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Do you mean posts from people whom you follow on Pixelfed
If yes, then yes, you have to log into your Pixelfed account.
Do you mean your own posts which you've posted on Pixelfed
If yes, then yes, you have to log into your Pixelfed account.
There is only one way to connect a Mastodon account and a Pixelfed account: You can follow your own Pixelfed account with your Mastodon account. This doesn't make one account out of two accounts. You only become your own follower. Just like you can follow anyone else's Pixelfed accounts from Mastodon. Or just like anyone else on Mastodon can follow your Pixelfed account.
When you do so, and you post something on Pixelfed (you have to log into Pixelfed for this), you receive these posts on Mastodon. The purpose of this is e.g. to boost your Pixelfed posts to your Mastodon followers so they can see them without also having to follow your Pixelfed account.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Pixelfed The Fediverse is a bunch of different, independent applications which nonetheless are connected in such a way that users of one application can follow users of another application. But they're still separate instances of different, independent applications.
If you're on Mastodon, and you want to follow a PeerTube channel and comment on the videos from that PeerTube channel, you can simply follow that PeerTube channel from Mastodon. You don't need a PeerTube account.
If you're on Mastodon, and you want to upload videos to PeerTube, then you need a PeerTube account.
What Pixelfed does, namely automagically create a Pixelfed user account for everyone who "signs in" with their Mastodon credentials, is an exception, but it misleads Fediverse newbies into thinking that they've got full user power on all instances of all Fediverse server applications with their Mastodon login.
Should we all be having the same handle with different instances (each instance a different UX/app) or... nah

You can. If you want to. Advantage: People can be fairly sure that it's the same you as the Mastodon you.
But you don't necessarily have to. Not if e.g. you want to represent an entirely different persona on, say, Misskey than your normal, standard public self on Mastodon.
I mean, you can also have multiple accounts on Mastodon (or anything else) under different names, with different identities, with different personas or even for different purposes. For example, if you love posting about topic A and topic B, you make an account for topic A and one for topic B with different names. That way, the people who follow you for topic A don't have their timelines cluttered with your topic B stuff that's uninteresting to them.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #FediTips (streams) ist Hubzilla

Einen kompletten tabellarischen Vergleich zwischen Mastodon, Friendica, Hubzilla und (streams) habe ich gemacht.
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With all the servers, it's a bit confusing. For instance, I don't know which one I can connect to peerfed for uploading videos or share videos from other source that I find interesting.

There's a difference between following someone on something that isn't Mastodon and using something that isn't Mastodon.
You can follow a PeerTube channel on Mastodon and see their new videos on Mastodon. But you cannot upload videos to PeerTube from Mastodon yourself. For that, you do need an account on a PeerTube instance.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #PeerTube Hast du jemals Friendica oder Hubzilla genutzt
Und ich meine wirklich genutzt Nicht kurz reingeschnuppert, nicht verstanden, fr doof befunden, weil es sich nicht wie Mastodon bedient, und dann einen toten Account/Kanal zurckgelassen Ich meine, hast du jemals Friendica oder Hubzilla ber Monate oder gar mehrere Jahre intensiv als deinen primren Daily Driver genutzt
Hinter PepeCyBs Welt steckt Der Pepe (Hubzilla) . Der ist schon lnger im Fediverse, als es Mastodon gibt, und schon seit frhester Zeit auf Hubzilla. Auch ich bin schon sehr frh nach Hubzilla gekommen. Wir beide nutzen Hubzilla als Daily Driver. Und wir beide nutzen Hubzilla nicht wie Mastodon als Twitter-Ersatz, sondern wir reizen es aus als das, was es ist. Auerdem haben wir beide Erfahrungen mit Friendica, und wir haben beide aktive (streams)-Kanle.
Probier mal Friendica oder Hubzilla aus. Und zwar ernsthaft. ber mindestens ein halbes Jahr als primren Daily Driver. Und nicht durch die Mastodon-Brille. Dann wirst du sehen, inwiefern beide sehr viel eher soziale Netzwerke sind als Mastodon.
Der einzige Unterschied zwischen Mastodon und Hubzilla ist, dass Mastodon ein Mikrobloggingdienst und Friendica / Hubzilla Makrobloggingdienste sind, die gemeinsam im Fediversum verbunden sind.

Das ist der eigentliche Unsinn.
Und sind die Unterschiede zwischen Mastodon einerseits und Friendica, Hubzilla und (streams) andererseits.

Ganz zu schweigen von vielen anderen Sachen, die vor allem Hubzilla und (streams) haben, die Mastodon nicht hat. Hochdetaillierte Berechtigungverwaltung auf drei Ebenen, Selbstmoderation der eigenen Konversationen, Antwortenkontrolle, nomadische Identitt, mehrere separate Identitten auf demselben Konto... Und von dem, was Hubzilla exklusiv hat (Artikel, Karten, Wikis, Webpages...), habe ich noch gar nicht angefangen.
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da hatte ich ja mehr auf die Unis gehofft.
Zum einen weil der Funktionsumfang doch eher fr deren Bedarf und den der Wissenschaft spricht als 500 Zeichen bei Mastodon. Selbst wenn man das aufbohren kann.
Da bin ich echt ernchtert worden, das die sich freiwillig so begrenzen.

