. This is cruelty and insanity.
Not without starting over from scratch.
Also, I'm always a bit cautious about recommending Fediverse users who came from Mastodon to move directly to Hubzilla. They're likely to expect "Mastodon + xyz" and end up irritated because they find themselves on what might be the polar opposite of Mastodon. Something that handles vastly different from Mastodon through a UI perpetually stuck in 2012 and not even really user-friendly for 2012's standards.
And you might want to ask yourself if you really need (long-form articles, wikis, webpages, admittedly simple graphical front-end for two separate built-in calendar systems etc. etc.).
A better solution would be what's commonly called as mentioned by Mike Macgirvin in this very thread he has created it and maintains it, and he has created all its ancestors all the way to Friendica as well, including Hubzilla.
It has the same spam safety as Hubzilla, but it adds even more on top because it gives you even better control over permissions. It has better ActivityPub integration, and unlike Hubzilla, it doesn't confuse people by having it off by default. It has a similar, but less cumbersome UI, also due to lots of unnecessary features having been cut.
However, public instances are very few and far between and extremely hard to find because it's absent from all Fediverse instance lists. I only know two public instances with open registration, Brazil-based and Waitman Gobble's US-based .
I'm not sure, but I think that (streams) did have an importer for exported Mastodon accounts at some point in the past.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams)Fediverse spam doesn't work as easily here on Hubzilla.
Spammers can try to mention-spam me all they want. I won't even notice. If someone whom I don't follow mentions me outside any thread I follow, I'm neither notified, nor do I receive the mention in my channel stream (= local timeline). Unlike on Mastodon. That is, I could turn this behaviour on on Hubzilla if I wanted to, but it's off by default.
If you want to spam my channel stream, the following criteria have to be met:
Spamming a thread that started on Hubzilla can be prevented by the thread starter. On Hubzilla, the thread starter owns the whole thread, all comments included. If you comment on this post, it's still me who's the owner of your comment within my thread. And I can turn off comments for either specific comments or for the post itself and thereby the whole thread.
And yes, this keeps even Mastodon users from commenting. It may not keep them from sending a post in reply. But that post will not appear in the thread at least for anyone using a project that understands Hubzilla's one-post-many-comments conversation model, myself included.
If bad came to worse, I could even only allow certain users to comment on my posts in the first place. But that'd be overkill.
Oh, and by the way, even if a thread was started by someone else and appears in my channel stream, I can turn off comments for myself, but otherwise the same way that I can turn them off for my own threads. Yes, even if the thread was started on Mastodon.
If it's one bad actor or a few spamming streams and threads: Again, there's Superblock which works regardless of whether I'm connected to someone.
And if bad really came to worse, my last resort would be to pull up the drawbridge and turn ActivityPub off entirely for as long as needed. Then nothing would even be able to come in, not from Mastodon, not from Misskey, not from anything else that uses ActivityPub to communicate with Hubzilla.
Poor Mastodon users who only have "mute", "block" and "hope for mods to step in" at their disposal.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #Spam #FediSpam #FediverseSpam #SelfModeration My issue with this is that it'll be something cooked up only by Mastodon admins amongst Mastodon admins with other Mastodon admins, but for the whole Fediverse.
So far, this sounds perfectly fine to Mastodon ears, I know. But very often, these Mastodon admins don't know the first thing about anything in the Fediverse that isn't Mastodon. They blindly assume that everything else is basically Mastodon with a different UI or Mastodon with an extra feature or two, but otherwise just like Mastodon. Just like, when they arrived here, they assumed that Mastodon is Twitter without Elon Musk, but otherwise just like Twitter.
Okay, it still sounds perfectly fine to Mastodon ears. But the Fediverse outside of Mastodon is not just like Mastodon. For one, different projects have different features and different ways of doing things. This, in turn, leads to these projects having different cultures from Mastodon's.
If these projects were developed independently from Mastodon because they're either actually older than Mastodon or direct or indirect forks of something that's older than Mastodon, and if their focus is vastly different from Mastodon's, and if their underlying technology is vastly different from Mastodon's, their culture may be absolutely nothing like Mastodon's.
Yes, such projects actually exist, first and foremost Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams). They differ from Mastodon in ways that are completely unimaginable for people who basically think the Fediverse is only Mastodon. For example, this concerns touchy topics on Mastodon like post length, quote-posts, alt-text and content warnings. But even their threads are designed and structured differently because, unlike Mastodon, they didn't take any inspiration from Twitter.
