely visual descriptions in the alt-text and long, full, detailed, informative, explanatory descriptions plus a full set of text transcripts in the post. That's two descriptions for each image. My record is a bit over 1,400 characters of short description in the alt-text and over 60,000 characters of full description in the post, all for the same image. It took me two full days to write them.
All of this is with no precedence. Nobody else does it. There is zero experience with anything even close to it. And there are no definite guidelines for edge-cases like what I do.
I have to define everything myself. I have to cobble my definitions together from other definitions and guidelines and recommendations and other people's image descriptions. And I have to do it all with almost zero feedback.
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Such a site exists: .
In , I could have replaced six of the nine explanations and some 10,000 of the 25,000 characters with . It comes with links to everything else you need to know, such as what snowclones are.
But from what I had gathered until then, I figured that the majority of Fediverse users prefers everything being explained right where the image is, and requiring people to open external Web sites to get information necessary for understanding the image is so inconvenient that it may just as well be ableist. And not serving everyone all information needed to understand an image on a silver platter felt potentially ableist to me, too.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility #Ableist #Ableism First of all, the explanation is not only for blind users. It does not go into the alternative text for the image. For one, while I can theoretically post 25,000 characters of alt-text, they couldn't be read anywhere, and Mastodon, Misskey and their forks would cut 23,500 of these characters off. Besides, explanations do not belong into the alt-text in general. Physically disabled people who, for example, can't use their hands can't access alt-text, and so any information that's only available in the alt-text is lost to them.
Instead, I always put my explanations into the post itself. I've got room enough. I don't have a character limit to worry about.
And my explanations are for everyone, not only for blind or visually-impaired users. I've read often enough that even image descriptions can be useful for fully sighted people who can see the image, but who don't have the foggiest idea what they're even looking at.
From this, I've learned that it's a good idea to make image descriptions not the absolute bare necessities, but actually informative and explanatory. Thus, my full, long image descriptions for my non-meme images are even longer than my meme explanations because what the images show is too obscure for anyone to easily identify.
In particular, my non-meme image descriptions as well as my meme explanations shall also help autistic or otherwise neurodivergent people who often need extensive explanations for images they don't understand, and who have the patience and the attention span to wade through an info dump which takes a screen reader half an hour or a full hour or even longer to read out.
The reason why I've explicitly asked blind users for advice is because I didn't want to throw them and especially not the majority of them in front of a bus by explaining my meme posts the wrong way.
It was a drastic step, I know. But the Fediverse is Mastodon-centric, accessibility only matters on Mastodon, and at the same time, Mastodon is absolutely terrible for discussions among more than two users. Also, in spite of over 500 followers, my reach is so limited that shouting requests for advice into the void doesn't get me anywhere.
I mean, I'd love to have something like a forum where people can discuss accessibility in the Fediverse, including Mastodon users. But such a thing doesn't exist, and it probably never will.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility The problem with accessibility standards for social media would be that one-size-fits-all is impossible. Different places have different possibilities. Even within the Fediverse, one standard for everything wouldn't work out.
It wouldn't make much sense to define one standard based on what can be done on Mastodon with its default limits of 500 characters for posts, 1,500 characters for alt-text and no text formatting whatsoever if (streams), where I post my memes, can offer you over 24 million characters and HTML. Even on (streams), it makes a difference whether one has ActivityPub on or not because it makes a difference whether one has to take into account how places like Akkoma, Misskey or especially Mastodon render things.
So if the WAI defines social media accessibility standards for the Fediverse based only on vanilla Mastodon's capabilities, they'd build them around Mastodon's minuscule character limit. These standards would either require additional information to be linked, or they would allow explanations in the alt-text, thus throwing physically disabled people who can't access alt-text in front of the bus.
At the same time, these special measures that take Mastodon's character limit into account would be completely senseless in those parts of the Fediverse where you have thousands of characters or practically no limit at all.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #WAI #WebAccessibilityInitiative #WCAG #A11y #Accessibility I'm on Hubzilla. It normally doesn't have Mastodon's CW culture, also because it has its own older and, in the opinion of most users, better solution. Still, since most of my readers are on Mastodon, I normally add a Mastodon-style CW along with a Hubzilla-style summary. The only exceptions are replies for which Hubzilla does not provide a summary field to put a Mastodon-style CW into.
In the case of the start post, the summary and CW would have read, quote:
"Request for advice: Do you prefer links to external explanations or 25,000 characters of explanations in the post itself CW: long (over 3,800 characters), Fediverse meta, Fediverse beyond Mastodon meta, image description meta"
End of quote.
This one time, I intentionally made an exception and omitted the summary and CW. I guessed that my summaries and CWs actually kept many Mastodon users from accessing my posts. I guessed that this could have been a contributing factor to my complete lack of success in gathering advice and feedback for image descriptions lately.
As for my explanations, I always write them myself. I have to match them to each other and, if the image isn't a meme, the long visual description. And sometimes there are no explanations that I could link to because what has to be explained is too obscure.
So if you prefer explanations in the post, do you still prefer them if they're excessively long Like one image that goes with nine explanations of altogether 25,000 characters I've actually recently written just that, and I think it was more than reasonable.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility I've actually taken into consideration explaining who Boromir is and what Mordor is. But that explanation would have amounted to a full explanation of The Lord of the Rings, also because the explanation of the template mentions Elrond, Gimli, the One Ring etc. I would have had to explain all of them and all of that.
For one, I'm not too familiar with the storyline myself, so I would have had to look it up first. Besides, this explanation would have been the longest of all by far.
Lastly, the explanations are not part of the alt-text that is an alternative for the image. It is not only for blind or visually-impaired users. It is for everyone, including neurodiverse users who often need extensive explanations. Thus, it goes into the actual post. The alt-text only contains a visual description, a transcript of the meme text and a note that there are explanations in the post.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility The meme is short. It's just a picture of Boromir saying, "One does not simply implement FEP-ef61."
But if everyone and anyone anywhere in the Fediverse is supposed to understand it with no links leading to external explanations, if it's up to me to explain everything down to the basics in the post, it requires a lot of explanation.
Nine explanations altogether.
The meme explanation itself.
Then two explanations for the meme explanation, one for the "One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mordor" meme template, one for FEP-ef61 and nomadic identity.
The former needs three additional explanations of their own, and these three need another two explanations. The latter needs another explanation.
I can't expect things like snowclones, advice animals or Something Awful to be common enough knowledge. And I know that three out of four Fediverse users have never even heard of Hubzilla, knowledge about which is necessary to understand my explanation of FEP-ef61 and nomadic identity.
So they need explanations. And as links to external Web sites are too inconvenient, I have to explain it all myself.
In fact, I stopped short of also explaining The Lord of the Rings and ActivityPub.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility You prefer explanations in the post, no matter how long they are, no matter how much must be explained
Do you prefer 25,000 characters of explanation in one piece, in one single post, over a handful of Web links
Yes, 25,000 characters. In nine explanations altogether. For one image. I've recently done that with an image macro that reads, "One does not simply implement FEP-ef61."
Sure, I can explain that image. But in order for most people to understand that without external links, I also have to explain the "One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mordor" meme template. And I have to explain FEF-ef61 and the concept of nomadic identity.
That's three explanations in one post.
In order for people to understand my explanation of the "One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mordor" meme, I have to explain snowclones, image macros and advice animals. I can't expect them to be known, right
So that's six explanations in one post.
In order for people to understand these three, I also have to explain Something Awful and 4chan including imageboards in general. I've mentioned them, but I can't expect people to know both right off the bat, so I have to explain them.
That's eight explanations in one post.
Oh, and I also have to explain Hubzilla and the streams repository so that people understand my explanation of FEP-fe61 and nomadic identity. This explanation won't work without rambling down the full, 14-year-long history of Hubzilla and (streams), starting with Mistpark in 2010, ending with Forte in 2024, and including three different Fediverse protocols.
And that's nine explanations and 25,000 characters for one image. All just so that everyone anywhere in the Fediverse understands this post without having to look up anything outside the post.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility Well, I'm not a Web designer or developer. I was talking about meme posts in the Fediverse and explaining the memes.
And I wasn't talking about squeezing those monstrous descriptions into the alt-text. Explanations should never go into the alt-text in general.
I was talking about putting them into the post itself. I can do that. Where Mastodon's default character limit is 500, and yours is 11,000, mine is over 24 million.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility In general, how do you prefer meme templates used in a meme to be explained
Do you prefer a link to someplace that specialises in these things and is competent enough, e.g. KnowYourMeme
Or do you say that external links are too much of a hassle, and absolutely everything must be explained in the post itself
If the latter, keep in mind that this can easily be a whole lot of explanation. My most recent meme post required a whole of nine explanations with altogether 25,000 characters, all of which went into that one post. Six of these explanations could have been covered by KnowYourMeme. I'm not quite convinced that tens of thousands of characters of explanations for one image are actually more accessible and inclusive than a handful of external links.
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I'm terribly sorry for writing to you out of the blue, but absolutely all more acceptable ways of trying to get some feedback or advice from Mastodon users have failed me this week. And I take it that you are in the right position to give me competent feedback or advice in accessibility.
So here's my question right away: What do blind users prefer when it comes to explaining images Externally linked explanations Or everything explained in the post, even if this amounts to tens of thousands of characters of only explanation
Now allow me to elaborate. This is going to be long.
I am someone who always tries to get image descriptions and explanations as right as possible. You may or may know that already.
So here's the thing: I've started posting memes again just recently. And I'm trying hard to max out the accessibility of my meme posts. Since I'm not on Mastodon, I don't have Mastodon's limitations in my way. In particular, I don't have character limits to worry about. This means that I can describe and especially explain a whole lot of things in the post itself rather than having to squeeze it into the alt-text.
Until now, it has always looked to me like it's better to give all necessary explanations in the post than to link to external explanations. One or a few people have told me so. And I've run a poll a while ago, and eight out of the nine sighted voters as well as the one sole non-sighted voter preferred explanations in the post over externally-linked explanations.
Now, if I want to explain a meme post in a way that everyone understands it, I have to explain a lot. I've written a half-experimental meme post based on the "One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mordor" meme.
So I had to explain the post itself. But I also had to explain the "One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mordor" meme. In order for people to understand that explanation, I had to explain snowclones, image macros and advice animals. In order for people to understand these three extra explanations, I also had to explain Something Awful and 4chan including a general explanation of imageboards. Also, in order for people to understand my post, I had to explain FEP-ef61, nomadic identity, Hubzilla, the streams repository and the whole 14-year history of the latter two from Mistpark from 2010 to this year's Forte and their various underlying protocols.
That one meme post required nine explanations with some 25,000 characters. And in fact, I could have explained The Lord of the Rings and the ActivityPub protocol on top of that, but I took both for common enough knowledge that my post is understandable enough without explaining them.
Again, 25,000 characters of explanations for one image, just so the image can be understood without any external information. Apparently, it's exactly this which the Fediverse prefers.
But I can't believe that this is actually what the Fediverse prefers. First of all, I've been told again and again that tens of thousands of characters are not accessible because they're much too long, regardless of where I put them. It's hard to believe that they're supposed to still be more accessible than external links. Besides, my information almost entirely comes from sighted people.
So here's my question again: Do blind people really prefer 25,000 characters of explanation for one meme post over externally-linked explanations
(Deliberately without a content warning this time to make this post more easily accessible.)
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility Selbst dann hast du gewisse Stufen der Messengerkenntnis.
Stufe 1, auf der stehen die meisten: Es gibt nur WhatsApp.
Stufe 2: Es gibt WhatsApp und Telegram. Sonst noch Schulterzucken.
Bis hierhin hast du ca. 98% der Deutschen zusammen.
Stufe 3: Es gibt WhatsApp und Telegram, die sind unsicher und bse. Aber es gibt ja auch noch Signal und/oder Threema, die sind voll super-sicher. Und das war's dann auch.
So manch einer auf dem Level hlt sich fr den ultimativen bergeek und 1337en H4xx0r.
Stufe 4: Zentralisierte, von Unternehmen betriebene Dienste sind alle bse. Aber man wei, da es XMPP und/oder Matrix gibt. Und nur die bzw. einer von denen ist sicher.
Auf diesem Level sind allenfalls Leute, die Linux jenseits von Ubuntu LTS, Mint, MX und anderen notorischen Newbie-Distris als Daily Driver nutzen und kommerziellen Betriebssystemen weitestgehend oder komplett abgeschworen, die mindestens einen OpenPGP-Key haben und/oder mit jemandem aus dem Chaos Computer Club auf Du stehen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #WhatsApp #Telegram #Signal #Threema #XMPP #Matrix That's because just about everyone who has joined the Fediverse since Elon Musk has announced to take over Twitter, which means the vast majority of Fediverse users, "learned" upon joining that the Fediverse = Mastodon. They spent at least the first few weeks or months thinking that.
After learning and accepting that there's more to the Fediverse than Mastodon, they switched to believing that Mastodon was here first. After all, it can't be any other way, especially since Mastodon is so much bigger than everything else. Gargron has invented the Fediverse and ActivityPub. And everything else is nothing but either an add-on to Mastodon or, even better, basically an alternative UI for Mastodon. Just like a Mastodon app for your phone, but for your browser.
Now, the Fediverse not being Mastodon can be something they notice themselves sooner or later, usually when they first come across a post with more than 500 characters and bold type and italics and a bullet-point list and what-have-you. Or, better yet, when someone replies to them with such stuff that can impossibly have come from Mastodon.
But nobody will notice by themselves that the Fediverse is older than Mastodon, that Gargron did not invent everything, that Mastodon is not the reference implementation and the gold standard of ActivityPub.