Gerade Unis sehe ich ja am ehesten noch auf Hubzilla. Solche Institutionen knnen Hubzillas Exklusivfeatures bis hin zu Webpages eigentlich sehr gut gebrauchen, sogar auf Studentenkanlen (wobei sich die Frage stellt, ob und inwiefern man nach Studienende seinen Kanal mit allem Drum und Dran dann nomadisch mitnehmen drfen soll nach woandershin).
Aber erstens sind selbst Unis mit Informatikstudiengngen in Sachen IT genauso langsam wie andere Institutionen in Deutschland. Bei denen kommt gerade kleckerweise die Erkenntnis ber die Existenz von Mastodon an. Wenn man Glck hat, halten sie das Fediverse fr nur Mastodon. Viel eher haben sie vom Fediverse noch nie gehrt.
Zweitens suchen sie ja "nur" nach einem Ersatz fr . Erstmal. Da ist Mastodon fr sie auf den ersten Blick mehr als genug. Also gehen sie nach Mastodon. Und weil sie weder Mastodon noch das Fediverse verstanden haben und Mastodon womglich fr eine monolithische Silo-Website halten, schlimmstenfalls nach mastodon.social. Von da aber woandershin umzuziehen, wre so aufwendig, da sie dann an diesem Mastodon-Konto bis in alle Ewigkeit festhalten werden, komme, was wolle.
Und drittens: Sogar Unis mit Informatikstudiengngen haben doch heutzutage keine eigene IT mehr. Das haben die alles hnlich outgesourcet wie der deutsche Mittelstand, nmlich an die Klitsche, die dafr am wenigsten Geld verlangt. Viele Unis drften tatschlich IT ohne jegliche Wartung und Betreuung haben, weil die lokale Computerbude, die ihnen das alles damals eingerichtet hat, ein paar Jahre spter dichtgemacht und weder Dokumentation noch Pawrter dagelassen hat. Wer soll da also eine Instanz fr irgendwas aufsetzen und betreuen
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla Maybe a dumb question: Did you mention your Mastodon counterpart on Friendica
Friendica supports threaded conversations as enclosed objects. Anyone who has received a post also received all comments with no extra means necessary. On Mastodon, however, everyone who is intended to receive a reply must be mentioned.
If Friendica doesn't add mentions automatically, and it usually doesn't, you have to add mentions manually.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Friendica Ja, aktuell merkt man wieder, wie Fediverse-Neulinge durch mehrere Phasen gehen mssen. Klassischerweise war das:
  1. Mastodon existiert.
  2. Mastodon ist nicht nur eine einzelne Website, sondern eine ganze Menge davon, und die sind (fast) alle miteinander verbunden. Das nennt man "dezentral" und "fderiert". Und man redet auch vom "Fediverse".
  3. Das Fediverse ist nicht nur Mastodon, sondern auch noch ganz andere Dinge.
  4. Du kannst Leuten auf diesen anderen Dingen von Mastodon aus folgen und brauchst da nicht noch Extrakonten.

Bis vor ein paar Wochen war es nichts Ungewhnliches, wenn Mastodon-Nutzer fr Punkt 2 zwei, drei Monate brauchten und fr Punkt 3 fnf, sechs Monate oder mehr. Und mehr als die Hlfte aller Mastodon-Nutzer kam nie auch nur bei Punkt 3 an. Auch die nicht, die lngst Leuten auf Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, Akkoma, Friendica, Mbin usw. folgten, ohne das zu merken.
Jetzt werden gerade unzhlige Mastodon-Nutzer, die teilweise schon seit 2022 dabei sind, geradezu zwangsweise auf Stand Punkt 3 gebracht. Jetzt erfahren sie, da es auch Pixelfed und Loops gibt. Und jetzt zeigt sich, wie unvorstellbar Punkt 4 ist, nmlich, da man direkt von Mastodon aus einem Pixelfed-Konto folgen kann.
Gleichzeitig werden Leute von Facebook ins Fediverse geholt, nicht selten direkt nach Friendica. Die bekommen aber gleich die "Druckbetankung" bis auf Punkt 4 innerhalb weniger Tage, Stunden oder Minuten. Die glauben gar nicht erst, da Friendica nur Anonsys, Loma oder friendica.world ist, und hoffentlich auch nicht, da das Fediverse nur Friendica ist.
Im Grunde ist das ja auch im Spirit der alteingesessenen Friendica-Community, fr die es bei Friendica sogar dazugehrt, da sie sich mit allem verbinden knnen, was nicht bei drei auf dem Baum ist. Es wre schade, wenn die ganzen Facebook-Flchtlinge jetzt die alte Friendica-Kultur, die sie nie kennengelernt haben, verdrngen mit einer ganz neuen Kultur, die Friendica als entweder Walled Garden oder Zentrum des Fediverse ansieht, nach dem sich alles andere zu richten hat.
Mit den vielen die jetzt (berzeugt werden und) Plattformen wie fb verlassen kommen eben auch viele bzw. eine Menge mehr "nur user".