Also, Hubzilla and (streams) in particular require much less moderation. That's because they give their users very powerful and fine-grained access and communications permission settings and even allow them to moderate any thread they've started themselves. Their groups/forums are moderated by default, and what moderation features are available to groups/forums are available to personal channels all the same. Thus, Hubzilla hubs and (streams) instances never have dedicated moderators.
For those who measure everything by Mastodon's standards, however, they'll appear undermoderated to a degree that justifies or actually requires the defederation of the entire instance for being undermoderated.
I know all this is well-meaning. But it's another case of confusing the Fediverse with Mastodon, a dangerous case even that could lead to the complete defederation of entire Fediverse projects from Mastodon just because of technical differences.
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Da passiert ja auch stndig was. Seit Version 0.9.3.0 luft OpenSimulator ja unter Linux nicht mehr mit Mono, sondern es braucht jetzt dotnet6. Das wiederum heit, du mut Microsoft weit genug vertrauen, um mindestens eine Paketquelle von denen unter Debian einzuhngen. Anders kommst du da nicht ran.
Mehr kann ich dir auch nicht sagen. Bisher hatte ich nicht mal eine eigene Sim, geschweige denn ein eigenes Grid am Laufen.
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(streams), as what comes out of this repository is colloquially called while actually being intentionally nameless, has a vastly different conversation model than Mastodon. It has inherited it from Hubzilla which has inherited it from Friendica which, in turn, was inspired by Facebook rather than by Twitter. All three define conversations as one (1) post plus many comments firmly attached to that post whereas Mastodon defines them as a bunch of posts loosely tied together.
Also, all three have always had support for groups/forums which are nothing but user accounts/ with specific permission settings plus automatic forwarding of incoming posts under certain circumstances. And they've got means of moderation that go beyond what everything else in the Fediverse has to offer and way beyond what Mastodon has.
At least on Hubzilla and (streams), maybe also on Friendica, if you post something, you're the moderator of your own comments thread. You can decide who gets to comment and who doesn't, and you can delete comments. That's because it's you who owns the comments and not whoever writes them.
As Mike has found out, all this can be done in standard ActivityPub, not only to the extents like on Friendica which has successfully switched from its own DFRN to ActivityPub, but even on (streams) which goes the farthest of the three.
However, this still won't work with Mastodon. For starters, Mastodon doesn't know groups, so it doesn't understand groups. This goes to the point where Mastodon users interact with e.g. the Friendica forum , thinking they're interacting with a single Mastodon user who manually boosts everything that comes from there. User-moderated content is even more alien to Mastodon.
Mike is currently reworking (streams)' conversation model into containers that work with the ActivityPub standard without requiring any hacks, also to increase (streams)' compatibility with ActivityPub. But how making it more compatible with standard ActivityPub would make it even less compatible with Mastodon which doesn't even support these parts of ActivityPub because it hasn't implemented them itself.
So he had the choice. Either he'd include a bunch of nasty hacks so that Mastodon understands it. Or he flips Mastodon the bird and sticks to the ActivityPub spec.
Practically all Hubzilla and (streams) users who commented on this encouraged him to do the latter. It might mean that (streams) will appear "broken" to Mastodon users, most of whom think that Mastodon = the standard. But precious few Mastodon users use groups in the first place anyway.
Mike himself reconsidered and because Mastodon needs groups after almost eight years of not having any.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMetaI've read an interesting comparison the other day: Mastodon is the Internet Explorer 6 of the Fediverse.
It's underwhelming. It's underequipped. It lacks features that are standard just about everywhere else. It's actually hopelessly outdated. In fact, it's even insecure, also due to how it lacks security features that competitors have readily available. And it ignores officially defined standards and tries hard to force the whole FediverseWeb to adopt its own non-standard solutions instead.
At the same time, however, for many many users, it is the FediverseInternet, full stop.
For the vast majority of FediverseInternet users, it was the first Fediverse projectWeb browser they came across because that's what they were mouth-fed when they started with the FediverseInternet. For quite a long time, it was the only Fediverse projectWeb browser they even knew existed, and for many, it still is. Alternatives are only known to and used by the tech-savvy, and they're also the only ones who are aware of how dangerously lacking it is.