You can't tell right off the bat that the guy who has just replied to you is on something that's ten months or five and a half years older than Mastodon, and a Mastodon mobile app will neither show you how old an account or a channel as nor how far back its post backlog goes.
You have to go around and tell everyone individually, one by one. And even then it will be unbelievable and inconceivable.
And so, for everyone Mastodon user who understands and accepts that, you still have countless Mastodon users who want to force Mastodon's standards, Mastodon's culture, Mastodon's feature set upon the entire rest of the Fediverse. People who e.g. want to force Friendica users to drop Friendica's culture which dates back to 2010, replace it with Mastodon's culture which, in its current shape, is from late 2022, and stop using any and all features that Friendica has that Mastodon doesn't. Or even, that most Mastodon instances didn't have in late October, 2022, when the second Twitter migration wave kicked off.
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However, this was never meant to be a one-off. It was meant to be the prototype for dozens of meme posts to come, all with explanations on the same level. I don't intend to re-write them everytime, I'll rather copy-paste together what I already have and write what I don't.
But if you say it is not overkill to explain dozens of single meme posts with over 20,000 characters each...
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Meme #MemesSo I have .
I've tried a new format: Explanation of all I thought needs to be explained to a casual audience. Explanations are in the post. According to , people prefer explanations in the same post as the image over external explanations linked into the post.
This led to almost 25,000 characters of explanation, however, because I had to explain
Yes, nine explanations. And almost 25,000 characters. Yes, that's a lot. But yes, that's what people have voted for, so that's apparently what they prefer over linked external content.
In fact, it could be even more, but I've decided that The Lord of the Rings is common enough knowledge for me not to have to explain that and its characters as well. I'm not sure if an explanation of the ActivityPub standard and how FEPs work would have been necessary.
I've only described the image itself in the alt-text this time. The image is not so exotic that I need to describe every last detail. Still, the image description might be lacking because I haven't described what Boromir looks like (age, skin tone, hair colour, hair length, hairstyle, clothes). I thought it wouldn't matter within the context of a meme.
I could really need some feedback before I assemble the next meme post. Maybe some of you can boost/repost/renote/repeat/"retoot" this to increase my reach.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Meme #Memes #A11y #Accessibility #FediHelp #AskFedi #FeedbackRequest Aber die gewaltige Mehrzahl der Leute, die in den letzten zwei Jahren von Twitter nach Mastodon gekommen sind, wei berhaupt nicht, da es ihn gibt, geschweige denn, wer das ist.
Erst "wissen" sie monatelang, das Fediverse ist nur Mastodon. Viele tun das sichtlicherweise bis heute.
Wenn sie das nicht mehr glauben, glauben sie immer noch gerne, Eugen Rochko htte alles erfunden, Mastodon, das Fediverse und ActivityPub, entweder 2016 oder vielleicht gar erst 2022 als Reaktion auf Elon Musks Ankndigung, Twitter aufzukaufen. Die glauben folglich auch, Friendica sei als Add-on oder Alternativ-UI nachtrglich an Mastodon drangebaut worden. Und nicht etwa ganze fnfeinhalb Jahre lter als Mastodon, weil das geht ja gar nicht.
Viele glauben ja auch, das Fediverse sei nur ActivityPub. Von OStatus haben die nie gehrt. Schon gar nicht davon, da es vor ActivityPub das Fediverse-Protokoll war. Nicht mal davon, da Mastodon mit OStatus anfing.
Das wird am offenkundigsten in jedem BridgyFed-Bluesky-Bridge-Drama-Thread da drauen. Die Leute wollen im Fediverse kein Bluesky, kein AT-Protokoll, nur ActivityPub. Tja, h, und was ist mit OStatus Vor allem, was ist mit Zot und Nomad, die immer noch die Basisprotokolle von Hubzilla und (streams) sind
Da gibt's kein "ja klar, natrlich, die sind Teil des Fediverse". Da gibt's aber auch kein vehementes Ablehnen dieser beiden Protokolle mit der Begrndung, deren Nutzer sind ja alle Freaks, die unbedingt alles anders machen mssen als Mastodon/arrogante Arschlcher/rassistische Dreckschweine. Da gibt's gar nichts. Natrlich gibt's da nichts laut einer Umfrage haben 75% der Fediverse-Nutzer schon von Hubzilla noch nie auch nur gehrt.
Nur weil etwas so ist, wie es ist, mu es noch lngst nicht jeder im Fediverse wissen. Und nicht jeder im Fediverse sieht das Fediverse mit den Augen und dem Erfahrungsschatz eines alten Friendica-Hasen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NichtNurMastodon
Wenn man sie denn kennt.
Aber vor allem die groen, populren Mehrzweck-Instanzen, auf die gerne Newbies gesplt werden, besonders die englischsprachigen (mastodon.social, mastodon.online, mas.to usw.), die haben alle das 500-Zeichen-Limit. Und da gewhnen sich Mastodon-Newbies an dieses Limit. Und wenn sie das erste Mal einen lngeren Post sehen, kacken sie vor Schreck Ziegelsteine.
Dann kennt keiner in deiner Bubble , einen englischsprachigen Fediverse-Aktivisten und ziemlich radikalen Antirassisten, der obendrein ein Problem mit allem im Fediverse zu haben scheint, was nicht Mastodon ist.
In und ganz spezifisch fordert er dazu auf, mehr schwarzen Nutzern zu folgen und ihnen zu mehr Reichweite zu verhelfen, ganz einfach nur weil sie schwarz sind.
Ich habe geschrieben, ich wrde der schwarzen Community gern helfen, aber das werde ich nicht tun. Mein Stream ist kuratiert, und ich versuche, ihn thematisch so zu spezialisieren wie meinen ganzen Kanal, damit die Menge an Nachrichten nicht berhand nimmt und ich nicht stndig durch einen Wust an Off-Topic-Kram waten mu.
Jetzt schon haben 85% meiner Kontakte keine Berechtigung, mir Posts zu schicken, und von den brigen 15% filtere ich bei so einigen die Boosts raus. Teilweise habe ich bei sehr aktiven Leuten sogar individuelle Wortfilter, die uninteressanten Content aussperren.
Ich habe auch erklrt, inwiefern Hubzilla anders ist als Mastodon: Auf Mastodon siehst du nicht, wieviele ungelesene Nachrichten du hast. Du machst deine Timeline auf und scrollst runter, solange du Zeit und Bock hast. Und wo du keine Zeit und/oder keinen Bock hast hinzuscrollen, das liest du dann eben nicht.
Hubzilla hat aber einen Zhler fr ungelesene Nachrichten und eine Liste ungelesener Nachrichten. Da kann man die ungelesenen Nachrichten threadweise aufrufen. Ich sehe also immer, wieviele ungelesene Nachrichten ich habe.
Ich habe gesagt, so oder so habe ich keinen Bock, mir Kontakte ans Bein zu binden, die meinen Stream ums Mehrdutzendfache mit fr mich im Rahmen der Themen meines Kanals vllig uninteressanten Mll aufblhen. Ich sagte, ich knnte die ungelesenen Nachrichten natrlich erstmal rausfiltern, die von potentiell interessanten Kontakten zuerst lesen und die von definitiv uninteressanten Kontakten hinterher ungelesenermaen als gelesen markieren, aber das kann's ja auch nicht sein.
Daraufhin hat er mich als Rassisten bezeichnet.
Ich habe zwar keine konkreten Beispiele, aber es gibt Mastodon-Nutzer, die regen sich schon ber 2000 Zeichen am Stck von tatschlichem Inhalt auf. Das bekomme ich aber meistens gar nicht und manchmal nur zufllig mit, weil sie das hnlich wie auf Twitter machen, meine berlangen Posts verlinken, darber abstnkern und mich nicht mal erwhnen, damit ich das nicht merke.
Und ja, das gibt's im englischsprachigen (wo ich mich berwiegend aufhalte) wie im deutschsprachigen Fediverse.
Wahrscheinlich ist es fr mich tatschlich riskanter, Bilder in meinen Posts so angemessen ausfhrlich zu beschreiben und so notwendigermaen ausfhrlich zu erklren, wie ich es tue, als sie berhaupt nicht zu beschreiben und zu erklren. Letzteres fhrt nur dazu, da meine Bilderposts nicht geboostet werden, aber wer boostet die schon Vielleicht kommt alle Jubeljahre jemand und fordert mich auf, einen Alt-Text zu schreiben. Ersteres drfte aber jedes Mal dazu fhren, da mich mehr Leute sperren, weil durch die Bildbeschreibung und -erklrung der Post auf einige zigtausend Zeichen angewachsen ist.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Zeichenlimit #Zeichenlimits #500Zeichen #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #Bildbeschreibung #Bildbeschreibungen #BiBesch #BildbeschreibungenMeta #CWBildbeschreibungenMeta Klar, es gibt solche und solche.
Beispielsweise Elena Rossini, die ist ja Bloggerin. Die war bis letzte Woche oder so ziemlich bombenfest auf Mastodon. Dann hat sie fr ihr Blog Friendica ausprobiert und will gar nicht wieder weg.
Es gibt auch die, die wrden gern umziehen, scheuen aber den Umzug an sich. Das wird sich so schnell auch nicht ndern. Einen Umzug nach woanders wird Mastodon nie untersttzen. Und selbst wenn irgendwann nomadische Identitt in ActivityPub mittels FEP-ef61 serienreif ist und von mehr und mehr Fediverse-Projekten implementiert wird, wird ausgerechnet Mastodon das nicht bernehmen. Eher riskiert es, inkompatibel zum brigen Fediverse zu werden.
Aber es gibt auch die, fr die Mastodon der Goldstandard ist. Die glauben, alles hat mit Mastodon angefangen. Die glauben, Rochko hat das Fediverse und ActivityPub erfunden, und alles, was nicht Mastodon ist, ist nachtrglich an Mastodon drangeschraubt worden. Die glauben auch, da Mastodon deshalb so gro und populr ist, weil es eben von allen am besten ist. Und wenn etwas nicht so funktioniert wie Mastodon, ist es kaputt und gehrt "repariert" (= an Mastodon angeglichen). berhaupt knnen sie nicht verstehen, warum "die" damals Friendica usw. anders gemacht haben als Mastodon.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon Ein paar Beispiele:
Mastodon-Nutzer, die allen Nicht-Mastodon-Nutzern verbieten wollen, mehr als 500 Zeichen auf einmal zu posten. Wenn man mehr als 500 Zeichen zu sagen hat, hat man die geflligst auf mehrere Schnipsel in einem Thread aufzuteilen. Und dann hat man bitteschn alles ab dem zweiten Post (ersten Kommentar) auf "Unlisted" zu schalten. Wie, das kann man angeblich nicht
Oder Mastodon-Nutzer, die von Friendica-, Hubzilla- und (streams)-Nutzern verlangen, alle mglichen CWs ins Zusammenfassungsfeld zu packen. Und zwar genau die CWs, die sie persnlich "brauchen", aber keine anderen. Ach ja, und sich dann am besten noch aufregen, wenn die Friendica-, Hubzilla- und (streams)-Nutzer ein paar mehr Hashtags einbauen, um ihre eigenen CWs automatisch generiert werden. Oh, und Gott bewahre, wenn man das "CW-Feld" fr was anderes nutzt, z. B. eine Zusammenfassung.
Oder auf Friendica, Hubzilla oder (streams) ist es vllig normal, auf irgendeinen Kommentar zu irgendeinem Post zu antworten, weil wir zu den Posts, die wir empfangen, auch alle danach gettigten Kommentare serviert bekommen. Auf Mastodon ist exakt dasselbe Verhalten Reply-Guying, Mansplaining und eine Todsnde. Noch schlimmer, wenn man das tut, um jemanden darber aufzuschlauen, da das Fediverse nicht nur Mastodon ist.
Und ich schtze, Mastodon-Nutzer wrden sich auch darber aufregen, wenn sie wten, da sie uns auf Hubzilla oder (streams) nicht zwingend ihre Trts schicken drfen, auch wenn wir ihnen "zurckfolgen". Oder da wir Filter pro Kontakt haben und die auch mal nutzen.
Wenn Mastodon erst Quote-Trts einfhrt mit Opt-In-Erlaubnisschalter, dann werden sich die Mastodon-Nutzer aufregen, wenn wir sie auch dann quote-posten, wenn sie keine Erlaubnis dazu gegeben haben. Ja, wenn dieser Schalter nur innerhalb von Mastodon funktioniert, woher sollen wir dann wissen, ob wir sie quote-posten drfen Auerdem haben Friendica-User schon gequote-postet, da war Eugen Rochko noch nicht mal volljhrig.
Aber wenn die Quote-Trts nebst Schalter mit der Regel kommen, da jede Instanz, die sich nicht an den Schalter hlt, gefediblockt wird, dann bekommen wir die Teilung des Fediverse sowieso vollautomatisch. Dann werden die ganzen Mastodon-Instanzen nmlich mindestens alle Instanzen von Misskey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, Catodon, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte (wenn das dann irgendwann Instanzen hat) usw. blockieren. Die knnen nmlich quote-posten, untersttzen aber den Schalter auf Mastodon nicht, zumal dessen Funktionalitt wahrscheinlich eh nirgendwo dokumentiert werden wird.
Und sollten dann irgendwelche Mastodon-Nutzer behaupten, irgendwelche Nicht-Mastodon-Projekte htten Quote-Posts nur eingefhrt, um Mastodon-Nutzer zu belstigen, dann kann ich sagen: Das habe ich vorher geahnt.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NichtNurMastodon Well, since you refuse to give simple, clear answers to my questions, and you prefer to beat around the bush, I'll suppose that the answers to all four questions are, "Yes, it is racist."