Was ich aktuell viel sehe, das sind Leute, die schon auf Mastodon sind und jetzt zustzlich von Facebook abhauen wollen. Da sind einige schon weit jenseits von "was ist eine Instanz". Die wollen nmlich ihre eigene aufsetzen.
Solche Leute sind dann manchmal auch hardcore genug, da ich sie gleich an Friendica vorbei zu (streams) kriege, auch wenn's dafr keine Mobil-Apps gibt. So oder so freuen die sich ein Loch in den Bauch, da Friendica, (streams) und sogar dieses Monster Hubzilla nur einen LAMP-Stack brauchen und auch nur wenig Hardware drunter.
Ich glaube, ich habe sogar vor ein paar Tagen den einen oder anderen nach Hubzilla geholt. Die, die da jetzt hingehen und bleiben, haben meinen Respekt verdient. Ich meine, selbst wir alten Recken lernen stndig neue Sachen an Hubzilla kennen, die es da teilweise schon gab, als es noch Red hie. Daran sieht man doch schon die immense Lernkurve.
Jedenfalls rotiere ich aktuell ziemlich, weil ich auf "in den ther gerufene" Supportanfragen bezglich Friendica reagiere, die die alten Friendica-Hasen nicht mal mitbekommen. Manchmal mache ich es uns allen aber auch einfach, hole die Anfragen auf meinen Stream und repeate sie an meine diversen Friendica-Kontakte. Genau fr sowas ist groe eigene Reichweite in den richtigen Kreisen saupraktisch.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookExodus #Fediverse #Mastodon #Pixelfed #Loops #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams)The Fediverse seems to be going crazy now. Or it's just me and the hashtag search RSS feeds on mastodon.social that I've recently subscribed to.
The blissfully uninformed for whom "Mastodon" and "Fediverse" mean the same have apparently been pushed into the background, just like the fundamentalists who want the Fediverse to be only Mastodon. Even those who have been dragged from Facebook to Mastodon by either of the two groups, and who try to apply what they're used to from Facebook to a wannabe Twitter clone, are few and far between.
No, there are many more for whom the Fediverse is Mastodon, Pixelfed, Loops and Friendica. For many of these, these four are fully separate networks, and they cannot for the lives of them imagine that you can be on one and directly connect to someone on another. I mean, you can't follow Instagram users from either, right So why should this be possible in the Fediverse Isn't the Fediverse an umbrella term for everything free, open-source and decentralised anyway (Spoiler: No, it isn't. Yes, all that stuff is connected.)
Curiously, not only total Fediverse newbies believe this, but even people who have joined Mastodon in 2022. There are Mastodon users for whom the idea is totally alien that Mastodon users can follow non-Mastodon accounts. Mind you, sometimes while following users all over the Fediverse already.
And so there are Mastodon users who join Pixelfed, not because they want to post pictures, but because they want to follow someone on Pixelfed. And they cannot imagine that they can do that from Mastodon.
Likewise, there are Mastodon users who join Friendica, not to shake off Mastodon's tight constraints and get a taste of the good stuff, but because some of their Facebook friends want to join Friendica, too. And they cannot imagine that they can follow Friendica accounts from Mastodon. Even though they may actually already do that.
Speaking of Friendica: This is where things got even crazier.
There are people looking for a Facebook alternative in the Fediverse. Some say someone should totally make one. Because the Facebook alternatives that already exist in the Fediverse, some of which have actually been around for longer than Mastodon, are still too obscure.
And then there are those who do know Facebook alternatives in the Fediverse.
That is, for one, there's the faction for whom "the" Facebook alternative in the Fediverse is Friendica. Not because they think Hubzilla, (streams), Forte and Socialhome are unfit as Facebook alternatives. But because they've never heard of Hubzilla, (streams), Forte or Socialhome. And they themselves are on Mastodon, they don't know a single Friendica user, they've never (knowingly anyway) come into contact with a Facebook user, and so they only know Facebook from hearsay and by name.
And then there's the faction that suggests Friendica and diaspora*. Clearly, they only know both from hearsay and by name, too. For it's obvious that they don't know two important things about diaspora*.
One, diaspora* does not use ActivityPub. It is not federated with Mastodon (which, for many, defines "Fediverse"). The only projects that can communicate both via ActivityPub and with diaspora* are Friendica, Hubzilla and Socialhome. Granted, if you regard the various server applications in the Fediverse as "decentralised walled gardens", and if following a Friendica account from Mastodon goes beyond your comprehension, this doesn't matter.
Two, diaspora* is withering away. A few days before New Year's Eve 2024, several of the bigger diaspora* pods shut down for good. According to at least one statistics site, diaspora* lost more than half of its users within three days. And on Saturday, January, 25th, diasp.org will be the next, one of the biggest and most important pods.
Well, and then there are those on Mastodon who think about joining Friendica, but who need some information first. They shout their request for help into the void. And almost never does even a single actual Friendica user reply. Not even a former Friendica user. Instead, either all replies come from other Mastodon users who only know Friendica from hearsay, or nobody replies at all.
All this is where I keep having to step in.
Just like the last three years when I kept having to tell people that, no, the Fediverse is not only Mastodon, now I often have to tell them that, no, Friendica is not the only existing alternative to Facebook in the Fediverse. I've lost count of how many times I've told people about Hubzilla and especially (streams). I've even made that cover Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) and additionally Mastodon so that Mastodon users have something they can relate to, just so that I don't have to explain the same stuff over and over again.
It's especially when a replacement for Facebook groups, private groups in particular, is requested that I suggest (streams) instead of Friendica. Yes, Friendica has private groups, too. But why not try and go all the way with fine-grained permission control, with four different types of groups to choose from and with the possibility to use the permission system to appoint additional admins, not to mention instance shutdown resilience by means of nomadic identity
I may actually have successfully gotten a few people to join (streams). The lack of public, open-registration instances (there are only two) doesn't even seem to matter because many are looking for something to host themselves. (streams) is nice for self-hosting because it has a rather small footprint, especially considering how powerful it is, and all it needs is a LAMP stack. Granted, self-hosting (streams) kind of defeats the need for nomadic identity, at least mostly. And I'm still not sold about the idea of setting up a server of something before you really know what it is and how it works and handles. Oh well.
In fact, I'm recommending (streams) more often than Hubzilla now, also because it's easier less difficult to set your channel up and get going. I mean, (streams) can really need some more users. Still, it kind of feels like backstabbing the Hubzilla community that's looking for new users itself. And it'd feel like going into direct competition with the Friendica community, weren't it for the fact that the Friendica veterans whom I'm directly or indirectly connected to don't even notice most of those help requests, much less what I'm doing.
That is, if someone really explicitly needs help with Friendica specifically, I do something else: I import the post itself into my stream, and then I repeat (= boost) it. I'm connected to enough Friendica users to increase the likeliness of help from the right people by magnitudes.
But often enough, the biggest obstacle is another: The help-seeker is on an iPhone, probably exclusively, and they couldn't possibly use any Fediverse server software without a native iOS app. In this case, it barely matters whether they join Friendica or Hubzilla or (streams): There's nothing for Friendica in the Apple App Store.
Yeah, sure, you can connect Friendica to at least some Mastodon apps, much unlike Hubzilla and (streams). But using Friendica with a Mastodon app that doesn't cover several of Friendica's core features can only be a stopgap, and what people are looking for is a full-blown, permanent replacement for the Web interface which they never ever want to lay their eyes and hands on. Ever. And getting into the beta test for Relatica is too much of a hassle for almost everyone.
But seriously, why do I, a Hubzilla and (streams) user, have to give more Friendica support than actual Friendica users
Well, at least I've yet to be attacked for alleged reply-guying and Fedisplaining.
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What you (should) have achieved here is: You're following a Pixelfed account with your Mastodon account. Without having to log into Pixelfed. Not even with your Mastodon account.
In the Fediverse, you can follow Instagram users on Twitter, so-to-speak. You don't have to log into Instagram with your Twitter account. You can log into Twitter with your Twitter account. And follow Instagram users. On Twitter.
Or you can follow Facebook users on Twitter. Or you can follow YouTube channels on Twitter. Or you can follow YouTube channels on Facebook. Etc.
Only that the Fediverse has over 10,000 different Twitters, 1,300 YouTubes, over 4,000 different Facebooks and so forth. And they're all connected with one another.
I know this sounds totally incredible. But that's how the Fediverse works.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse There is no Mastodon that covers Friendica's entire functionality, yes. That's because Mastodon apps generally only cover Mastodon's functionality. Only Fedilab goes further, but even FediLab isn't a full-blown Friendica app.
Dedicated Friendica apps like RaccoonForFriendica, Friendiqa, DiCa and Relatica should cover a great deal more of Friendica's functionality. I'm not quite sure if either of them cover everything, e.g. if you can use them to manage the files in the file storage or integrate a Tumblr account.
ActivityPup doesn't automatically mean everyone can do all the stuff the same way as a completely unrelated other platform does.