Thus, it has vastly more users than all its alternatives combined. Its market share is such that its developers don't even have to care for standards compatibility or what advantages the competition has. They can force their way upon everyone and everything.
Even many websites are built hard against only Mastodonthe Internet Explorer and malfunction or completely refuse to work with any of its alternatives, not seldomly because their developers don't even know that alternatives exist. And few developers dare to build websitesFediverse projects only according to HTMLActivityPub standards, even if that means breaking compatibility with Mastodonthe IE6.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Comparison #Fediverse #Mastodon #NotOnlyMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #FediverseIsNotMastodon #InternetExplorer #InternetExplorer6 #IE6 Such transcripts don't go into alt-text. I mean, into the alt-text of what should they even go
They go into the post itself, of course. At least I hope that there's enough room for that on Funkwhale and/or Castopod. And nobody would host a podcast on Mastodon which, except for Threads, is the only Fediverse project with a 500-character limit.
As for my image descriptions, as I've said, these monsters go into the post text body. Right where you have a 500-character limit, and I don't have any limit whatsoever at all. The three links in my previous comment should demonstrate how I do it.
It isn't very accessible to have blind or visually-impaired users open a separate webpage just to have an image described, especially if they're on a phone, and they have the post with the image in one app (their Mastodon app) and the description in another (their browser). It's always best to have the image and the description in the same place.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Transcript #Transcripts #MediaDescription #MediaDescriptions #Accessibility #A11y I'm serious in everything.
When I said I write extremely long image description, .
And just like visuals need to be described for non-sighted people, audio needs to be described for people without or with impaired hearing. At least, pure spoken word audio needs verbatim transcripts. But I'm pretty sure there are people in the Fediverse who demand written descriptions for all audio in the Fediverse.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Transcript #Transcripts #MediaDescription #MediaDescriptions #Accessibility #A11y Does "native" in the first option only stand for ActivityPub as the base protocol of a project, something that is not optional and cannot be turned off
In that case, Hubzilla and (streams) do not fall into this category.
Or does it stand for protocols that have their own ActivityPub support, be it as the primary protocol, be it as a secondary protocol in their core, be it as an optional plug-in which nonetheless is an official, first-party plug-in
In that case, Hubzilla and (streams) do fall into this category.
The poll would have been more interesting if set up someplace else than Mastodon with more than four options:
The third option includes e.g. Friendica and GoToSocial which add support for other protocols/projects such as Diaspora*.
The fourth option includes Hubzilla and (streams) which aren't based on ActivityPub, but which support ActivityPub through an official add-on that comes with the installation.
The fifth option includes everything that needs Bridgy Fed.
The sixth option includes e.g. Diaspora* and GNU social, both of which are federated with Friendica and Hubzilla which, in turn, can use ActivityPub. They can't directly communicate with Mastodon, but Diaspora* and Mastodon users can comment on the same Friendica or Hubzilla post.
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I don't necessarily think that Mastodon development intentionally aims for as little compatibility with the rest of the Fediverse as possible. It might just as well be a case of refusing to acknowledge that the Fediverse is more than Mastodon or a case of not even knowing what the rest of the Fediverse can do.
However: Mastodon is notorious for ignoring a) standards and b) stuff that already exists. Mastodon does not fulfill the ActivityPub standard to a tee. It's just as close to it as it has to be and diverts from it wherever it feels like it.
One example is the sensitive flag for images. There's something for this in the official ActivityPub standard. And yet, when Mastodon adopted ActivityPub, it decided to not only have its own home-brew, non-standard, undocumented sensitive flag but to also not support the ActivityPub standard flag at all.
AFAIK, (streams) lets you flag images in your file space as sensitive because Hubzilla does. However, when you flag an image as sensitive, and you embed it into a post that also goes to Mastodon, then Mastodon will treat this image as unflagged. (streams) jumps through a hoop now and puts Mastodon's non-standard sensitive flag on all images in posts that have the hashtag
Also, it's strange how long it takes Mastodon to implement quote-posts or groups. Both things that have been around since 2010 when Friendica was launched. There's a whole bunch of Fediverse projects that have groups/forums, for example, the various Reddit replacements. Misskey and all its forks have quote-posts. Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have always had both.