This is what I take away from what you've written in this thread. This is how I understand it. And you're making no apparent attempt whatsoever at communicating the opposite.
But: Yes, I will continue to curate my stream the way I want. I will continue to use Hubzilla like Hubzilla instead of using it like Mastodon. I will continue to prefer Hubzilla over Mastodon.
And I am not sorry for any of it. Because what I'm doing is absolutely normal and natural where I am. And I am not the only one who does it.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Hubzilla #Racist #RacismI don't want to rattle down the features of Hubzilla and (streams) and their whole history from Mistpark in 2010 to Forte in 2024 just to explain a meme image. It's bad enough already that I have to explain nomadic identity.
But I guess there's no other way if I want everyone to understand the image without requiring them to resort to external sources of information.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mistpark #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #NomadicIdentity #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #A11y #Accessibility Can you please answer my questions already
If I choose to curate my stream by topic and thereby refuse to follow users regardless of what they have to say, even if these users are Black, is that racist Yes or no
If I mention the existence a safer alternative to Mastodon that's still in the Fediverse to Black users, unsolicitedly, is that racist Yes or no If it's racist, in how many and which ways (I could count at least two.)
If I refuse to support Mastodon instances because I hate specifically Mastodon with a burning passion, even if the instance admins are Black, is that racist Yes or no
New question: If I use Hubzilla like Hubzilla, if I refuse to use Hubzilla like Mastodon, and this leads to no additional support for the Black community, is that racist Yes or no
I honestly, sincerely do not know whether you consider any of this racist. No, I don't. So please stop acting like it was all clear to me. Because it isn't.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Racist #Racism I wasn't only posting this with raw technology in mind. I was also thinking about cultural differences that arose from the technological differences.
Friendica and Hubzilla are technologically very different from Mastodon. Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) users are rather used to that. They try to cope with it the best they can, although this alone brings its own bunch of issues with itself.
Mastodon users, on the other hand, are not used to it. Many of them have come to Mastodon from Twitter over the last two years, believing that Mastodon is only one Web site. And pretty much all of them, every last one of them, came to Mastodon, believing that the Fediverse that everyone talks about is Mastodon. And nothing else.
Those who have invited them to Mastodon have not told them that Mastodon is connected to things that aren't Mastodon, much less that Mastodon is connected to things that are very much not Mastodon.
Nearly all Twitter refugees on Mastodon have spent their first several months on Mastodon in this belief. They've settled into and gotten used to a Fediverse that's only Mastodon.
Many, not all of them, but many have since found out that there are things in the Fediverse that are very different from Mastodon. For not exactly few, it was a disturbing, if not outright traumatising experience to see that some Fediverse users can post over 500 characters at once. Or that some Fediverse users can easily "quote-toot" Mastodon toots, using something which is used on to harass members of marginalised minorities.
They didn't want that. They still don't want that. They want to make it go away again, so disturbing is it.
By and by, at least some Mastodon users face other differences between Mastodon on the one side and things like Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) on the other side. For example, what the way these three handle conversations means in practice for users of Mastodon which doesn't have a concept of conversations. Or that Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) users do not react when someone on Mastodon mentions them out of the blue. Everyone on Mastodon would notice it, so it's beyond a Mastodon user's comprehension that Friendica and Hubzilla users don't notice it by default.
So on the one hand, Mastodon users are increasingly stressed out by Friendica being Friendica and Hubzilla being Hubzilla. They ask themselves: "Why did they make everything so different from Mastodon Why couldn't they have made it all just like Mastodon in the first place"
It's incomprehensible to them that Friendica and Hubzilla were both made before Mastodon. For how can something in the Fediverse possible pre-date Eugen Rochko's invention of the Fediverse It's also incomprehensible to them that something in the Fediverse can be something else than a Twitter clone. Or they simply don't know how Facebook, which Friendica aims to be an alternative to, works differently from Twitter as well.
On the other hand, Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) users are increasingly stressed out by Mastodon users trying to force Mastodon's culture upon them, along with Mastodon's limitations. Not few Mastodon users try to make Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) behave more like Mastodon by putting pressure on their users to a) always do everything the Mastodon way and b) stop making use of features that Mastodon doesn't have.
If you've never come across a Mastodon user complaining about a post or comment of yours being too long because you've exceeded the holy limit of 500 characters, then I'm very certain that you will.
Food for thought: This entire conflict would disappear with a split. Mastodon users would be spared from utterly non-Mastodon things. And non-Mastodon uers would be spared from demands to stop making use of 90% of all features they have at hand just because Mastodon doesn't have them.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #CharacterLimit #CharacterLimits #500Characters #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebate #QuoteTootDebate
If I choose to curate my stream by topic and thereby refuse to follow Black users regardless of what they have to say, is that racist or not
If I mention the existence a safer alternative to Mastodon that's still in the Fediverse to Black users, unsolicitedly, is that racist or not, and if so, in how many and which ways (I could count at least two.)
If I refuse to support Black-led Mastodon instances because I hate specifically Mastodon with a burning passion, is that racist or not
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Racist #Racism
It quickly becomes a problem for Mastodon users who expect Hubzilla to act exactly like Mastodon if Hubzilla doesn't act exactly like Mastodon.
And my choice of technology is also a problem for Mastodon users because, due to being so much different and older than Mastodon, Hubzilla has its own culture which is very different from Mastodon's, and Hubzilla's users don't want to give up their culture and adopt Mastodon's culture instead, especially not if that means abstaining from using features which Hubzilla has and Mastodon doesn't. Quote-posts, for example. Or no character limits.
Hubzilla does work the way I want. Otherwise I would long since have moved away.
The problem is that Hubzilla doesn't work the way Mastodon users want.
The very same features can be perfectly normal from Hubzilla's POV and actually the reason why Hubzilla users use Hubzilla and outright disturbing from Mastodon's POV.
I am actually following at least one Black woman who is active in OpenSim, . Not sure about right now I can't always tell the real-life skin colour of the user behind a 3-D avatar right off the bat.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #OpenSim #OpenSimulator No mechanism. Only the very nature of cloning and clones and nomadic identity.
A clone is not a separate entity from the main instance or the other clones. A clone does not have its own individual identity. Mastodon thinks a clone is a separate account with its own identity, but it isn't.
A nomadic clone is the main instance, just elsewhere.
Again:
The Fediverse ID of my main instance, , is
The Fediverse ID of my clone, , is
Open both. Look at them. Compare them. They're identical.
And they're acting as one because they are one.
They are not like two connected Mastodon accounts. They are like one Mastodon account simultaneously residing on two Mastodon instances.
I could log onto hub.hubzilla.de where the clone is and send a post. This post would still come from
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #NomadicIdentityI could post the entire context of this for better understanding.
But for one, this would require sharing (= Friendica/Hubzilla/(streams) lingo of quote-posting) a whole number of very long (= way over 500 characters) comments on a not exactly short post. And besides, I guess quote-posting an anti-racist activist falls under harassment and therefore racism itself. Because quote-posts are always harassment.
In fact, I'm now waiting for hub.netzgemeinde.eu to be added to Fediverse blocklists. I can already see Mastodon users try to have the hub.netzgemeinde.eu moderation sanction me, only to fail because
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebate #QuoteTootDebate #Racist #Racism #FediblockMeta That post is by me. And it's completely sincere. All I've written there, I've learned from a very avid anti-racist, . The thread in which I've learned it starts .
Also, claiming that I, quote, "don't see the racism on the Fediverse", end quote, is a strawman all in itself. I have never said anything like it.
I'm someone who takes a closer look at Fediverse culture and tries to fulfill people's needs as much as possible. You want CWs, I CW everything that might go on your nerves. Even though Mastodon-style CWs aren't part of the culture of Hubzilla where I reside. And I double my CWs with hashtags.
You want quality image descriptions, I write the longest, most detailed, most informative image descriptions in the whole Fediverse. You insist in there always being an image description in the alt-text, I write a second image description in addition to the super-long one in the post and squeeze it into the alt-text.
So when wrote the start post I've linked above, I took a closer look at it to see what of it I can do to which extents. But it turned out I couldn't really do anything on it.
Point one: "Listen more to more Black people and amplify their voices"
Now you're wondering what my problem with this is. Why can't I just simply follow a couple more Black users and especially Black activists
For two reasons.
One, my channel specialises in two topics. The primary topic is OpenSim particularly and 3-D virtual worlds in general. The secondary topic is the Fediverse beyond Mastodon. This is not a personal, all-purpose outlet.
Two, I'm not on Mastodon. I'm on Hubzilla. It has a bunch of significant differences from Mastodon.
For example, on Mastodon, you go to your timeline, and you scroll down as far as you want to. Everything else you can safely ignore as if you've never received it. On Hubzilla, however, I have a counter of unread messages which unfolds to a list with links to all unread messages.
If I let all kinds of people pump posts that I'm not interested in within the scope of this channel onto my stream, it'll a) end up filled with hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of unread messages every morning, and b) most of it is completely uninteresting cruft.
I already have a problem with random Mastodon users who want to follow me. What they don't know is that Hubzilla mainly only knows mutual connections like Facebook friends. If I allow them to follow me, I must inevitably follow them back. So in order to keep them from spamming my stream, I don't allow them to send me their posts. I have a setting for that. Some 85% of my contacts are not allowed to send me posts.
For many of the remaining 15%, I have per-contact filters. These usually start with filter lines that remove boosts because some people boost like there's no tomorrow, and it's always uninteresting rubbish to me. Some even have filter lines beyond that to weed out more uninteresting cruft.
If I could, if Hubzilla's filters weren't too broken for that right now, I'd only let posts through which contain keywords that indicate that these posts contain something interesting for me.
Well, and now I shall follow people who have nothing interesting to say within the scope of this channel just because of the colour of their skin. And, of course, this means I must grant them permissions to send me everything. I guess I'm not even allowed to filter their boosts out.
My refusal to allow magnitudes more messages to flood onto my stream, none of which are even remotely interesting to me within the scope of this channel, was called racist.
Or point four: "Support Black people and Black-led instances and projects"
"Black-led instances". Sorry, but every last single one of them is on Mastodon.
Again, I'm not on Mastodon. I'm on something that's both older than Mastodon and vastly more powerful than Mastodon. I don't even like Mastodon. I hate Mastodon and its "we rule supreme over the whole Fediverse, adapt to our will and our self-imposed limitations OR ELSE" attitude.
The only way I'd ever support Mastodon is with bug reports on their GitHub repository when Mastodon causes trouble in connection with Hubzilla or (streams) again. But I will never support a Mastodon instance. I will never support someone in using Mastodon.
This has nothing to do whether such an instance has a Black admin. It has everything to do with it being Mastodon and with Mastodon being what it is.
Still, I was called a racist for refusing to support Black-led Mastodon instances.
I mean, I would like to help the Black community in the Fediverse. But I'd like to do it my way. And my way is to show them that the Fediverse is not only Mastodon. That Mastodon is not the be-all, end-all Fediverse project either. That there are places that are much safer than Mastodon by design and by technology. Places which can empower people to protect themselves.
Guess what This is actually racist several times over.
First of all, I can't tell these people about the Fediverse outside Mastodon by sitting and waiting for them to address me directly in a DM. I can only tell them by discovering their threads and then joining these threads and replying.
Replying to someone who hasn't mentioned you first, and who isn't mutually connected to you.
On Hubzilla, this is absolutely, perfectly normal due to the way conversations work here. And Hubzilla has inherited it from Friendica which has introduced it as early as 2010. Five and a half years before Mastodon was launched.
On Mastodon, however, it's a deadly sin. It's reply-guying and mansplaining, completely regardless of what you actually have to say. It's so unimaginably reckless that if your "victim" is Black, you're clearly a racist.
But wait, there's more: By mentioning a non-Mastodon place in the Fediverse that these people have never heard of, I practically try to nudge them into this place.
Why that's bad
Because I practically try to nudge them into their own secluded space. Practically a ghetto. I allegedly want to segregate them from the rest of the Fediverse that way, rather than letting them mingle with all other kinds of people on general-purpose Mastodon instances.
And that's every last bit as racist as separate seating in buses.
Lastly, my approach is wrong anyway. What Black people seem to need is not empowerment to defend themselves. It is for any and all racism and harassment to fully cease to exist now, no matter where they are, so that there's nothing they'd have to defend themselves against anymore. That's the only goal allowed to fight for.
Basically, I guess this post of mine has branded the entire non-Mastodon Fediverse one big homogenous racist hellhole even more than a bunch of openly, full-blown Nazi instances on Pleroma could ever have. The Black community will avoid it even more than they did until now.
And yes, I've also actually read that members of marginalised minorities refuse to check out the non-Mastodon parts of the Fediverse because they simply don't trust them.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Hubzilla #Racist #Racism There is no more and no less impersonation protection than within Mastodon and pre-nomadic ActivityPub. At least not from Mastodon's perspective.
After all, neither Zot nor Nomad nor the current development to introduce nomadic identity to ActivityPub is built against Mastodon in any way.
Mastodon was launched in 2016, ActivityPub was first used in 2017 and standardised in 2018. Zot was designed in 2011 and first implemented in 2012.
FEP-ef61 and Mike Macgirvin's project to add nomadic identity to ActivityPub are much more recent. But unlike many other things in the Fediverse, they were not designed with Mastodon in mind, especially not with Mastodon staying as it was at that time. Mike does not want Mastodon's proprietary, non-standard elements influence his development, and he does not want Mastodon's unwillingness to implement anything they haven't invented themselves weigh him down.
The goal of nomadic activity was simply to protect your online ID and your data from vanishing when your home server shuts down.
That said, if the whole Fediverse went fully nomadic one day, it would be senseless to claim that you're a clone of someone else's account or channel or whatever. That would obviously be fake. Clones can't act autonomously from their main instances and their other clones.