I don't think there's a single mobile app that uses the ActivityPub C2S API. All Mastodon apps are built against the Mastodon C2S API, and the Mastodon C2S API doesn't cover anything that Mastodon can't do either.
Friendica has its own client API which dedicated Friendica apps make use of.
A hypothetical universal Fediverse app that covers everything of everything would also have to use all Fediverse client APIs out there.
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These sites represent Fediverse server applications, just like represents the Fediverse server application Mastodon.
Allow me to elaborate:
Imagine Mastodon as 10,000 big and small Twitters. They're all connected to one another (instance blocks notwithstanding).
But the Fediverse is not only Mastodon. It has never been.
For example, there's . PeerTube isn't a website. Imagine PeerTube as 1,300 big and small YouTubes. And they're all connected to one another.
Here comes the kicker, something that even some people who have joined in the big Twitter migration waves of 2022 haven't understood yet:
Those 1,300 big and small YouTubes named PeerTube are also connected to the 10,000 big and small Twitters named Mastodon. You can literally follow someone on PeerTube from your Mastodon account.
Or . 3,000 big and small Facebooks. All connected to one another. But also connected to the 10,000 big and small Twitters named Mastodon and the 1,300 big and small YouTubes named PeerTube.
This comment, by the way, comes from . But you can see it on Mastodon nonetheless.
That's the Fediverse.
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That it works only between Friendica instances is not a surprise.

It doesn't.
AFAIK, you can also join private Friendica groups from (made from a Friendica fork by Friendica's own creator) and (fork of a fork of three forks of a fork (of a fork) of Hubzilla, still by the same creator). Nobody knows this because at least three out of four Fediverse users have never even heard the name Hubzilla, (streams) is almost entirely unknown outside its own and Hubzilla's user communities, and what they can do, even fewer people know.
What's true, however, is that you can't join private Friendica groups from anywhere else like Mastodon. And you can't join private Hubzilla or (streams) groups/forums from outside Hubzilla and (streams) AFAIK due to their very advanced permissions systems.
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So, AFAIK there's no mobile app that can fully interoperate with Friendica or Streams.

There are multiple dedicated Android apps for Friendica. First and foremost, there is RaccoonForFriendica, but there are also DiCa and Friendiqa. I can't say how much of Friendica's functionality either of them covers I left Friendica many years ago.
There is also Relatica for both Android and iOS, but it's a closed beta, you have to apply for testing it, and it may be buggy.
As for (streams), no, there isn't any mobile app for it. And it's highly unlikely that there will ever be one. After all, the goal for such an app should be to be a full replacement for the Web interface. Just look around Mastodon there are plenty of users who have been around since October/November, 2022, or longer, and who have never even seen the Web interface. So even a mobile app for (streams) with a native mobile UI that only covers what users are likely to need sooner or later would be more complex than FairEmail, and FairEmail is a monster.
Also, (streams) tends to change quickly and without notice. (streams) isn't a project that ceremoniously rolls out new releases like Mastodon, Friendica or Hubzilla, and Fediverse Report has something to cover in its news. Instead, even if the main dev has declared himself retired from Fediverse development, (streams) rolls out new versions every couple days without telling anyone. And a native mobile (streams) app would always have to catch up with these changes.
By the way, there has been one attempt at building an Android app for Hubzilla. It is named Nomad, it's still available on F-Droid, but it hasn't been updated in over five years. Most of it is not native, though it mostly displays the Web interface. Granted, Hubzilla actually manages to be even more complex than its own descendant (streams).
Friendica was made to replace all important functionality of Facebook from the get-go, and not just yesterday, but in 2010, over five years before Mastodon was made. The only Facebook features "missing" from Friendica are Facebook's games, data mining and half the population of the planet having an account on the same website.
If Facebook has it (on its Web interface anyway), and it's actually needed for social networking (FarmVille isn't, for example), then Friendica has had it readily available for almost a decade and a half.
(streams) is from Friendica's own creator and down a long path of forks of which Hubzilla was the first. It still carries Friendica's DNA (minus Friendica's many connection and federation options), but it's technologically more advanced and more geared towards privacy, security and resilience which also gives it a bit more of a learning curve.
Also, both do have groups built-in. Friendica can optionally have private groups, and (streams) can have public groups on three security levels plus private groups, all with some extra permissions configurable.
with Mastodon, Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) which I've made this week they should clear a few things up.
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I guess I can call myself a Hubzilla veteran. I was there when it introduced "tech levels" which are long gone. I currently have multiple cloned channels, and I do use Hubzilla's special features like and occasionally.
That said, I also use something that you may not have heard of. It's at the end of a long line of forks which leads back to Hubzilla and Friendica, all from the same creator. Officially, it's intentionally nameless and brandless. Colloquially, it's named (streams) after . I've got two channels there as well.
If you want to dive in headfirst, but your Fediverse experience is largely limited to Mastodon, then I'd say that (streams) is easier to get into (only few public, open-registration instances are the biggest obstacle).
Most importantly, (streams) makes handling permissions a great deal easier, and on both Hubzilla and (streams), permissions are everything, and everything is permissions. I mean, I've started writing a Hubzilla getting-started guide, and it contains a whole lot of configuration and app installations and stuff before you can even think about connecting to anyone, much less post.
I'd say that (streams) is better for groups/forums as well. You can do private groups/forums on Hubzilla, but they require the "dreaded" Custom channel role plus getting past a warning pop-up to configure the channel-wide permissions. That's because the only pre-defined channel role for a forum is public.
(streams), on the other hand, has four channel types for groups/forums:
To make a group even more private, you can choose for your group to not be listed in directories, and you can of course choose for it to not be indexed by search crawlers (Google etc.).
As a normal user, you can hide any of your connections from spying eyes, including groups/forums which you don't want to openly admit you're a member of. But that's possible on Hubzilla as well.
(streams) has a few more perks in comparison to Hubzilla. For example, alt-text. (streams) lets you add alt-text to images either when uploading them to the file space of your channel or after uploading. And whenever you embed that image into a post, you always get the same alt-text. Hubzilla, on the other hand, always requires you to manually edit the image-embedding BBcode in your post draft and add the alt-text to it.
Speaking of BBcode, Hubzilla only supports that in posts. (streams) supports any combination of BBcode, Markdown and HTML.
Hubzilla's big advantage are of course the several extra features: Articles, Cards, Wikis, Webpages. And unlike (streams), it still keeps newer versions of some of Friendica's many connectors around, including to diaspora*.
In case you're curious, I've made an article with a number of tables that compare the features of Mastodon, Friendica (as far as I know them), Hubzilla and (streams).
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do u have experience with streams