So, given Mastodon's track record, chances are that Mastodon's implementation of groups becomes incompatible both with how Lemmy communities and /kbin magazines work and with how Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have groups/forums implemented.
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That's because Mastodon doesn't tell you that
Not yet. They're working on it. And everything else that has working groups/forums now is afraid that Mastodon will re-invent the wheel in a way that's the most incompatible possible to what already exists on more than half a dozen Fediverse projects.
What you mean is probably Guppe, but that isn't built into Mastodon and a far cry from what's possible on Friendica.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Friendica #Groups Thanks for your offer, but I'm still not going to do anything in that direction.
But to answer this:
I had a number of ideas, but nothing with a script behind it. Present places by walking around in them and talking about them, about what I come by. Another idea was to review houses that you can pick up for your own use I would have done that the same style, often even without knowing the building beforehand.
All of this would have been rather spontaneous with lots of on-screen movement, constant unscripted and largely unprepared talking, pretty much like a Let's Play.
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As long as you don't confirm the request, no connection of your account with Bluesky will be established.
That is, if the goal is to make it absolutely impossible for anyone on Bluesky to even send you a follow request... or even only find you...
In just too many cases, instance-level is user-level because just too many Mastodon users never adjust any settings in their accounts or profiles and go with the defaults forever. They feel it's too complicated or too inconvenient, or whatever mobile app they use doesn't have controls for these settings, or they don't even know that certain settings exist, or whatever.
Same reason why opt-out for full-text search was rioted against: 99% of all Mastodon users will never even come across the switch, and they'll have the default setting forced upon them, whether that's okay for them or not.
The .lgbt TLD implies that the target audience of tech.lgbt is the LGBTQIA+ community. People who were often harassed on Twitter before they came to Mastodon. And the "tech" part implies someone tech-savvy behind it.
I cannot for the life of me imagine that tech.lgbt, out of all Mastodon instances, has automatic follow request confirmation on as the instance-wide default.
The only sure-fire way of finding everyone in the Fediverse is by copy-pasting their ID into a search field. No different from Mastodon from Hubzilla or, when the bridge goes live, from Bluesky. This means you need that ID in the first place, and searching only serves to turn the ID into something clickable.
Generally: Any search on any instance in the Fediverse can only find accounts/channels which this instance knows. There is no place in the Fediverse with what amounts to a central registry of all Fediverse accounts/channels. Not even mastodon.social knows everyone.
Bluesky doesn't know anyone in the Fediverse at all right now. When the bridge goes online, Bluesky will still not know anyone at all, much less everyone. After a bit of interaction, Bluesky will only know whom it has interacted with. At most, it will also know the Fediverse IDs of accounts/channels that have been mentioned. If it's interested in that.
This is exactly how everything else in the Fediverse works, be it a brand-new Mastodon instance that has only been spun up for the first time, be it a Hubzilla hub that has been around since 2015, but whose admin turns ActivityPub on for the first time.
Because they first have to send a follow request to their friend.
The opt-in prompt comes with the follow request. It will not be a switch in Mastodon. Otherwise, everything else (save for Friendica) would have to implement that opt-in switch for a third-party bridge separately. Thus, a follow request is necessary.
But in order to send that follow request, the Bluesky user would have to specify whoever that follow request shall be sent to.
Now, at that point, Bluesky may pretty well not know that friend at all yet, so searching them would be moot.
The only imaginable way to send the friend request would be to enter the friend's Fediverse ID into some text field or other, search field or whatever, I don't know Bluesky's UI. And enter it in a form that Bluesky understands.
If Bluesky has such a field in the first place. And one that can handle throught-the-bridge Fediverse IDs.
In fact, chances are Bluesky users will only be able to follow Fediverse accounts/channels which are already known to Bluesky, and which are presented to them in or on something they can click on.
Chances are that Bluesky's account search does not understand the Fediverse ID format that comes out of the bridge, and thus, Bluesky users can't use its search with Fediverse IDs at all. Because even when the bridge is live, if some enters
Remember that Bluesky is not being developed to interact with the Fediverse. It will not have any Fediverse support built-in at all whatsoever.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #Bluesky #Bridge #BridgyFed #BlueskyBridge Okay, since you seem to be a native French speaker, I think I've got something for you. There's a "project" in OpenSim for people speaking French that's called Francopholie. has last year.
It has its own grid with AFAIK only one sim where you can go and inform yourself:
I've also sent you a landmark.