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Ich schreibe ja extrem lange Bildbeschreibungen. Ich beschreibe normalerweise jedes Bild zweimal. Einmal vergleichsweise kurz (oft immer noch deutlich ber 1000 Zeichen) und rein visuell im Alt-Text. Und vorher einmal sehr ausfhrlich und detailliert mit Erklrungen und Text-Transkripten im Post.
Ich habe ja kein 500-Zeichen-Limit. Ich habe gar kein Zeichenlimit fr Posts. Also packe ich auch schon mal fr ein einzelnes Bild in den Post, der auch das Bild enthlt.
Mich hat schon ein paarmal jemand gefragt: "Warum ldst du die lange Beschreibung nicht irgendwo gesondert hoch und verlinkst sie dann Dann sind deine Posts nicht so monstrs lang."
Weil, soweit ich das von anderen Quellen her beurteilen kann, die Beschreibung und Erklrung eines Bildes nicht irgendwo extern liegen und verlinkt sein sollte. Die sollte immer da sein, wo das Bild ist. Text-Transkripte sowieso. Und Text-Transkripte mssen bei mir in eine visuelle Beschreibung des Bildes eingebaut sein, damit die Leute auch wissen, wo der Text drauf ist, z. B. ein Schild, ein Poster, ein Teleporter oder dergleichen.
Das, was ich so gelernt habe, bertrage ich jetzt auf Meme-Posts.
Ich werde nur eine visuelle Beschreibung brauchen, weil ich da nicht so ins Detail gehen mssen werde, und die wird in den Alt-Text passen.
Aber ich mu ja das Meme auch erklren, damit die Leute das verstehen. Klar knnte ich die Leute auch mit Links abspeisen oder sie gar googlen lassen. Aber das wre nicht inklusiv. Inklusiv ist nur, wenn man alles direkt im Post erklrt.
Wenn ich jetzt also ein Bildmakro poste, auf dem Boromir "One does not simply implement FEP-ef61" sagt, habe ich sehr viel zu erklren.
Ich mu natrlich erklren, warum er das sagt und was er meint.
Dann mu ich das Template erklren. Das kennt ja nicht jeder.
Dann mu ich erklren, was ein Snowclone ist, weil ich in meiner Erklrung geschrieben habe, da das ein Snowclone ist.
Dann mu ich erklren, was ein Bildmakro ist, weil ich in meiner Erklrung geschrieben habe, da das ein Bildmakro ist.
Dann mu ich erklren, was ein Advice Animal ist, weil ich in meiner Erklrung geschrieben habe, da das Zge eines Advice Animal hat.
Dann mu ich erklren, was Something Awful ist, weil ich es in meinen Erklrungen zu Snowclones und Bildmakros erwhnt habe.
Dann mu ich erklren, was 4chan ist, weil ich es in meinen Erklrungen zu Bildmakros und Advice Animals erwhnt habe. Dazu mu auch eine Erklrung gehren, was Imageboards sind.
So, dann mu ich erklren, was FEP-ef61 ist. Dazu gehrt, da ich erklre, was nomadische Identitt ist, denn FEP-ef61 soll nomadische Identitt nach ActivityPub bringen.
Dann werde ich auch noch erklren mssen, was Hubzilla ist und was das streams-Repository ist, weil ich beide in meiner Erklrung von nomadischer Identitt erwhnt habe. Ich wei, da drei von vier Mastodon-Nutzern noch nie von Hubzilla gehrt haben.
Im Zuge dessen mu ich auch Friendica erklren und den ganzen Fork-Baum von Friendica bis Forte aufdrseln, um a) zu erklren, woher Hubzilla kommt, b) zu erklren, woher Red kommt, das ja als erstes nomadisch war, und c) zu erklren, woher das streams-Repository kommt.
Und das mu alles direkt im Meme-Post passieren. Das darf ich nicht extern verlinken. Klar knnte ich mir die Meme-Erklrerei sparen und einen einzelnen Link auf KnowYourMeme setzen, wie ich es frher getan habe. Das wrde Stand jetzt ber 11.000 Zeichen sparen. Aber das wre nicht inklusiv.
Die Leute ziehen es einfach vor, alle Beschreibungen und Erklrungen direkt vor Ort am Bild zu haben. Also sollen sie die bekommen. Du mut bedenken: Die meisten im Fediverse nutzen Smartphone-Apps. Wenn die einen externen Link antippen, geht auch noch der blde Browser auf, und sie mssen stndig zwischen zwei Apps hin- und herwechseln.
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It really isn't.
When you want to clone a channel, Hubzilla asks you for
So if someone wants to make a clone of your channel without your consent, they need the e-mail address and the password of whichever account you use to log onto the hub where your main instance resides.
But apart from you and maybe the hub admin if they're willing to dive into the underlying database, nobody knows about the account that your channel is connected to.
Hubzilla and (streams) channels give no hints about the underlying accounts. They don't give out e-mail addresses (look through and try to find my e-mail address good luck) or anything else that tells you about the account underneath.
The account is not part of your nomadic identity. The domain of the server that hosts the main instance of your channel is. But the account is not. Identity-wise, the channel is fully independent from any one account.
Even if you have multiple channels on the same account, nobody except a hub admin willing to manually dig through the database can tell that they're on the same account and belonging to the same user unless the user explicitly tells them.
Cloning someone else's channel requires extortion or otherwise theft of login information and credentials. There's no other way to even find out the account underneath a channel.
Never forget that channels aren't accounts. They don't have logins, and they don't have passwords.
Again, this would require channels to have login credentials. And it would require a clone to be a dumb copy of some sort for at least a while. It would require a clone to be its own entity.
But a clone is not its own entity. Within the network, a clone is the original, only elsewhere, with the exact same ID as the original. The clone only has its own URL, but its ID is the same as that of the original. The Zot6 and Nomad protocols see a main instance plus no matter how many clones as one entity. And ActivityPub with nomadic identity will do the same.
Within a purely nomadic ecosystem, this doesn't work either. Reasons see above.
Hubzilla and (streams) channels, both nomadic by means of Zot6 and Nomad respectively, cannot connect to the main instance of my channel on hub.netzgemeinde.eu and my clone on hub.hubzilla.de separately. For them, there's only one actor,
And again, none of this is new. This hasn't only been invented recently. Nomadic identity as provided by the Zot protocol has gone live on Red in 2012, almost four years before Mastodon was launched, five years before Hubzilla became the first Fediverse project to adopt ActivityPub, six years before ActivityPub was standardised.
What's new is only the implementation in ActivityPub of something that has been done for a dozen years already, three quarters of the lifetime of the Fediverse.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #NomadicIdentity To probably not exactly few on Mastodon, if someone replies to them who isn't mutually connected to them, and whom they haven't mentioned earlier in the same thread, it's reply-guying, mansplaining and out-right, full-blown harassment.
No matter if this behaviour has been totally normal in the Fediverse outside of Mastodon since at least 2010. For comparison, Mastodon is from 2016.
No matter how many people would still think the Fediverse = Mastodon if nobody from outside Mastodon had ever done this to tell them otherwise.
I'm seriously, the only reason why there isn't a huge outcry and a massive campaign to try and have everything that isn't Mastodon Fediblocked from Mastodon is because every other Mastodon user doesn't even know that there's anything else than Mastodon in the Fediverse, and most of the rest don't know what "disturbing", non-Mastodon-like things the non-Mastodon Fediverse is capable of doing.
And to everyone who thinks they can pressure the non-Mastodon Fediverse into abandoning its own cultures and adopting Mastodon's post-Twitter takeover culture, along with also abandoning all the features they have which Mastodon doesn't, I have a bridge to sell.
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I've just explained how I do it because it may be useful for and his question whether image descriptions in the post are valid.
Let's just say I've gotten away with what I'm doing, but probably mostly because I do two descriptions, one that's as informative as possible, one for convenience to have an image description without opening the content warning and to satisfy the alt-text police.
It could be possible to get away with only an image description in the post, but probably only if it isn't hidden behind a content warning. I don't dare to try it myself, though.
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And I agree that community is preferable to AI. AI won't be able to interpret cultural nuance or in-jokes, either. Thanks again.
AI will always be limited in comparison with humans. In order for it to be perfect, every AI out there must be absolutely perfectly omniscient in even the most obscure niche topics possible.
To take my own images as an example: AI may be capable of identifying a virtual 3-D scene as such and tell it from a real-life photograph. But AI cannot tell whether it's a virtual world or a video game. And no AI out there can tell right off the bat with 100% certainty from any image thrown at it that the image was made in a world based on OpenSimulator. To be fair, very very very few humans can.
In order to replace me and my manual writing, every last AI out there would have to be able to tell from an image in which place it was rendered, on which sim (that has been launched only some three days ago or so), in which grid.
Oh, and no AI out there will ever be able to transcribe text that's a fraction of a pixel high. I can. For I don't read the text from the image, but from the original.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #AI #AIVsHuman #HumanVsAI What I do with my original images may seem a bit extreme, but still:
I give a full, detailed image description in the post itself. I don't have any character limit to worry about. Before I run out of characters, my posts grow so long that Mastodon rejects them, and AFAIK, Mastodon rejects anything over 100,000 characters.
That long description in the post contains all necessary explanations and transcripts of all text within the borders of the image. I need that description in the post because it's magnitudes too long to work in alt-text anywhere in the Fediverse.
But only an image description in a post might not satisfy the alt-text police who absolutely demand there be a useful alt-text with a good image description for each image. After all, they can't see the long description right away because the whole post is hidden behind a summary and content warning.
So I write an additional, much shorter image description just for the alt-text.
Also in the alt-text, after the short image description, there is a note that a full and more detailed image description with explanation and text transcripts in the post. If you're on Mastodon, Misskey or any of their forks, it is hidden behind a summary and content warning. If you're on Pleroma, Akkoma, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) or anything else that supports in-line images, it follows right after the image.
That is, "short" is relative. As of recently, my alt-texts either reach the 1,500-character mark precisely, or they stop short of one or two characters.
I can only do without the long image description in the post when I post memes based on existing templates. The image description doesn't have to be so long and detailed, and it fits into the alt-text.
I'm still not sure whether I'll still put all explanations to understand the meme and its own explanation into the post, or whether I'll switch to simply linking to Web sites that explain these things such as or the .
Both would be inconvenient in their own ways, either the inconvenience of external links or the inconvenience of tens of thousands of characters of explanations in one place. But links would be much less work for me, and my meme post output would be higher. On the other hand, there are still things without sufficient explanations anywhere on the Web.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta The issue I have with the comparison with explaining an image to someone over the phone is that I always have to expect the person on the other end to know exactly nothing about the image and its context and whatnot.
I have this issue with all images I post. Pictures from 3-D virtual worlds, memes about these virtual worlds, memes about the Fediverse.
And then I have to explain and explain and explain. And if at least one image from a virtual world is involved, I also have to describe and describe because the person on the other end has no idea at all what this virtual world and anything in it looks like, but they're curious.
Granted, on the phone, I have to explain and describe so much because the person on the other end keeps asking me questions. What is this, what is that, what does this mean, what does that mean, what does this look like, what does that look like
But in the Fediverse, people shouldn't even be required to ask these questions in the first place. Asking questions and waiting for an answer is much more of a hassle in the Fediverse than on the phone.
People shouldn't be required to ask me anything. If they have to ask me for visual detail descriptions or for explanations of certain things, it's almost like they have to ask me for the whole image description in the first place. An incomplete image description feels like no image description at all, just as useless. And not explaining enough feels no better.
To quote you:
Just do... Something, so that the person coming across it has enough context without having to ask for more.
That's my very goal.
But first of all, whenever I post an image, I have to deliver a humongous info dump so that even the last casual outsider who happens upon my image post understands it right away, no matter how niche and obscure the topic is.
I always take into consideration what Average Joe knows. Then I look at what is needed to know to understand my image posts. And then I have to fill the gap. I have to fill the entire gap myself, all the way to some very basics. And that gap is huge.
Sometimes, there are Web sites that can provide the needed explanations. But my understanding has always been that external links are too inconvenient, and everything has to be explained in the post itself, right where the image is.
If I explain a meme, I mention which template it is based on. But I can't just drop the name of the template. I have to explain the template. But the template is an image macro and a snowclone, and so I have to explain what an image macro is and what a snowclone is. Image macros were invented in the Something Awful forums and really exploded on 4chan, and so I have to explain what Something Awful is, what 4chan is, what imageboards are.
None of this is common knowledge that I can expect Average Joe to have, or can I I'm pretty sure I can't.
On top of that, I always have to explain what the meme text references. And that's always super-obscure. It's either the Fediverse beyond Mastodon, sometimes even the technology of the Fediverse outside Mastodon or the culture in a non-Mastodon Fediverse area. Or it's 3-D virtual worlds of which maybe one in over 200,000 Fediverse users has even only heard of.
Those 25,000 characters were 1,250 characters of explanation of the image itself. Plus 10,000 characters in six explanations for the meme template because I can't expect everyone to be familiar with the "One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mordor" template and its background. Plus another 12,500 characters in two explanations for the meme text because I can't expect everyone to be familiar with FEP-ef61 and nomadic identity and their background. Half of the whole explanation block is about the context of the meme text.
I mean, I can give one link to the KnowYourMeme page for the template I've used and be done with explaining the template. But linking to external content is inconvenient. People vastly prefer everything being explained in the post.
I've seen it all over this thread. Given the choice between externally-linked explanations and explanations in the post, right where the image is, people vastly prefer explanations in the post because they're infinitely more convenient. It's only when they learn that these explanations would amount to tens of thousands of characters altogether that they see the advantages of external links.