Yes, I've got of my own.
Is it being maintained

Yes. Even though the main (and pretty much only) maintainer has declared his retirement effective September 1st, (streams) still unceremoniously rolls out new versions every couple days.
Is it compatible w masto clients

Nope.
And to be honest, it wouldn't even make sense. A Mastodon app couldn't even cover 10% of (streams)' features as it only covers Mastodon features. It wouldn't give (streams) users access to important, essential, even critical features just because Mastodon doesn't have them.
No threaded conversations. Maybe not even reading replies at all. No text formatting. No posting images. No CWs. No alt-text. No handling connections. No permission control whatsoever. I'd be surprised if you could even reply to anyone. You couldn't do much more than post in public.
On a phone, you've only got two choices, both of which mean you'll use the Web interface:

Just so you know what I'm talking about, and just in case you've missed it:
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Streams #(streams) That's kind of difficult, actually.
Technically speaking, there is Friendica which was created in 2010 as a Facebook alternative (better than Facebook rather than an outright Facebook clone), and there are Hubzilla and (streams), both descendants of Friendica created by Friendica's creator. They're quite powerful, (streams) more than Friendica and Hubzilla even more than (streams), and they've got everything you need for social networking.
I've made a series of tables that compare these three with one another and with Mastodon.
But if you say, "app," I suppose you mean, "dedicated native mobile phone app." This is the first hindrance. Native specialised phone apps are only available for Friendica and then only for Android and Sailfish OS. The only iOS Friendica app is a closed beta it exists, but you have to join its beta test program instead of being able to load it from the App Store easy-peasy.
Technically, you can use Friendica with some apps made for Mastodon. But you'll only have those features that Mastodon has, too. You won't see threaded conversations. You won't have text formatting. You won't have groups. You won't be able to post pictures. You won't have any access to any configuration. And so forth. You'll only have the absolute, bare-bone basics.
Otherwise, and for Hubzilla and (streams) generally, there's no way around the Web interface (browser, PWA).
As for community building, Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) not only support groups, but they have groups/forums, optionally even private ones. Organisational presentation is possible, too. All three have blogging-level support of text formatting in their posts all the way to embedding an unlimited number of images right in the middle of a post. So a group could make an introduction post with headlines and bullet-point lists and tables and pictures and all the shebang and pin it at the top for all (permitted) visitors to see. Hubzilla even supports simple webpages which could be used for presentation.
"Easy and clear," that's the issue here. Friendica has quite a bit of a learning curve. (streams) has an even steeper learning curve. Hubzilla has the steepest learning curve of all three. None of them has the UI/UX of something created by a Silicon Valley start-up from $50,000,000 of venture capital.
Ironically, Hubzilla is the one with the best user documentation. But what I mean is not the user documentation built into the hubs, but that's intended to be built into Hubzilla itself one day and replace the old documentation. If you want to peruse it, you'll have to be told by an experience Hubzilla user that it exists, and where you can find it. Still, Hubzilla is highly complex with quite a bit of pitfalls and the worst UX of the three.
, but it mostly covers how-tos for certain things instead of being a full-blown user manual.
(streams)' built-in help system is gradually being rebuilt from zero, but in the style of a technical specification again. And it's very incomplete.
Still, you will need some kind of documentation to get started with all three, ideally plus how-tos for Facebook refugees on how to get started and then do Facebook things. You can't use on either of the three what you've learned from Facebook. They do have everything you need as a Facebook refugee, but it looks different, it feels different, it works differently.
For example, if you're on either of the three, and you're looking for the place where you can create a new group/forum, you can look forever in vain. Unlike on Facebook, groups/forums are not an additional feature of their own. They're accounts (Friendica)/channels (Hubzilla, (streams)) like your user account/channel, but with special settings. This alone makes many Facebook users scream out that this feature is completely unuseable, simply because it isn't what they expect it to be.
In addition, if you run a Friendica group on the same node as your personal account, you have to log out and back in again to administer or moderate the group and to get gack to your account. But nobody tells you to have your group on another node than your personal account.
On Hubzilla and (streams), it's the opposite: It's better to not only have a group or forum on the same instance as your personal channel, but on the same account. You can have multiple channels, multiple fully separate identities on the same account because your identity is fully detached from your account. If you have your personal channel and your forum channel on the same account, you can jump back and forth between the two. But this is something that practically doesn't exist outside of Hubzilla and (streams), and so, nobody will tell you about this feature.
Even if you can wrap your mind around all this, you still aren't over the hump. Especially not on Hubzilla and (streams). On Hubzilla, you can have a restricted or private group/forum. But you have to dive into the permission settings of your forum channel, a place where you're being warned that you have to act carefully, and set the corresponding permissions accordingly by hand. On (streams), there's less to configure and no warning instead, there are not one, but four types of forums. But neither the Web interface nor the documentation tells you what's what, and what does what.
Another idea, but much less like Facebook, would be . Technically, Mbin is an alternative to Reddit and Hacker News and kind of feels like Reddit, UI-wise. But it also offers personal microblogging instead of being limited to only group discussions, and it's much more compatible with the rest of the Fediverse.
There are two caveats again. One, most Mbin users are former Redditors. This means that Mbin's culture = Reddit's culture, including, but not limited to dank maymays, shitposts all over the place and potentially also power-tripping mods (if you want to join existing Mbin magazines (= subreddits) rather than starting new ones). However, I guess that Mbin, on average, is not as hostile and xenophobic towards the rest of the Fediverse as large parts of Lemmy are.
Two, again, there's no iPhone app that works with Mbin. For Android, there's Interstellar. For iOS, there's only the Web interface.
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Fedi isn't meant for that. It doesn't provide encryption.