It was relaunched last week, and it's still a bit rough around the edges, but it should be able to help you at least a bit.
Another place you could visit is the main landing sim of the French Atlas grid. Amongst other things, it has another bunch of teleporters that could be useful for you. But put on something warm because it's winter there.
You may also want to follow at least two more French-speaking OpenSim users:
is behind the Argentoratum grid (
And is one of the creative forces in 's grid .
Otherwise, the main source of information on all things OpenSim is . It's mostly that can be sorted and filtered.
If you want to meet people, just wandering around like in Second Life won't do it. OpenSim doesn't nearly have Second Life's population density. It has fewer users on more than four times the land area.
So the best way to meet people is to go to an event. as well. They're usually announced in grid time. That's always the same as SLT. If you're in France, it's 8 hours behind you, and the OpenSimWorld event calendar should assume the correct local time for you.
Just always check a) the description of the event and b) the description of the sim where the event takes place. Some sims and events are in languages other than English or French. And if OpenSimWorld has a red "" on a sim entry, it means the sim is Adult-rated which may mean the same as in Second Life: You may come across naked avatars or worse.
If everything else fails, this is my main avatar in Dorenas World:
And this is my spare alt in OSgrid:
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I'm not going to produce any videos. That'd be way too much of an effort, especially meeting Mastodon's accessibility standards plus my own standards.
If this sounds weird, allow me to elaborate.
This is not a general-purpose personal channel. This channel is mainly about 3-D virtual worlds. I sometimes post pictures from these virtual worlds. But whenever I do that, I add an image description that's amongst the longest and most extensive anywhere in the Fediverse. I have to put the image description into the post text itself for several reasons, one reason being that they're too long for alt-text. Not only does Mastodon only support alt-text up to 1,500 characters internally, it also cuts off any alt-text from outside that's longer. And mine are longer.
I think I have .
I've actually thought about making in-world videos one day and uploading them to PeerTube. I've decided against it. Accessibility would make it too much of an effort, and it'd make the videos essentially unwatchable. I'd include an audio description that describes the visuals in the videos on at least the same level of detail as my image descriptions.
So with an audio description added, . If I didn't stop the video, the audio would not have a chance to catch up with the ever-changing visuals.
Imagine this:
The audio description would inflate a ten-minute video to something between six and ten hours.
Okay, now, a video about the Fediverse would not be a video about a virtual world that nobody knows. But still, I expect there to be blind or visually-impaired users who come across such a video, play it and wonder, "What is being shown on the screen What does this video and all that stuff in it look like"
I mean, the visuals wouldn't carry any additional information. They'd be purely illustrational. They wouldn't contribute any content to the explanation, only enhance it. Content-wise, the explanation would work all the same with and without these visuals.
But not describing them feels kind of ableist, kind of like not letting non-sighted people experience the video in the exact same way as sighted people. And I always expect there to be non-sighted people who want to have all visuals in a video described in audio.
So I might spend weeks making one 10-minute video which would then be inflated to 30 minutes or an hour by the audio description.
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Let's see if I can make this halfway understandable. But it's going to be looooooooong.
First of all, Bluesky only knows what's being delivered to it. Not by BridgyFed. By Mastodon and the rest of the Fediverse through BridgyFed. BridgyFed does not scrape any information itself. Neither does Bluesky, also because it can't do that through Bluesky.
No, really. No, no, really. Calm down.
No, Bluesky won't have your profile and your posts right off the bat. In fact, Bluesky won't have any of the posts you've posted until now unless someone with at least one Bluesky follower boosts one of your old posts. And even only then, Bluesky will only have that one single post.
So what does Bluesky get from you then
Well, normally, nothing. No, really.
At first, Bluesky won't even know you exist, much less where. Again, BridgyFed is not a scraper, and Bluesky doesn't have a Fediverse scraper either. And even if it had one, it wouldn't work through BridgyFed because BridgyFed doesn't support that.
And seriously: If Bluesky really wanted to scrape the Fediverse, it wouldn't do that through that tiny third-party keyhole that's BridgyFed! It'd set up search crawlers like Google that crawl Fediverse instances and send everything they find to Bluesky.
But Bluesky doesn't do that. I can reassure you that Bluesky doesn't do that.
Because Bluesky isn't interested in the Fediverse.