If I just provide a bunch of links, people tend to think I'm weaseling out of a few hundred characters of explanation.
And external explanations are only reliably readily available for meme templates and their backgrounds. It gets trickier for the Fediverse. There is the Join the Fediverse Wiki, but it's still utterly incomplete, and there aren't pages for everything. I can't simply link to an easy-to-understand wiki page for (streams) or for Forkeys or even for certain Forkeys. And even if there's an article on a Fediverse project, the article only covers more or less the technical basics, but it does not explain the culture of this project.
If you want the Misskey culture explained, or if you want the culture on the Forkeys explained, or if you want the Hubzilla culture explained, or if you want Forkeys explained, or if you want (streams) explained, then I'll have to do that. And if you don't want to have to ask, I'll have to do it in the post right away.
It gets even worse when I make memes about virtual worlds. Especially for the particular virtual worlds I post about, there is no general know-it-all wiki on that topic that I could peruse for explanations. There isn't any kind of info site for newbies or interested outsiders whatsoever, especially not with the in-depth technological and/or historical and/or cultural information frequently needed to understand my memes.
Images from these virtual worlds are the most extreme. In addition to extensive explanations, they require extensive visual descriptions that go far beyond the 1,500-character limit that Mastodon, Misskey and their forks not only impose on their own alt-texts, but also on external alt-texts.
I have to intertwine the explanations with visual descriptions. I have to intertwine the visual descriptions with explanations.
And I have to describe a lot. Both sighted and non-sighted people are extremely unlikely to know about these virtual worlds. But both sighted and non-sighted people may be curious about them. After all, hey, there are virtual worlds that actually exist! They're operational! They're alive! The metaverse is a thing that really exists right now!
It's literally like discovering a whole new world. Sighted people who are curious will ignore the context of a post and go wandering about the image and explore it with their eyes.
Blind or visually-impaired people can't do that, but they may want to. They may want to take in all the details of the image, just like sighted people can and do. But they can only do that if I describe the image in all its details. A typically short description that focuses on one or a few elements is as useless to them as no image description at all.
is of no help for me. That's because all I do is extreme edge-cases that have never been dealt with before. Extreme edge-cases that nobody has any even only remote experience with.
I'm the first to ever meme the Fediverse outside of Mastodon.
I'm the first to ever meme these virtual worlds.
And I'm the first to ever even consider describing virtual world images sufficiently.
None of these three has ever been done before I've tried it. And to this day, in all three cases, I'm still the only one who does it.
In fact, I think I was the very first Fediverse user ever to try and describe images while not being entirely constrained by Mastodon's limits. I was the first to explain images in the post itself where I don't have a 500-character limit rather than in the alt-text, and I think I'm still the only one.
This also means that is of no help for me because most of what I do to explain and describe an image does not even happen in the alt-text in the first place.
My meme explanations go into the post and not into the alt-text.
My virtual world images get short, very limited, purely visual descriptions in the alt-text and long, full, detailed, informative, explanatory descriptions plus a full set of text transcripts in the post. That's two descriptions for each image. My record is a bit over 1,400 characters of short description in the alt-text and over 60,000 characters of full description in the post, all for the same image. It took me two full days to write them.
All of this is with no precedence. Nobody else does it. There is zero experience with anything even close to it. And there are no definite guidelines for edge-cases like what I do.
I have to define everything myself. I have to cobble my definitions together from other definitions and guidelines and recommendations and other people's image descriptions. And I have to do it all with almost zero feedback.
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I kind of like the idea of a website dedicated to explaining memes though. Then you could just add a link to that in your post.
Such a site exists: .
In , I could have replaced six of the nine explanations and some 10,000 of the 25,000 characters with . It comes with links to everything else you need to know, such as what snowclones are.
But from what I had gathered until then, I figured that the majority of Fediverse users prefers everything being explained right where the image is, and requiring people to open external Web sites to get information necessary for understanding the image is so inconvenient that it may just as well be ableist. And not serving everyone all information needed to understand an image on a silver platter felt potentially ableist to me, too.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility #Ableist #Ableism First of all, the explanation is not only for blind users. It does not go into the alternative text for the image. For one, while I can theoretically post 25,000 characters of alt-text, they couldn't be read anywhere, and Mastodon, Misskey and their forks would cut 23,500 of these characters off. Besides, explanations do not belong into the alt-text in general. Physically disabled people who, for example, can't use their hands can't access alt-text, and so any information that's only available in the alt-text is lost to them.
Instead, I always put my explanations into the post itself. I've got room enough. I don't have a character limit to worry about.
And my explanations are for everyone, not only for blind or visually-impaired users. I've read often enough that even image descriptions can be useful for fully sighted people who can see the image, but who don't have the foggiest idea what they're even looking at.
From this, I've learned that it's a good idea to make image descriptions not the absolute bare necessities, but actually informative and explanatory. Thus, my full, long image descriptions for my non-meme images are even longer than my meme explanations because what the images show is too obscure for anyone to easily identify.
In particular, my non-meme image descriptions as well as my meme explanations shall also help autistic or otherwise neurodivergent people who often need extensive explanations for images they don't understand, and who have the patience and the attention span to wade through an info dump which takes a screen reader half an hour or a full hour or even longer to read out.
The reason why I've explicitly asked blind users for advice is because I didn't want to throw them and especially not the majority of them in front of a bus by explaining my meme posts the wrong way.
It was a drastic step, I know. But the Fediverse is Mastodon-centric, accessibility only matters on Mastodon, and at the same time, Mastodon is absolutely terrible for discussions among more than two users. Also, in spite of over 500 followers, my reach is so limited that shouting requests for advice into the void doesn't get me anywhere.
I mean, I'd love to have something like a forum where people can discuss accessibility in the Fediverse, including Mastodon users. But such a thing doesn't exist, and it probably never will.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility The problem with accessibility standards for social media would be that one-size-fits-all is impossible. Different places have different possibilities. Even within the Fediverse, one standard for everything wouldn't work out.
It wouldn't make much sense to define one standard based on what can be done on Mastodon with its default limits of 500 characters for posts, 1,500 characters for alt-text and no text formatting whatsoever if (streams), where I post my memes, can offer you over 24 million characters and HTML. Even on (streams), it makes a difference whether one has ActivityPub on or not because it makes a difference whether one has to take into account how places like Akkoma, Misskey or especially Mastodon render things.
So if the WAI defines social media accessibility standards for the Fediverse based only on vanilla Mastodon's capabilities, they'd build them around Mastodon's minuscule character limit. These standards would either require additional information to be linked, or they would allow explanations in the alt-text, thus throwing physically disabled people who can't access alt-text in front of the bus.
At the same time, these special measures that take Mastodon's character limit into account would be completely senseless in those parts of the Fediverse where you have thousands of characters or practically no limit at all.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #WAI #WebAccessibilityInitiative #WCAG #A11y #Accessibility I'm on Hubzilla. It normally doesn't have Mastodon's CW culture, also because it has its own older and, in the opinion of most users, better solution. Still, since most of my readers are on Mastodon, I normally add a Mastodon-style CW along with a Hubzilla-style summary. The only exceptions are replies for which Hubzilla does not provide a summary field to put a Mastodon-style CW into.
In the case of the start post, the summary and CW would have read, quote:
"Request for advice: Do you prefer links to external explanations or 25,000 characters of explanations in the post itself CW: long (over 3,800 characters), Fediverse meta, Fediverse beyond Mastodon meta, image description meta"
End of quote.
This one time, I intentionally made an exception and omitted the summary and CW. I guessed that my summaries and CWs actually kept many Mastodon users from accessing my posts. I guessed that this could have been a contributing factor to my complete lack of success in gathering advice and feedback for image descriptions lately.
As for my explanations, I always write them myself. I have to match them to each other and, if the image isn't a meme, the long visual description. And sometimes there are no explanations that I could link to because what has to be explained is too obscure.
So if you prefer explanations in the post, do you still prefer them if they're excessively long Like one image that goes with nine explanations of altogether 25,000 characters I've actually recently written just that, and I think it was more than reasonable.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility I've actually taken into consideration explaining who Boromir is and what Mordor is. But that explanation would have amounted to a full explanation of The Lord of the Rings, also because the explanation of the template mentions Elrond, Gimli, the One Ring etc. I would have had to explain all of them and all of that.
For one, I'm not too familiar with the storyline myself, so I would have had to look it up first. Besides, this explanation would have been the longest of all by far.
Lastly, the explanations are not part of the alt-text that is an alternative for the image. It is not only for blind or visually-impaired users. It is for everyone, including neurodiverse users who often need extensive explanations. Thus, it goes into the actual post. The alt-text only contains a visual description, a transcript of the meme text and a note that there are explanations in the post.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility The meme is short. It's just a picture of Boromir saying, "One does not simply implement FEP-ef61."
But if everyone and anyone anywhere in the Fediverse is supposed to understand it with no links leading to external explanations, if it's up to me to explain everything down to the basics in the post, it requires a lot of explanation.
Nine explanations altogether.
The meme explanation itself.
Then two explanations for the meme explanation, one for the "One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mordor" meme template, one for FEP-ef61 and nomadic identity.
The former needs three additional explanations of their own, and these three need another two explanations. The latter needs another explanation.
I can't expect things like snowclones, advice animals or Something Awful to be common enough knowledge. And I know that three out of four Fediverse users have never even heard of Hubzilla, knowledge about which is necessary to understand my explanation of FEP-ef61 and nomadic identity.
So they need explanations. And as links to external Web sites are too inconvenient, I have to explain it all myself.
In fact, I stopped short of also explaining The Lord of the Rings and ActivityPub.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility You prefer explanations in the post, no matter how long they are, no matter how much must be explained
Do you prefer 25,000 characters of explanation in one piece, in one single post, over a handful of Web links
Yes, 25,000 characters. In nine explanations altogether. For one image. I've recently done that with an image macro that reads, "One does not simply implement FEP-ef61."
Sure, I can explain that image. But in order for most people to understand that without external links, I also have to explain the "One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mordor" meme template. And I have to explain FEF-ef61 and the concept of nomadic identity.
That's three explanations in one post.
In order for people to understand my explanation of the "One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mordor" meme, I have to explain snowclones, image macros and advice animals. I can't expect them to be known, right
So that's six explanations in one post.
In order for people to understand these three, I also have to explain Something Awful and 4chan including imageboards in general. I've mentioned them, but I can't expect people to know both right off the bat, so I have to explain them.
That's eight explanations in one post.
Oh, and I also have to explain Hubzilla and the streams repository so that people understand my explanation of FEP-fe61 and nomadic identity. This explanation won't work without rambling down the full, 14-year-long history of Hubzilla and (streams), starting with Mistpark in 2010, ending with Forte in 2024, and including three different Fediverse protocols.
And that's nine explanations and 25,000 characters for one image. All just so that everyone anywhere in the Fediverse understands this post without having to look up anything outside the post.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility Well, I'm not a Web designer or developer. I was talking about meme posts in the Fediverse and explaining the memes.
And I wasn't talking about squeezing those monstrous descriptions into the alt-text. Explanations should never go into the alt-text in general.
I was talking about putting them into the post itself. I can do that. Where Mastodon's default character limit is 500, and yours is 11,000, mine is over 24 million.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility In general, how do you prefer meme templates used in a meme to be explained
Do you prefer a link to someplace that specialises in these things and is competent enough, e.g. KnowYourMeme
Or do you say that external links are too much of a hassle, and absolutely everything must be explained in the post itself
If the latter, keep in mind that this can easily be a whole lot of explanation. My most recent meme post required a whole of nine explanations with altogether 25,000 characters, all of which went into that one post. Six of these explanations could have been covered by KnowYourMeme. I'm not quite convinced that tens of thousands of characters of explanations for one image are actually more accessible and inclusive than a handful of external links.
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I'm terribly sorry for writing to you out of the blue, but absolutely all more acceptable ways of trying to get some feedback or advice from Mastodon users have failed me this week. And I take it that you are in the right position to give me competent feedback or advice in accessibility.
So here's my question right away: What do blind users prefer when it comes to explaining images Externally linked explanations Or everything explained in the post, even if this amounts to tens of thousands of characters of only explanation
Now allow me to elaborate. This is going to be long.
I am someone who always tries to get image descriptions and explanations as right as possible. You may or may know that already.
So here's the thing: I've started posting memes again just recently. And I'm trying hard to max out the accessibility of my meme posts. Since I'm not on Mastodon, I don't have Mastodon's limitations in my way. In particular, I don't have character limits to worry about. This means that I can describe and especially explain a whole lot of things in the post itself rather than having to squeeze it into the alt-text.
Until now, it has always looked to me like it's better to give all necessary explanations in the post than to link to external explanations. One or a few people have told me so. And I've run a poll a while ago, and eight out of the nine sighted voters as well as the one sole non-sighted voter preferred explanations in the post over externally-linked explanations.
Now, if I want to explain a meme post in a way that everyone understands it, I have to explain a lot. I've written a half-experimental meme post based on the "One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mordor" meme.
So I had to explain the post itself. But I also had to explain the "One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mordor" meme. In order for people to understand that explanation, I had to explain snowclones, image macros and advice animals. In order for people to understand these three extra explanations, I also had to explain Something Awful and 4chan including a general explanation of imageboards. Also, in order for people to understand my post, I had to explain FEP-ef61, nomadic identity, Hubzilla, the streams repository and the whole 14-year history of the latter two from Mistpark from 2010 to this year's Forte and their various underlying protocols.
That one meme post required nine explanations with some 25,000 characters. And in fact, I could have explained The Lord of the Rings and the ActivityPub protocol on top of that, but I took both for common enough knowledge that my post is understandable enough without explaining them.