Mastodon doesn't. But just because Mastodon doesn't, doesn't mean it isn't available anywhere in the Fediverse.
() and () offer groups/forums like Facebook groups. These groups can even be made private. This means:

If you really want to talk in private, you and your counterpart can activate encryption, exchange a common password and communicate with encryption both on the servers and during transmission. In theory, even groups/forums can activate and, if so desired, use this form of encryption.
And Hubzilla and (streams) are very much part of the Fediverse. I'm on Hubzilla right now, and you can read this on Mastodon.
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There is no official Friendica app.
For Friendica on an iPhone, you've got four options:

If you think you can live with the Web interface in either way, (streams) and Hubzilla, both made by Friendica's creator, may be interesting for you, too.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #iOS Friendica or, better yet, (streams) or Hubzilla.
Friendica has been around since 2010. It's the oldest surviving Fediverse project. It even predates diaspora* by several months. It was created with the very intent of having an alternative to Facebook that's better than Facebook.
Hubzilla was created in 2015 from a 2012 Friendica fork, all by Friendica's own creator. So it's older than Mastodon, too.
(streams) is from 2021, the most technologically advanced of the bunch. It was created by the same guy who also made Friendica, Hubzilla and everything in-between, and who still maintains it.

There's also the (streams) fork Forte which is basically (streams) with a name, a brand identity and a license and without any support for the Nomad protocol, only using ActivityPub for everything. But I don't recommend it as long as it isn't officially declared stable.
"Unshittified, decentralized, and free" applies to all four. Friendica was relicensed by its new maintainers from the MIT license to the GNU Affero GPL in 2012. Hubzilla and Forte are still under the MIT license. And at least the core streams repository was intentionally released into the public domain.
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Here's something that you may want to take a look at, something that's being developed in Australia right now, something that next to nobody in the Fediverse has heard of: ().
It has very good native groups support. This includes four preset levels of public vs private as well as the possibility of appointing other Hubzilla and (streams) users as co-admins via the permissions system.
(streams) recognises all kinds of Fediverse group actors as such and lists them in its directory as such: Lemmy communities, /kbin and Mbin magazines, PieFed communities, Friendica groups, Hubzilla forums, Guppe groups etc. However, while I've managed to (probably) join a Lemmy community with one of my (streams) channels, I've yet to see new posts from that community. It could be a settings issue on my side, it could be because my community membership has never been approved by the community mods, I don't know.
(streams) does not have Hubzilla's full-blown Gallery app, but it does have the Photo app which also allows outsiders to take a look into your various photo albums. Also, it allows you to embed any number of images anywhere in a post with virtually no limits.
Killer feature: You can add alt-text to images upon uploading or after uploading in the Photo app. This means that you can post an image a gajillion times, always automatically with the same alt-text.
As for videos, you can embed remote videos from various sources in (streams) posts. You can also upload video files to the file space built into your channel and probably embed them into your posts, but (streams) can't do peer-to-peer load balancing like PeerTube. I don't make videos, and even if I did, the effort of probably describing them would be beyond my capabilities, so I can't test the latter.
Mastodon support is as good as it ever comes. The "obstacles" are the same as on Friendica. Both generate potentially weird hashtags and even weirder mentions from a Mastodon POV. Mastodon CWs are done with abstract/abstract or abstract=apub/abstract on Friendica and summary/summary or <details><summary></summary></details> on (streams).
That said, you can't use (streams) with a dedicated native app. Like, at all. There's no (streams) app, and it doesn't work with Mastodon apps, in part because the dev doesn't want to have Mastodon code in his work, in part because it wouldn't even make sense. The closest you can get is by installing (streams) as a progressive Web app.
But if you stick with Friendica, don't use it with a Mastodon app. Tusky is built for Mastodon and only supports Mastodon features. If Friendica has a feature, but Mastodon doesn't have it, you can't use that feature through a Mastodon app. No text formatting, no groups, no titles, no conversations, no embedded images etc.
For an Android phone, look at RaccoonForFriendica. On the desktop, there's no replacement for the Web interface in a browser in both cases.
Still, if (streams) looks interesting, and you want to try it before installing it, don't go looking for public instances. You won't find them. Ask me instead. And when you set up your own instance, you can use to move or even clone your channel over to your own instance.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Friendica #Streams #(streams) From an outside-of-Mastodon point of view (I'm posting this from ), I can see schisms through the Fediverse happen quite easily.
For example:

Or, although this may become obsolete:

A variant that's more likely to happen soon:

The logical result: All Mastodon instances must immediately block all instances of Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp-JS, Iceshrimp.NET, CherryPick, Sharkey, Catodon, Neko, Meisskey, Tanukey, Mitra, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. etc. All instances of all of these have quote-posts. They can all quote-post Mastodon toots. And when Mastodon introduces the opt-in or opt-out switch, they won't know that switch. And what they don't know, they can't heed. So they'll still be able to quote-post any and all Mastodon toots, completely regardless (and oblivious) of opt-in or opt-out status.
This, however, is against the new rule that states that all instances that can quote-post toots that shall not be quote-posted must be blocked. Which applies to all of them. Thus, all of them, every last one of them, must be defederated.
If properly carried out, this would fully separate several dozen entire Fediverse server applications from Mastodon. The only reason why these server applications won't be fully separated is because it's a game of whack-a-mole. Mastodon can't defederate entire server applications by user agent (this is possible and actually implemented on both (streams) and Forte), so server applications have to be defederated instance by instance.
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Notice that I've written, "any Facebook alternative with ActivityPub." There's more than one. There's more than Friendica. It's just that most Fediverse users only know Friendica by name from hearsay and everything else not at all.
So without further ado:
Would you like security and privacy by means of an advanced, fine-grained permissions system
Does resiliance against instance shutdown in the shape of sound good to you
Don't you mind a bit more of a learning curve
Don't your family members mind using something via its Web interface, and can they (or can you) install a progressive Web app on their phones
If so, look past Friendica and straight at the thing colloquially called ().
It's actually a fork of a fork of three forks of a fork (of a fork) of a fork of Friendica, and all forks in this line are by the same creator as Friendica itself who still maintains (streams).
(streams) offers just about everything that Friendica offers and then some on top (like polls). The only thing that's missing is Friendica's vast connection and federation capability beyond the Fediverse. Still, (streams) can connect to everything in the Fediverse like Mastodon, Pixelfed, PeerTube, Friendica, Hubzilla, Misskey, Sharkey, Iceshrimp, Lemmy, Mbin, PieFed etc. etc.
If you're interested, don't go looking for (streams) instances. It's absent from the Fediverse Observer, it's absent from the FediDB, and that's fully intentional. But there are currently two open-registration (streams) instances.
The one in North America is in the USA, run by Waitman Gobble. The one in Europe is in Hungary, run by the German admin Der Pepe (nomd) (more active as Der Pepe (Hubzilla) ) who also speaks English.
If you need a support forum, follow Streams with your Mastodon account, wait until it follows you back, and then ask away. Don't forget to mention it.
Only if at least some of your family members absolutely cannot live without a native mobile phone app, I'd suggest Friendica. Even then, there are only Android apps geared towards Friendica. The only iOS app for Friendica, Relatica, is in closed beta, and you have to apply for it.
In general, if you're on an iPhone, and you want to leave Facebook for the Fediverse, you've got three options:

If you need help with Friendica, there's a discussion group for that, too: .
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Streams #(streams) If you're looking for a more advanced Facebook alternative with (), and if you can live without connecting to diaspora* and subscribing to RSS/Atom feeds, you may want to check out , a fork of a fork (insert lots of more forks) of Friendica by Friendica's creator ( ).
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Streams #(streams) #NomadicIdentity #FacebookAlternative A few additions:

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Set up a channel just for the Constitution. Put it on a series of webpages. Or articles. Or cards. Or into a wiki for everyone's navigation convenience. Next, clone the channel across hubs under various jurisdictions on various continents, just in case.
It doesn't really federate onto people's timelines because there's no point in following it. But still, it's next to impossible to wipe out. Need a new copy Just clone it again.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #USPol #Constitution #CWUSPol Not the alternative. But the oldest from a whole family of alternatives, all from the same developer, that spans 14 years of development.
It's just that, while Friendica is obscure (although it has been around since 2010), Hubzilla (from 2012/2015) is much more obscure, (streams) (from 2021) is almost entirely unknown outside of the Hubzilla community, and Forte (from last August) is still experimental.
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I don't want to add yet another thing - do you know of any other site where people can simply ask questions and/or look at already answered questions (without needing another account)

Some Fediverse server applications that have built-in support for groups/forums have their own support groups/forums which you can (and have to) join to ask for support for these specific applications.
Friendica:
Hubzilla: Hubzilla Support Forum (and various others which are practically inactive)
(streams): Streams
I don't know of any such groups for the Fediverse in general. But then again, today's Fediverse is still absolutely Mastodon-centric, and Mastodon doesn't even know what a group is.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #FediverseSupport #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) Friendica is growing significantly, but significantly by Friendica's standards. For one, that's because Friendica is too unknown in today's Fediverse, and so, many Mastodon users are pulling Facebook users to Mastodon because they don't know any better. Besides, Facebook users are a great deal less willing to leave than Instagram or Threads users.
I mean, Friendica is measured by Mastodon's standards. If it doesn't have hundreds of thousands of registered users and big instances with at least tens of thousands of registered users, it's tiny. But Friendica doesn't want to have gigantic, semi-monolithic lighthouse nodes. And in fact, it's a Friendica tradition to purge accounts that have been inactive for long enough.
Friendica's culture is much, much different from Mastodon's culture. But it's also much, much older than Mastodon's culture.
As for Hubzilla, at least three out of four Fediverse users have never even heard or read the name. Even most of those who have heard of Friendica think that Friendica is the only one of its kind in the Fediverse.
If you ask me, (streams) would make for an even better Facebook alternative than Hubzilla, and I use both (and write to you from Hubzilla now). But (streams) is even more obscure. It's only known by Hubzilla users and its own users, and everyone on (streams) either used to be or still is on Hubzilla. And unless they actually use (streams), they don't know more than its name and that it has lost some Hubzilla features, and that's all. It doesn't help that it's almost impossible to find the two public, open-registration (streams) instances.
Okay, another obstacle may be phone apps. There is no dedicated iOS app for Friendica yet, at least no stable release, so you'd have to make do with an app made for Mastodon. For Hubzilla, the only existing app is on F-Droid, has been unmaintained for over five years and mostly uses the Web interface. For (streams), there are no apps at all. All three can be installed as progressive Web apps, but 99.99% of all smartphone users don't even know what that is and require something they can pull from an app store.
Lastly, none of the three is the outright Facebook clone that many want to have, and so they all have a learning curve that's steeper than Mastodon's or Pixelfed's. But then again, Facebook itself is from a time before everything had to be a no-brainer geared towards total dumb-dumbs, and so Facebook itself has a learning curve which long-time Facebook users have totally forgotten about.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) Let's see.
Friendica: created by a professional software developer with three decades of experience
Mastodon: created by a kid almost fresh out of school
Friendica: adheres to ActivityPub standards
Mastodon: flips the bird at standards, keeps developing its own proprietary and non-standard things and tries to force them upon the rest of the Fediverse
Friendica: aims to connect not only to the whole Fediverse and support it, but also to connect to a whole lot of things outside the ActivityPub-based Fediverse
Mastodon: seemingly intentionally makes everything that isn't Mastodon look broken or faulty
Friendica: shows you what server software a post, a comment or a DM came from
Mastodon: tries to make everyone believe that everything in the Fediverse is from Mastodon
Friendica: counts your unread items
Mastodon: doesn't know the concept of "unread" you scroll down your timeline until you want no more, and you'll never know what you've never read although you should have
Friendica: conversations are enclosed objects with one (1) post at the top and otherwise any number of comments
Mastodon: doesn't know what conversations are, strings threads loosely together from posts and more posts
Friendica: timeline full of conversations with post and usually all comments
Mastodon: piecemeal timeline full of single posts which may or may not have replies, and which may or may not be replies
Friendica: can both (optionally) send and properly render long-form Article-type objects
Mastodon: staunchly refuses to even render Article-type objects and turns them into links
You've already mentioned this:
Friendica: practically unlimited post length
Mastodon: 500 characters unless the admin hacks into the source code
Friendica: has titles
Mastodon: doesn't know what titles are
Friendica: can create the whole shebang of text formatting
Mastodon: can only create plain text and render a small subset of text formatting options