No, really, it isn't. If it were, it would have used ActivityPub right away instead of developing a wholly new and incompatible protocol. Or it could at least have included its own ActivityPub "translators" just like Hubzilla and (streams) have them and like Friendica used to have until it switched to ActivityPub.
But does Bluesky support ActivityPub in any way No, it doesn't. Even though ActivityPub would have made a whole lot of things a whole lot easier for Bluesky itself already, it doesn't. Go figure.
Which goes to show that Bluesky isn't interested in the Fediverse. Bluesky doesn't want your data. And, again, if it did, it wouldn't rely on a third-party bridge to get them.
Okay, so again, what does Bluesky get from you
Again, nothing. At least at first.
Now, let's suppose someone with at least one Bluesky follower mentions you in a public post. That public post also goes to that Bluesky follower, thus to Bluesky, with a link to your profile in it.
Then Bluesky has your name, and it has the URL of your profile. No different from how Mastodon works.
But it doesn't go through that link and scrape all your profile information. It isn't interested in that.
And besides, Mastodon profiles or any other Fediverse profiles are probably completely and utterly incompatible with Bluesky's profile structure anyway. So all that stuff would have to be "translated to Blueskyish". Extra effort for something that Bluesky isn't even interested in. Again, if it were, don't you think it'd use ActivityPub instead of their own AT protocol Yeah, but it doesn't.
So from when on will Bluesky know your profile
Normally, not at all.
Only when someone from Bluesky wants to follow you. And you've either got your profile set up so that anyone can follow you without your explicit consent. Or you actively confirm that follow request.
Then you're connected to Bluesky.
And only then will Bluesky know you. As in know your profile. Or what profile information makes it through BridgyFed in the first place. And what of it Bluesky has a way of handling. Maybe not more than your profile picture and your profile text. All stuff that's public anyway, and that Google might have scraped a gajillion times already.
But it will not have your whole backlog of posts.
I mean, if you start following another Mastodon user who has been here for four years, you won't get four years worth of their old posts piled upon your timeline either, right Or has that ever occurred to you I guess not.
This is not only because Bluesky doesn't do that. This is because Mastodon doesn't do that. It doesn't send any old posts to new followers, and it doesn't request old posts from new followers.
Let me show this to you from somewhere else in the Fediverse.
I'm on Hubzilla. Hubzilla supports importing old posts to a certain degree. If I follow someone on Hubzilla or (streams), I think, also on Friendica, I get their 10 latest posts into my stream. And I get them as new posts. The perk of this is that I can interact with fairly certain posts that only connections are allowed to interact with (yes, that's possible here) by connecting to the poster.
Also, if I subscribe to an RSS or Atom feed, depending on the feed, I get a certain number of old posts.
But if I connect to someone on Mastodon, I don't get even a single one of their old posts. Because Mastodon doesn't support that.
I don't get their ten latest posts, and I don't get their whole post history either or what's left of it after auto-deletion.
If Hubzilla which supports such stuff doesn't get them, then Bluesky won't get them either. Regardless of what Bluesky may or may not want, and regardless of what BridgyFed is or isn't capable of. Mastodon won't send them, full stop.
The only posts from you that Bluesky will ever get are your public posts which you send after letting someone on Bluesky follow you. And public posts from you that someone with at least one Bluesky follower boosts.
And "public" really means "public". Just because you're on Mastodon and no longer on Twitter, doesn't mean you're in a fully safe haven and fully shielded from the world outside Mastodon. Yes, that's an uncomfortable truth if you've believed otherwise up until now, but it's the truth. Deal with it. You'd have to deal with it sooner or later anyway.
Seriously, what the Fediverse desperately needs is 10-minute videos from a true Fediverse expert, done in the style of "Academic expert explains science like I'm 5 years old" videos with colourful animations, that explain the Fediverse to journalists as well as to fresh or aspiring converts.
And that would take someone who
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Bluesky #Bridge #BridgyFed #BlueskyBridge Back in 2016, the very moment he launched Mastodon, himself forced Friendica and Hubzilla upon all Mastodon users without ever letting them opt in.
They've been causing discomfort and blocks ever since with their cultural differences, their un-Mastodon-like behaviour and their staunch refusal to become like Mastodon.
Oh, and they, too, were connected to Mastodon through bridges, and while Friendica has since switched to ActivityPub, Hubzilla still is.