Again, 25,000 characters of explanations for one image, just so the image can be understood without any external information. Apparently, it's exactly this which the Fediverse prefers.
But I can't believe that this is actually what the Fediverse prefers. First of all, I've been told again and again that tens of thousands of characters are not accessible because they're much too long, regardless of where I put them. It's hard to believe that they're supposed to still be more accessible than external links. Besides, my information almost entirely comes from sighted people.
So here's my question again: Do blind people really prefer 25,000 characters of explanation for one meme post over externally-linked explanations
(Deliberately without a content warning this time to make this post more easily accessible.)
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility Selbst dann hast du gewisse Stufen der Messengerkenntnis.
Stufe 1, auf der stehen die meisten: Es gibt nur WhatsApp.
Stufe 2: Es gibt WhatsApp und Telegram. Sonst noch Schulterzucken.
Bis hierhin hast du ca. 98% der Deutschen zusammen.
Stufe 3: Es gibt WhatsApp und Telegram, die sind unsicher und bse. Aber es gibt ja auch noch Signal und/oder Threema, die sind voll super-sicher. Und das war's dann auch.
So manch einer auf dem Level hlt sich fr den ultimativen bergeek und 1337en H4xx0r.
Stufe 4: Zentralisierte, von Unternehmen betriebene Dienste sind alle bse. Aber man wei, da es XMPP und/oder Matrix gibt. Und nur die bzw. einer von denen ist sicher.
Auf diesem Level sind allenfalls Leute, die Linux jenseits von Ubuntu LTS, Mint, MX und anderen notorischen Newbie-Distris als Daily Driver nutzen und kommerziellen Betriebssystemen weitestgehend oder komplett abgeschworen, die mindestens einen OpenPGP-Key haben und/oder mit jemandem aus dem Chaos Computer Club auf Du stehen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #WhatsApp #Telegram #Signal #Threema #XMPP #Matrix That's because just about everyone who has joined the Fediverse since Elon Musk has announced to take over Twitter, which means the vast majority of Fediverse users, "learned" upon joining that the Fediverse = Mastodon. They spent at least the first few weeks or months thinking that.
After learning and accepting that there's more to the Fediverse than Mastodon, they switched to believing that Mastodon was here first. After all, it can't be any other way, especially since Mastodon is so much bigger than everything else. Gargron has invented the Fediverse and ActivityPub. And everything else is nothing but either an add-on to Mastodon or, even better, basically an alternative UI for Mastodon. Just like a Mastodon app for your phone, but for your browser.
Now, the Fediverse not being Mastodon can be something they notice themselves sooner or later, usually when they first come across a post with more than 500 characters and bold type and italics and a bullet-point list and what-have-you. Or, better yet, when someone replies to them with such stuff that can impossibly have come from Mastodon.
But nobody will notice by themselves that the Fediverse is older than Mastodon, that Gargron did not invent everything, that Mastodon is not the reference implementation and the gold standard of ActivityPub.
You can't tell right off the bat that the guy who has just replied to you is on something that's ten months or five and a half years older than Mastodon, and a Mastodon mobile app will neither show you how old an account or a channel as nor how far back its post backlog goes.
You have to go around and tell everyone individually, one by one. And even then it will be unbelievable and inconceivable.
And so, for everyone Mastodon user who understands and accepts that, you still have countless Mastodon users who want to force Mastodon's standards, Mastodon's culture, Mastodon's feature set upon the entire rest of the Fediverse. People who e.g. want to force Friendica users to drop Friendica's culture which dates back to 2010, replace it with Mastodon's culture which, in its current shape, is from late 2022, and stop using any and all features that Friendica has that Mastodon doesn't. Or even, that most Mastodon instances didn't have in late October, 2022, when the second Twitter migration wave kicked off.
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So you liked it.However, this was never meant to be a one-off. It was meant to be the prototype for dozens of meme posts to come, all with explanations on the same level. I don't intend to re-write them everytime, I'll rather copy-paste together what I already have and write what I don't.
But if you say it is not overkill to explain dozens of single meme posts with over 20,000 characters each...
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Meme #MemesSo I have .
I've tried a new format: Explanation of all I thought needs to be explained to a casual audience. Explanations are in the post. According to , people prefer explanations in the same post as the image over external explanations linked into the post.
This led to almost 25,000 characters of explanation, however, because I had to explain
- the image itself
- the "One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mordor" meme (in order for people to understand the image explanation)
- snowclones (in oder for people to understand the "One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mordor" meme explanation)
- image macros (in oder for people to understand the "One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mordor" meme explanation)
- advice animals (in oder for people to understand the "One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mordor" meme explanation)
- Something Awful (in order for people to understand the snowclones and image macros explanations)
- 4chan and imageboards (in order for people to understand the image macros and advice animals explanations)
- FEP-ef61 and nomadic identity (in order for people to understand the image explanation)
- Hubzilla, the streams repository and the Zot and Nomad protocols (in order for people to understand the FEP-ef61 and nomadic identity explanation)
Yes, nine explanations. And almost 25,000 characters. Yes, that's a lot. But yes, that's what people have voted for, so that's apparently what they prefer over linked external content.
In fact, it could be even more, but I've decided that The Lord of the Rings is common enough knowledge for me not to have to explain that and its characters as well. I'm not sure if an explanation of the ActivityPub standard and how FEPs work would have been necessary.
I've only described the image itself in the alt-text this time. The image is not so exotic that I need to describe every last detail. Still, the image description might be lacking because I haven't described what Boromir looks like (age, skin tone, hair colour, hair length, hairstyle, clothes). I thought it wouldn't matter within the context of a meme.
I could really need some feedback before I assemble the next meme post. Maybe some of you can boost/repost/renote/repeat/"retoot" this to increase my reach.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Meme #Memes #A11y #Accessibility #FediHelp #AskFedi #FeedbackRequest Aber die gewaltige Mehrzahl der Leute, die in den letzten zwei Jahren von Twitter nach Mastodon gekommen sind, wei berhaupt nicht, da es ihn gibt, geschweige denn, wer das ist.
Erst "wissen" sie monatelang, das Fediverse ist nur Mastodon. Viele tun das sichtlicherweise bis heute.
Wenn sie das nicht mehr glauben, glauben sie immer noch gerne, Eugen Rochko htte alles erfunden, Mastodon, das Fediverse und ActivityPub, entweder 2016 oder vielleicht gar erst 2022 als Reaktion auf Elon Musks Ankndigung, Twitter aufzukaufen. Die glauben folglich auch, Friendica sei als Add-on oder Alternativ-UI nachtrglich an Mastodon drangebaut worden. Und nicht etwa ganze fnfeinhalb Jahre lter als Mastodon, weil das geht ja gar nicht.
Viele glauben ja auch, das Fediverse sei nur ActivityPub. Von OStatus haben die nie gehrt. Schon gar nicht davon, da es vor ActivityPub das Fediverse-Protokoll war. Nicht mal davon, da Mastodon mit OStatus anfing.
Das wird am offenkundigsten in jedem BridgyFed-Bluesky-Bridge-Drama-Thread da drauen. Die Leute wollen im Fediverse kein Bluesky, kein AT-Protokoll, nur ActivityPub. Tja, h, und was ist mit OStatus Vor allem, was ist mit Zot und Nomad, die immer noch die Basisprotokolle von Hubzilla und (streams) sind
Da gibt's kein "ja klar, natrlich, die sind Teil des Fediverse". Da gibt's aber auch kein vehementes Ablehnen dieser beiden Protokolle mit der Begrndung, deren Nutzer sind ja alle Freaks, die unbedingt alles anders machen mssen als Mastodon/arrogante Arschlcher/rassistische Dreckschweine. Da gibt's gar nichts. Natrlich gibt's da nichts laut einer Umfrage haben 75% der Fediverse-Nutzer schon von Hubzilla noch nie auch nur gehrt.
Nur weil etwas so ist, wie es ist, mu es noch lngst nicht jeder im Fediverse wissen. Und nicht jeder im Fediverse sieht das Fediverse mit den Augen und dem Erfahrungsschatz eines alten Friendica-Hasen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NichtNurMastodon
A) Mastodon Instanzen mit mehr als 500 Zeichen gibt es zur Genge, daher kann das Thema gar kein Mastodon Thema sein
Wenn man sie denn kennt.
Aber vor allem die groen, populren Mehrzweck-Instanzen, auf die gerne Newbies gesplt werden, besonders die englischsprachigen (mastodon.social, mastodon.online, mas.to usw.), die haben alle das 500-Zeichen-Limit. Und da gewhnen sich Mastodon-Newbies an dieses Limit. Und wenn sie das erste Mal einen lngeren Post sehen, kacken sie vor Schreck Ziegelsteine.
C) niemand muss irgendwem folgen, also hat man auch keinen Anlass, jemanden zu gngeln/maregeln.
Dann kennt keiner in deiner Bubble , einen englischsprachigen Fediverse-Aktivisten und ziemlich radikalen Antirassisten, der obendrein ein Problem mit allem im Fediverse zu haben scheint, was nicht Mastodon ist.
In und ganz spezifisch fordert er dazu auf, mehr schwarzen Nutzern zu folgen und ihnen zu mehr Reichweite zu verhelfen, ganz einfach nur weil sie schwarz sind.
Ich habe geschrieben, ich wrde der schwarzen Community gern helfen, aber das werde ich nicht tun. Mein Stream ist kuratiert, und ich versuche, ihn thematisch so zu spezialisieren wie meinen ganzen Kanal, damit die Menge an Nachrichten nicht berhand nimmt und ich nicht stndig durch einen Wust an Off-Topic-Kram waten mu.
Jetzt schon haben 85% meiner Kontakte keine Berechtigung, mir Posts zu schicken, und von den brigen 15% filtere ich bei so einigen die Boosts raus. Teilweise habe ich bei sehr aktiven Leuten sogar individuelle Wortfilter, die uninteressanten Content aussperren.
Ich habe auch erklrt, inwiefern Hubzilla anders ist als Mastodon: Auf Mastodon siehst du nicht, wieviele ungelesene Nachrichten du hast. Du machst deine Timeline auf und scrollst runter, solange du Zeit und Bock hast. Und wo du keine Zeit und/oder keinen Bock hast hinzuscrollen, das liest du dann eben nicht.
Hubzilla hat aber einen Zhler fr ungelesene Nachrichten und eine Liste ungelesener Nachrichten. Da kann man die ungelesenen Nachrichten threadweise aufrufen. Ich sehe also immer, wieviele ungelesene Nachrichten ich habe.
Ich habe gesagt, so oder so habe ich keinen Bock, mir Kontakte ans Bein zu binden, die meinen Stream ums Mehrdutzendfache mit fr mich im Rahmen der Themen meines Kanals vllig uninteressanten Mll aufblhen. Ich sagte, ich knnte die ungelesenen Nachrichten natrlich erstmal rausfiltern, die von potentiell interessanten Kontakten zuerst lesen und die von definitiv uninteressanten Kontakten hinterher ungelesenermaen als gelesen markieren, aber das kann's ja auch nicht sein.
Daraufhin hat er mich als Rassisten bezeichnet.
D) Wenn jemand ein Politikum draus macht und seine Beitrge aus Prinzip aufblht, obwohl seine Nachricht nur 300 Zeichen Information und 6000 Zeichen Redundanz enthlt, kann mglicherweise ein Hinweis kommen, sich kurz zu fassen (allerdings praktisch noch nicht erlebt).
Ich habe zwar keine konkreten Beispiele, aber es gibt Mastodon-Nutzer, die regen sich schon ber 2000 Zeichen am Stck von tatschlichem Inhalt auf. Das bekomme ich aber meistens gar nicht und manchmal nur zufllig mit, weil sie das hnlich wie auf Twitter machen, meine berlangen Posts verlinken, darber abstnkern und mich nicht mal erwhnen, damit ich das nicht merke.
Und ja, das gibt's im englischsprachigen (wo ich mich berwiegend aufhalte) wie im deutschsprachigen Fediverse.
Wahrscheinlich ist es fr mich tatschlich riskanter, Bilder in meinen Posts so angemessen ausfhrlich zu beschreiben und so notwendigermaen ausfhrlich zu erklren, wie ich es tue, als sie berhaupt nicht zu beschreiben und zu erklren. Letzteres fhrt nur dazu, da meine Bilderposts nicht geboostet werden, aber wer boostet die schon Vielleicht kommt alle Jubeljahre jemand und fordert mich auf, einen Alt-Text zu schreiben. Ersteres drfte aber jedes Mal dazu fhren, da mich mehr Leute sperren, weil durch die Bildbeschreibung und -erklrung der Post auf einige zigtausend Zeichen angewachsen ist.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Zeichenlimit #Zeichenlimits #500Zeichen #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #Bildbeschreibung #Bildbeschreibungen #BiBesch #BildbeschreibungenMeta #CWBildbeschreibungenMeta Klar, es gibt solche und solche.
Beispielsweise Elena Rossini, die ist ja Bloggerin. Die war bis letzte Woche oder so ziemlich bombenfest auf Mastodon. Dann hat sie fr ihr Blog Friendica ausprobiert und will gar nicht wieder weg.
Es gibt auch die, die wrden gern umziehen, scheuen aber den Umzug an sich. Das wird sich so schnell auch nicht ndern. Einen Umzug nach woanders wird Mastodon nie untersttzen. Und selbst wenn irgendwann nomadische Identitt in ActivityPub mittels FEP-ef61 serienreif ist und von mehr und mehr Fediverse-Projekten implementiert wird, wird ausgerechnet Mastodon das nicht bernehmen. Eher riskiert es, inkompatibel zum brigen Fediverse zu werden.