Friendica: take as many images as you want and embed them anywhere in your post in-line
Mastodon: only supports images as file attachments and only four of these, refuses to render in-line images
Friendica: built-in file space with its own file manager from which you can attach e.g. images and other media to your posts
Mastodon: your file attachments land somewhere that you can't see
Friendica: has had group support and built-in groups since its beginnings, but also recognises and supports group actors from elsewhere, e.g. Guppe groups, Hubzilla forums, (streams) groups, Forte groups, Lemmy communities, Mbin magazines, PieFed communities
Mastodon: doesn't know what groups are, doesn't recognise them when it comes across them and doesn't know what to do with them
Friendica: has at least rudimentary permissions control
Mastodon: doesn't know what permissions are only knows a few privacy levels for posts, hiding your profile and hiding your contacts, that's all takes everything from Friendica, Hubzilla & Co. that isn't fully public as a PM because it doesn't know what else to do with it
Friendica: has had well-integrated circles since before diaspora* had aspects which Google+ ripped off as circles
Mastodon: had a clunky and user-unfriendly list feature glued on after the fact
Friendica: you can post only to the members of a circle, only they can see your post, only they can interact with your post, they can also interact with each other's comments
Mastodon: you can't post only to the members of a list
Friendica: built-in directory plus contact suggestions based on similarities in profiles and/or common connections, just like on Facebook
Mastodon: no directory, most servers require you to use the search to find new contacts, doesn't even have the profile fields for Facebook-level contact suggestions
Friendica: built-in federated event calendar
Mastodon: can't handle events
Friendica: can automatically generate reader-side content warnings for you individually from a list of keywords this has been deepy engrained into Friendica's culture for over a decade
Mastodon: uses the summary field for CWs that are forced upon everyone can use its filters to generate CWs like Friendica, but nobody knows, and this will never become part of Mastodon's culture
Friendica: community is open and friendly towards everyone who is open and friendly, no matter where they are, including non-ActivityPub places like diaspora*, because connecting with the whole world is one of Friendica's goals users are only irritated by obnoxious Mastodon fundamentalists
Mastodon: community is only open and friendly towards those who act like they're on Mastodon or even only who are on Mastodon its culture is openly and unabashedly hostile against everything in the Fediverse that doesn't work exactly like Mastodon to the point of this hostility becoming part of Mastodon's culture users may attack and/or block you for as little as posting over 500 characters at once or otherwise doing things not the Mastodon way
Friendica: users are aware of the extents of the Fediverse and eager to connect to everywhere, even including beyond ActivityPub
Mastodon: every other user thinks the Fediverse is Mastodon
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Hashtags haben hier verschiedene Funktionen.
Zunchst einmal ganz klassisch Auffindbarkeit von Beitrgen durch Suche. Dazu zhlt auch, da einige Fediverse-Serveranwendungen es auf verschiedene Arten mglich machen, Hashtags zu folgen, darunter auch Mastodon.
Hashtags sind aber auch ntzlich, um unerwnschten Content loszuwerden bzw. anderen dabei zu helfen, den eigenen Content loszuwerden, fr die er unerwnscht ist. Sie knnen z. B. gefiltert werden, und man kann beim Schreiben von Posts Hashtags nutzen, um Schlsselwrter zum Filtern elegant in Posts unterzubringen.
Es gibt auch an einigen Orten die Mglichkeit, mit Schlsselwortlisten Inhalte leserseitig automatisiert hinter Inhaltswarnungen zu verbergen. Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) und Forte haben das seit Anbeginn (2010, 2012, 2021, 2024), und was viele nicht zu wissen scheinen (oder es ist einfach nicht Teil von Mastodons Kultur), auch Mastodon hat diese Mglichkeit Ende 2022 in seine Filter eingebaut. Auch das kann man mit Hashtags untersttzen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Hashtags
They all function the same way right

Nope, they can be fundamentally different underneath.
For example, just about everything that does micro- and/or macroblogging and that isn't Mastodon has an understanding of conversations to some degree. On Friendica, conversations are always objects which are one (1) post plus any number of comments.
Same on its descendants, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte which even have (they originated on (streams)). They can also have , they offer , and they have that combines with .
In fact, Hubzilla and (streams) aren't even based on ActivityPub. Hubzilla is based on an older version of the Nomad protocol which uses the Zot6 libraries ActivityPub is implemented via an add-on which is and . (streams) is based on the current version of Nomad ActivityPub is integrated into the core and optional and on by default on both server and channel level.
I guess it's obvious that none of this happens in the graphical frontend.
Or to come back to videos: Sure, you may be able to upload a video to Mastodon as a file attachment. But unlike PeerTube, Mastodon cannot actually stream videos from a channel, much less spread the load across multiple server instances using peer-to-peer technology.
(If you thought until now that the Fediverse only consists of Mastodon, Pixelfed and Loops, I'd like to know.)
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #FediverseYesterday 15 years ago, was officially launched and connected to the Hypergrid. Today it is the oldest still existing German grid, the third-oldest grid overall and the only German grid that has ever managed to exist for 15 years. Starting today and until Sunday, this anniversary will be celebrated with four days of live and DJ events.

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Event language is German. In-world translators will be provided for chat.

Thursday, January 16th



Event location: Festival stage, , Dorenas World
hop://dorenas-world.de:8002/Landing/141/145/23

Friday, January 17th



Event location: Rock-House, , Dorenas World (in-door)
hop://dorenas-world.de:8002/Nihilon/217/167/23

Saturday, January 18th



Event location: Festival stage, , Dorenas World
hop://dorenas-world.de:8002/Landing/141/145/23

Sunday, January 19th



Event location: Festival stage, , Dorenas World
hop://dorenas-world.de:8002/Landing/141/145/23
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #VirtualEvent #GridAnniversary #DorenasWorld
Last updated: 2025-01-23