Aber es gibt auch die, fr die Mastodon der Goldstandard ist. Die glauben, alles hat mit Mastodon angefangen. Die glauben, Rochko hat das Fediverse und ActivityPub erfunden, und alles, was nicht Mastodon ist, ist nachtrglich an Mastodon drangeschraubt worden. Die glauben auch, da Mastodon deshalb so gro und populr ist, weil es eben von allen am besten ist. Und wenn etwas nicht so funktioniert wie Mastodon, ist es kaputt und gehrt "repariert" (= an Mastodon angeglichen). berhaupt knnen sie nicht verstehen, warum "die" damals Friendica usw. anders gemacht haben als Mastodon.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon Ein paar Beispiele:
Mastodon-Nutzer, die allen Nicht-Mastodon-Nutzern verbieten wollen, mehr als 500 Zeichen auf einmal zu posten. Wenn man mehr als 500 Zeichen zu sagen hat, hat man die geflligst auf mehrere Schnipsel in einem Thread aufzuteilen. Und dann hat man bitteschn alles ab dem zweiten Post (ersten Kommentar) auf "Unlisted" zu schalten. Wie, das kann man angeblich nicht
Oder Mastodon-Nutzer, die von Friendica-, Hubzilla- und (streams)-Nutzern verlangen, alle mglichen CWs ins Zusammenfassungsfeld zu packen. Und zwar genau die CWs, die sie persnlich "brauchen", aber keine anderen. Ach ja, und sich dann am besten noch aufregen, wenn die Friendica-, Hubzilla- und (streams)-Nutzer ein paar mehr Hashtags einbauen, um ihre eigenen CWs automatisch generiert werden. Oh, und Gott bewahre, wenn man das "CW-Feld" fr was anderes nutzt, z. B. eine Zusammenfassung.
Oder auf Friendica, Hubzilla oder (streams) ist es vllig normal, auf irgendeinen Kommentar zu irgendeinem Post zu antworten, weil wir zu den Posts, die wir empfangen, auch alle danach gettigten Kommentare serviert bekommen. Auf Mastodon ist exakt dasselbe Verhalten Reply-Guying, Mansplaining und eine Todsnde. Noch schlimmer, wenn man das tut, um jemanden darber aufzuschlauen, da das Fediverse nicht nur Mastodon ist.
Und ich schtze, Mastodon-Nutzer wrden sich auch darber aufregen, wenn sie wten, da sie uns auf Hubzilla oder (streams) nicht zwingend ihre Trts schicken drfen, auch wenn wir ihnen "zurckfolgen". Oder da wir Filter pro Kontakt haben und die auch mal nutzen.
Wenn Mastodon erst Quote-Trts einfhrt mit Opt-In-Erlaubnisschalter, dann werden sich die Mastodon-Nutzer aufregen, wenn wir sie auch dann quote-posten, wenn sie keine Erlaubnis dazu gegeben haben. Ja, wenn dieser Schalter nur innerhalb von Mastodon funktioniert, woher sollen wir dann wissen, ob wir sie quote-posten drfen Auerdem haben Friendica-User schon gequote-postet, da war Eugen Rochko noch nicht mal volljhrig.
Aber wenn die Quote-Trts nebst Schalter mit der Regel kommen, da jede Instanz, die sich nicht an den Schalter hlt, gefediblockt wird, dann bekommen wir die Teilung des Fediverse sowieso vollautomatisch. Dann werden die ganzen Mastodon-Instanzen nmlich mindestens alle Instanzen von Misskey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, Catodon, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte (wenn das dann irgendwann Instanzen hat) usw. blockieren. Die knnen nmlich quote-posten, untersttzen aber den Schalter auf Mastodon nicht, zumal dessen Funktionalitt wahrscheinlich eh nirgendwo dokumentiert werden wird.
Und sollten dann irgendwelche Mastodon-Nutzer behaupten, irgendwelche Nicht-Mastodon-Projekte htten Quote-Posts nur eingefhrt, um Mastodon-Nutzer zu belstigen, dann kann ich sagen: Das habe ich vorher geahnt.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NichtNurMastodon Well, since you refuse to give simple, clear answers to my questions, and you prefer to beat around the bush, I'll suppose that the answers to all four questions are, "Yes, it is racist."
This is what I take away from what you've written in this thread. This is how I understand it. And you're making no apparent attempt whatsoever at communicating the opposite.
But: Yes, I will continue to curate my stream the way I want. I will continue to use Hubzilla like Hubzilla instead of using it like Mastodon. I will continue to prefer Hubzilla over Mastodon.
And I am not sorry for any of it. Because what I'm doing is absolutely normal and natural where I am. And I am not the only one who does it.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Hubzilla #Racist #RacismI don't want to rattle down the features of Hubzilla and (streams) and their whole history from Mistpark in 2010 to Forte in 2024 just to explain a meme image. It's bad enough already that I have to explain nomadic identity.
But I guess there's no other way if I want everyone to understand the image without requiring them to resort to external sources of information.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mistpark #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #NomadicIdentity #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Memes #A11y #Accessibility Can you please answer my questions already
If I choose to curate my stream by topic and thereby refuse to follow users regardless of what they have to say, even if these users are Black, is that racist Yes or no
If I mention the existence a safer alternative to Mastodon that's still in the Fediverse to Black users, unsolicitedly, is that racist Yes or no If it's racist, in how many and which ways (I could count at least two.)
If I refuse to support Mastodon instances because I hate specifically Mastodon with a burning passion, even if the instance admins are Black, is that racist Yes or no
New question: If I use Hubzilla like Hubzilla, if I refuse to use Hubzilla like Mastodon, and this leads to no additional support for the Black community, is that racist Yes or no
I honestly, sincerely do not know whether you consider any of this racist. No, I don't. So please stop acting like it was all clear to me. Because it isn't.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Racist #Racism I wasn't only posting this with raw technology in mind. I was also thinking about cultural differences that arose from the technological differences.
Friendica and Hubzilla are technologically very different from Mastodon. Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) users are rather used to that. They try to cope with it the best they can, although this alone brings its own bunch of issues with itself.
Mastodon users, on the other hand, are not used to it. Many of them have come to Mastodon from Twitter over the last two years, believing that Mastodon is only one Web site. And pretty much all of them, every last one of them, came to Mastodon, believing that the Fediverse that everyone talks about is Mastodon. And nothing else.
Those who have invited them to Mastodon have not told them that Mastodon is connected to things that aren't Mastodon, much less that Mastodon is connected to things that are very much not Mastodon.
Nearly all Twitter refugees on Mastodon have spent their first several months on Mastodon in this belief. They've settled into and gotten used to a Fediverse that's only Mastodon.
Many, not all of them, but many have since found out that there are things in the Fediverse that are very different from Mastodon. For not exactly few, it was a disturbing, if not outright traumatising experience to see that some Fediverse users can post over 500 characters at once. Or that some Fediverse users can easily "quote-toot" Mastodon toots, using something which is used on to harass members of marginalised minorities.
They didn't want that. They still don't want that. They want to make it go away again, so disturbing is it.
By and by, at least some Mastodon users face other differences between Mastodon on the one side and things like Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) on the other side. For example, what the way these three handle conversations means in practice for users of Mastodon which doesn't have a concept of conversations. Or that Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) users do not react when someone on Mastodon mentions them out of the blue. Everyone on Mastodon would notice it, so it's beyond a Mastodon user's comprehension that Friendica and Hubzilla users don't notice it by default.
So on the one hand, Mastodon users are increasingly stressed out by Friendica being Friendica and Hubzilla being Hubzilla. They ask themselves: "Why did they make everything so different from Mastodon Why couldn't they have made it all just like Mastodon in the first place"
It's incomprehensible to them that Friendica and Hubzilla were both made before Mastodon. For how can something in the Fediverse possible pre-date Eugen Rochko's invention of the Fediverse It's also incomprehensible to them that something in the Fediverse can be something else than a Twitter clone. Or they simply don't know how Facebook, which Friendica aims to be an alternative to, works differently from Twitter as well.
On the other hand, Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) users are increasingly stressed out by Mastodon users trying to force Mastodon's culture upon them, along with Mastodon's limitations. Not few Mastodon users try to make Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) behave more like Mastodon by putting pressure on their users to a) always do everything the Mastodon way and b) stop making use of features that Mastodon doesn't have.
If you've never come across a Mastodon user complaining about a post or comment of yours being too long because you've exceeded the holy limit of 500 characters, then I'm very certain that you will.
Food for thought: This entire conflict would disappear with a split. Mastodon users would be spared from utterly non-Mastodon things. And non-Mastodon uers would be spared from demands to stop making use of 90% of all features they have at hand just because Mastodon doesn't have them.
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unfortunately, no, I don't think you've learned from me. In fact you're repeatedly distorted my words.
If I choose to curate my stream by topic and thereby refuse to follow Black users regardless of what they have to say, is that racist or not
If I mention the existence a safer alternative to Mastodon that's still in the Fediverse to Black users, unsolicitedly, is that racist or not, and if so, in how many and which ways (I could count at least two.)
If I refuse to support Black-led Mastodon instances because I hate specifically Mastodon with a burning passion, is that racist or not
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Your choice of technology is not my problem.
It quickly becomes a problem for Mastodon users who expect Hubzilla to act exactly like Mastodon if Hubzilla doesn't act exactly like Mastodon.
And my choice of technology is also a problem for Mastodon users because, due to being so much different and older than Mastodon, Hubzilla has its own culture which is very different from Mastodon's, and Hubzilla's users don't want to give up their culture and adopt Mastodon's culture instead, especially not if that means abstaining from using features which Hubzilla has and Mastodon doesn't. Quote-posts, for example. Or no character limits.
If you don't want to federate in that manner, then either defederate from masto instances or choose software that works the way you want.
Hubzilla does work the way I want. Otherwise I would long since have moved away.
The problem is that Hubzilla doesn't work the way Mastodon users want.
The very same features can be perfectly normal from Hubzilla's POV and actually the reason why Hubzilla users use Hubzilla and outright disturbing from Mastodon's POV.
That you assume there are no black people with anything interesting to say is very telling.
I am actually following at least one Black woman who is active in OpenSim, . Not sure about right now I can't always tell the real-life skin colour of the user behind a 3-D avatar right off the bat.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #OpenSim #OpenSimulator No mechanism. Only the very nature of cloning and clones and nomadic identity.
A clone is not a separate entity from the main instance or the other clones. A clone does not have its own individual identity. Mastodon thinks a clone is a separate account with its own identity, but it isn't.
A nomadic clone is the main instance, just elsewhere.
Again:
The Fediverse ID of my main instance, , is
jupiterrowlandhub.netzgemeinde.eu.The Fediverse ID of my clone, , is
jupiterrowlandhub.netzgemeinde.eu, too.Open both. Look at them. Compare them. They're identical.
And they're acting as one because they are one.
They are not like two connected Mastodon accounts. They are like one Mastodon account simultaneously residing on two Mastodon instances.
I could log onto hub.hubzilla.de where the clone is and send a post. This post would still come from
jupiterrowlandhub.netzgemeinde.eu. And the post would be sync'd over to hub.netzgemeinde.eu to make sure that the main instance is identical with the clone again.#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #NomadicIdentityI could post the entire context of this for better understanding.
But for one, this would require sharing (= Friendica/Hubzilla/(streams) lingo of quote-posting) a whole number of very long (= way over 500 characters) comments on a not exactly short post. And besides, I guess quote-posting an anti-racist activist falls under harassment and therefore racism itself. Because quote-posts are always harassment.
In fact, I'm now waiting for hub.netzgemeinde.eu to be added to Fediverse blocklists. I can already see Mastodon users try to have the hub.netzgemeinde.eu moderation sanction me, only to fail because
- Mastodon-style reports to remote instances are probably not implemented on Hubzilla
- no Mastodon interface tells you who the admin of hub.netzgemeinde.eu is
- the hub website itself doesn't tell you either
- even if they figured out who the admin is, he won't notice being mentioned by a non-contact out of the blue because this behaviour is off by default on Hubzilla
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebate #QuoteTootDebate #Racist #Racism #FediblockMeta That post is by me. And it's completely sincere. All I've written there, I've learned from a very avid anti-racist, . The thread in which I've learned it starts .
Also, claiming that I, quote, "don't see the racism on the Fediverse", end quote, is a strawman all in itself. I have never said anything like it.
I'm someone who takes a closer look at Fediverse culture and tries to fulfill people's needs as much as possible. You want CWs, I CW everything that might go on your nerves. Even though Mastodon-style CWs aren't part of the culture of Hubzilla where I reside. And I double my CWs with hashtags.
You want quality image descriptions, I write the longest, most detailed, most informative image descriptions in the whole Fediverse. You insist in there always being an image description in the alt-text, I write a second image description in addition to the super-long one in the post and squeeze it into the alt-text.
So when wrote the start post I've linked above, I took a closer look at it to see what of it I can do to which extents. But it turned out I couldn't really do anything on it.
Point one: "Listen more to more Black people and amplify their voices"
Now you're wondering what my problem with this is. Why can't I just simply follow a couple more Black users and especially Black activists
For two reasons.
One, my channel specialises in two topics. The primary topic is OpenSim particularly and 3-D virtual worlds in general. The secondary topic is the Fediverse beyond Mastodon. This is not a personal, all-purpose outlet.
Two, I'm not on Mastodon. I'm on Hubzilla. It has a bunch of significant differences from Mastodon.
For example, on Mastodon, you go to your timeline, and you scroll down as far as you want to. Everything else you can safely ignore as if you've never received it. On Hubzilla, however, I have a counter of unread messages which unfolds to a list with links to all unread messages.
If I let all kinds of people pump posts that I'm not interested in within the scope of this channel onto my stream, it'll a) end up filled with hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of unread messages every morning, and b) most of it is completely uninteresting cruft.
I already have a problem with random Mastodon users who want to follow me. What they don't know is that Hubzilla mainly only knows mutual connections like Facebook friends. If I allow them to follow me, I must inevitably follow them back. So in order to keep them from spamming my stream, I don't allow them to send me their posts. I have a setting for that. Some 85% of my contacts are not allowed to send me posts.
For many of the remaining 15%, I have per-contact filters. These usually start with filter lines that remove boosts because some people boost like there's no tomorrow, and it's always uninteresting rubbish to me. Some even have filter lines beyond that to weed out more uninteresting cruft.
If I could, if Hubzilla's filters weren't too broken for that right now, I'd only let posts through which contain keywords that indicate that these posts contain something interesting for me.
Well, and now I shall follow people who have nothing interesting to say within the scope of this channel just because of the colour of their skin. And, of course, this means I must grant them permissions to send me everything. I guess I'm not even allowed to filter their boosts out.
My refusal to allow magnitudes more messages to flood onto my stream, none of which are even remotely interesting to me within the scope of this channel, was called racist.
Or point four: "Support Black people and Black-led instances and projects"
"Black-led instances". Sorry, but every last single one of them is on Mastodon.
Again, I'm not on Mastodon. I'm on something that's both older than Mastodon and vastly more powerful than Mastodon. I don't even like Mastodon. I hate Mastodon and its "we rule supreme over the whole Fediverse, adapt to our will and our self-imposed limitations OR ELSE" attitude.
The only way I'd ever support Mastodon is with bug reports on their GitHub repository when Mastodon causes trouble in connection with Hubzilla or (streams) again. But I will never support a Mastodon instance. I will never support someone in using Mastodon.
This has nothing to do whether such an instance has a Black admin. It has everything to do with it being Mastodon and with Mastodon being what it is.
Still, I was called a racist for refusing to support Black-led Mastodon instances.
I mean, I would like to help the Black community in the Fediverse. But I'd like to do it my way. And my way is to show them that the Fediverse is not only Mastodon. That Mastodon is not the be-all, end-all Fediverse project either. That there are places that are much safer than Mastodon by design and by technology. Places which can empower people to protect themselves.
Guess what This is actually racist several times over.
First of all, I can't tell these people about the Fediverse outside Mastodon by sitting and waiting for them to address me directly in a DM. I can only tell them by discovering their threads and then joining these threads and replying.
Replying to someone who hasn't mentioned you first, and who isn't mutually connected to you.
On Hubzilla, this is absolutely, perfectly normal due to the way conversations work here. And Hubzilla has inherited it from Friendica which has introduced it as early as 2010. Five and a half years before Mastodon was launched.
On Mastodon, however, it's a deadly sin. It's reply-guying and mansplaining, completely regardless of what you actually have to say. It's so unimaginably reckless that if your "victim" is Black, you're clearly a racist.
But wait, there's more: By mentioning a non-Mastodon place in the Fediverse that these people have never heard of, I practically try to nudge them into this place.
Why that's bad
Because I practically try to nudge them into their own secluded space. Practically a ghetto. I allegedly want to segregate them from the rest of the Fediverse that way, rather than letting them mingle with all other kinds of people on general-purpose Mastodon instances.
And that's every last bit as racist as separate seating in buses.
Lastly, my approach is wrong anyway. What Black people seem to need is not empowerment to defend themselves. It is for any and all racism and harassment to fully cease to exist now, no matter where they are, so that there's nothing they'd have to defend themselves against anymore. That's the only goal allowed to fight for.
Basically, I guess this post of mine has branded the entire non-Mastodon Fediverse one big homogenous racist hellhole even more than a bunch of openly, full-blown Nazi instances on Pleroma could ever have. The Black community will avoid it even more than they did until now.
And yes, I've also actually read that members of marginalised minorities refuse to check out the non-Mastodon parts of the Fediverse because they simply don't trust them.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Hubzilla #Racist #Racism There is no more and no less impersonation protection than within Mastodon and pre-nomadic ActivityPub. At least not from Mastodon's perspective.
After all, neither Zot nor Nomad nor the current development to introduce nomadic identity to ActivityPub is built against Mastodon in any way.
Mastodon was launched in 2016, ActivityPub was first used in 2017 and standardised in 2018. Zot was designed in 2011 and first implemented in 2012.
FEP-ef61 and Mike Macgirvin's project to add nomadic identity to ActivityPub are much more recent. But unlike many other things in the Fediverse, they were not designed with Mastodon in mind, especially not with Mastodon staying as it was at that time. Mike does not want Mastodon's proprietary, non-standard elements influence his development, and he does not want Mastodon's unwillingness to implement anything they haven't invented themselves weigh him down.
The goal of nomadic activity was simply to protect your online ID and your data from vanishing when your home server shuts down.
That said, if the whole Fediverse went fully nomadic one day, it would be senseless to claim that you're a clone of someone else's account or channel or whatever. That would obviously be fake. Clones can't act autonomously from their main instances and their other clones.
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Ich habe gelernt, da man, um wirklich inklusiv zu sein, alle Beschreibungen und Erklrungen fr einen Post bzw. ein Bild direkt vor Ort mit dem Post und dem Bild liefern mu.Ich schreibe ja extrem lange Bildbeschreibungen. Ich beschreibe normalerweise jedes Bild zweimal. Einmal vergleichsweise kurz (oft immer noch deutlich ber 1000 Zeichen) und rein visuell im Alt-Text. Und vorher einmal sehr ausfhrlich und detailliert mit Erklrungen und Text-Transkripten im Post.
Ich habe ja kein 500-Zeichen-Limit. Ich habe gar kein Zeichenlimit fr Posts. Also packe ich auch schon mal fr ein einzelnes Bild in den Post, der auch das Bild enthlt.
Mich hat schon ein paarmal jemand gefragt: "Warum ldst du die lange Beschreibung nicht irgendwo gesondert hoch und verlinkst sie dann Dann sind deine Posts nicht so monstrs lang."
Weil, soweit ich das von anderen Quellen her beurteilen kann, die Beschreibung und Erklrung eines Bildes nicht irgendwo extern liegen und verlinkt sein sollte. Die sollte immer da sein, wo das Bild ist. Text-Transkripte sowieso. Und Text-Transkripte mssen bei mir in eine visuelle Beschreibung des Bildes eingebaut sein, damit die Leute auch wissen, wo der Text drauf ist, z. B. ein Schild, ein Poster, ein Teleporter oder dergleichen.
Das, was ich so gelernt habe, bertrage ich jetzt auf Meme-Posts.
Ich werde nur eine visuelle Beschreibung brauchen, weil ich da nicht so ins Detail gehen mssen werde, und die wird in den Alt-Text passen.
Aber ich mu ja das Meme auch erklren, damit die Leute das verstehen. Klar knnte ich die Leute auch mit Links abspeisen oder sie gar googlen lassen. Aber das wre nicht inklusiv. Inklusiv ist nur, wenn man alles direkt im Post erklrt.
Wenn ich jetzt also ein Bildmakro poste, auf dem Boromir "One does not simply implement FEP-ef61" sagt, habe ich sehr viel zu erklren.
Ich mu natrlich erklren, warum er das sagt und was er meint.
Dann mu ich das Template erklren. Das kennt ja nicht jeder.
Dann mu ich erklren, was ein Snowclone ist, weil ich in meiner Erklrung geschrieben habe, da das ein Snowclone ist.
Dann mu ich erklren, was ein Bildmakro ist, weil ich in meiner Erklrung geschrieben habe, da das ein Bildmakro ist.
Dann mu ich erklren, was ein Advice Animal ist, weil ich in meiner Erklrung geschrieben habe, da das Zge eines Advice Animal hat.
Dann mu ich erklren, was Something Awful ist, weil ich es in meinen Erklrungen zu Snowclones und Bildmakros erwhnt habe.
Dann mu ich erklren, was 4chan ist, weil ich es in meinen Erklrungen zu Bildmakros und Advice Animals erwhnt habe. Dazu mu auch eine Erklrung gehren, was Imageboards sind.
So, dann mu ich erklren, was FEP-ef61 ist. Dazu gehrt, da ich erklre, was nomadische Identitt ist, denn FEP-ef61 soll nomadische Identitt nach ActivityPub bringen.
Dann werde ich auch noch erklren mssen, was Hubzilla ist und was das streams-Repository ist, weil ich beide in meiner Erklrung von nomadischer Identitt erwhnt habe. Ich wei, da drei von vier Mastodon-Nutzern noch nie von Hubzilla gehrt haben.
Im Zuge dessen mu ich auch Friendica erklren und den ganzen Fork-Baum von Friendica bis Forte aufdrseln, um a) zu erklren, woher Hubzilla kommt, b) zu erklren, woher Red kommt, das ja als erstes nomadisch war, und c) zu erklren, woher das streams-Repository kommt.
Und das mu alles direkt im Meme-Post passieren. Das darf ich nicht extern verlinken. Klar knnte ich mir die Meme-Erklrerei sparen und einen einzelnen Link auf KnowYourMeme setzen, wie ich es frher getan habe. Das wrde Stand jetzt ber 11.000 Zeichen sparen. Aber das wre nicht inklusiv.
Die Leute ziehen es einfach vor, alle Beschreibungen und Erklrungen direkt vor Ort am Bild zu haben. Also sollen sie die bekommen. Du mut bedenken: Die meisten im Fediverse nutzen Smartphone-Apps. Wenn die einen externen Link antippen, geht auch noch der blde Browser auf, und sie mssen stndig zwischen zwei Apps hin- und herwechseln.
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thats really vague.
It really isn't.
When you want to clone a channel, Hubzilla asks you for
- the ID of the channel
- the e-mail address that belongs to the account on which the main instance of the channel resides
- the password to the account on which the main instance of the channel resides
- whether you want to import objects and files
- whether you want to make the new instance of your channel the new main instance if not, it becomes a clone
- if you want or have to, a new internal ID for the clone on this hub, especially in case the short name of your channel is already occupied on this hub
So if someone wants to make a clone of your channel without your consent, they need the e-mail address and the password of whichever account you use to log onto the hub where your main instance resides.
But apart from you and maybe the hub admin if they're willing to dive into the underlying database, nobody knows about the account that your channel is connected to.
Hubzilla and (streams) channels give no hints about the underlying accounts. They don't give out e-mail addresses (look through and try to find my e-mail address good luck) or anything else that tells you about the account underneath.
The account is not part of your nomadic identity. The domain of the server that hosts the main instance of your channel is. But the account is not. Identity-wise, the channel is fully independent from any one account.
Even if you have multiple channels on the same account, nobody except a hub admin willing to manually dig through the database can tell that they're on the same account and belonging to the same user unless the user explicitly tells them.
Cloning someone else's channel requires extortion or otherwise theft of login information and credentials. There's no other way to even find out the account underneath a channel.
Never forget that channels aren't accounts. They don't have logins, and they don't have passwords.
I can imagine an oauth-like interaction with an existing clone to create the relationship, but that only addresses that pair of instances, not how the rest of the network sees the change.
Again, this would require channels to have login credentials. And it would require a clone to be a dumb copy of some sort for at least a while. It would require a clone to be its own entity.
But a clone is not its own entity. Within the network, a clone is the original, only elsewhere, with the exact same ID as the original. The clone only has its own URL, but its ID is the same as that of the original. The Zot6 and Nomad protocols see a main instance plus no matter how many clones as one entity. And ActivityPub with nomadic identity will do the same.
I can imagine requiring mutual follows
Within a purely nomadic ecosystem, this doesn't work either. Reasons see above.
Hubzilla and (streams) channels, both nomadic by means of Zot6 and Nomad respectively, cannot connect to the main instance of my channel on hub.netzgemeinde.eu and my clone on hub.hubzilla.de separately. For them, there's only one actor,
jupiterrowlandhub.netzgemeinde.eu. The main instance is jupiterrowlandhub.netzgemeinde.eu, and the clone is jupiterrowlandhub.netzgemeinde.eu just the same.jupiterrowlandhub.netzgemeinde.eu cannot follow jupiterrowlandhub.netzgemeinde.eu.And again, none of this is new. This hasn't only been invented recently. Nomadic identity as provided by the Zot protocol has gone live on Red in 2012, almost four years before Mastodon was launched, five years before Hubzilla became the first Fediverse project to adopt ActivityPub, six years before ActivityPub was standardised.
What's new is only the implementation in ActivityPub of something that has been done for a dozen years already, three quarters of the lifetime of the Fediverse.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #NomadicIdentity To probably not exactly few on Mastodon, if someone replies to them who isn't mutually connected to them, and whom they haven't mentioned earlier in the same thread, it's reply-guying, mansplaining and out-right, full-blown harassment.
No matter if this behaviour has been totally normal in the Fediverse outside of Mastodon since at least 2010. For comparison, Mastodon is from 2016.
No matter how many people would still think the Fediverse = Mastodon if nobody from outside Mastodon had ever done this to tell them otherwise.
I'm seriously, the only reason why there isn't a huge outcry and a massive campaign to try and have everything that isn't Mastodon Fediblocked from Mastodon is because every other Mastodon user doesn't even know that there's anything else than Mastodon in the Fediverse, and most of the rest don't know what "disturbing", non-Mastodon-like things the non-Mastodon Fediverse is capable of doing.
And to everyone who thinks they can pressure the non-Mastodon Fediverse into abandoning its own cultures and adopting Mastodon's post-Twitter takeover culture, along with also abandoning all the features they have which Mastodon doesn't, I have a bridge to sell.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #FediblockMeta #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #ReplyGuy #ReplyGuys #Mansplaining #Harassment
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