And where was the protest when (streams) forced itself upon Mastodon in October of 2021 in the same way as Hubzilla Through ActivityPub-to-Nomad bridges and with largely the same non-Mastodon-like culture
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There is no automatic opt-in. If this bridge goes online, your Mastodon account is not automatically fully connected to Bluesky, much less automatically data-scraped by Bluesky.
When someone from Bluesky comes and asks you on Mastodon if they may follow you, and you confirm that, yes, they may follow you, then you opt in. And only then will your Mastodon account be connected to Bluesky. No earlier.
Unless, of course, your account is set up so that anyone can follow you without your interaction and your explicit consent. And I sincerely doubt that tech.lgbt, out of all instances, has this setting as a default.
...which is exactly how it works in the Fediverse itself.
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I've read about AppleSeed back then, and I was wondering why they re-invented the wheel. After all, we already had Friendika and Diaspora*, and Diaspora* was a completely superfluous waste of $320,000 because it had no advantages over Friendika. I didn't know that AppleSeed was that old.
Yup. The project was launched in 2010. It took a whole bunch of devs a good eight years for a first beta version, and a first stable point release is announced for 2024. Considering it took you four months for a stable release of Mistpark that probably could do more right off the bat than what Diaspora* can do today...
Not to mention that all the first four devs knew was Macs, and they built Diaspora* against an OS that's highly unlikely to find in data centres. And even when there was a Linux version, it required a version of Ruby on Rails that had to be built from sources on any server distro out there.
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Either that, or Bluesky just wanted to draw some attention to itself in the wake of the Mastodon hype and therefore announced decentralisation, albeit with its own protocol. And with features on top which they imply having invented, but which have been around since 2011 (Zot protocol). "Bluesky is Twitter without Musk, it'll be decentralised like Mastodon, and it'll have better decentralisation than Mastodon!" Only that they've now discovered that actually going all the way in decentralisation as announced is a) difficult and b) not worth it anyway, considering Bluesky's success without decentralisation. Unless, of course, this has all been a ruse to begin with, and Bluesky has never intended to go full decentral.
Also, it's obvious that, like Threads, Bluesky doesn't know anything about the Fediverse beyond Mastodon. If they did, they would have also known: If they lay their protocol open, some third party will make use of it. And if Friendica can federate with something, it probably will, because that's part of what it stands for.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #Diaspora* #BlueskyI mean, Stark is kind of similar. Stark Islands have only got one event sim, but that's a 2x2 var with over a dozen potential event locations strewn about. Some of them can't be seen from the landing-point, and none of them is directly at the landing-point.
Some are inside buildings, especially around the landing-point. One is even in a cave behind scripted doors that's quite far away from the landing-point, and getting there the natural way has become more difficult since the waterway was cut through the main island.
This only works because Niki offers everyone who teleports into Stark during an event a teleport to where she is.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #ZetaWorlds #Stark #Events My estimation:
95% of the people in this thread don't know how the Fediverse works, even though most of them claim otherwise. They "know" that Bluesky can and will use the bridge to immediately scrape all data from all Mastodon instances except for those that have blocked the bridge. Something that even Mastodon's own search features can't do.
And they believe that the Fediverse only consists of stuff that runs on ActivityPub.
60% think the Fediverse is only Mastodon for as long as Threads isn't fully federated.
55% want the Fediverse to be only Mastodon again. Only that the Fediverse has never been only Mastodon at any point in the past.
None of these 95% want to learn the truth, and many will attack anyone who tries to tell them.
And the most active commenters amongst the other 5% aren't even on Mastodon, mostly even on projects that aren't based on ActivityPub, and that have been bridged to Mastodon ever since 2016 without anyone on Mastodon having had a chance to opt out, much less opt in. Namely Friendica and Hubzilla.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #NotOnlyMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #FediverseIsNotMastodon So I guess you're one of those who have joined Mastodon in the second Twitter migration wave in November 2022, and who still "know" that the Fediverse is only Mastodon. Their nice and cosy and fluffy Mastodon.
Well, then I've got a very very uncomfortable and upsetting truth to reveal to you: The Fediverse is not only Mastodon. It is more than just Mastodon.
There's a whole lot more stuff in the Fediverse, and all of it is connected to Mastodon just like Mastodon instances are connected to one another.
For example, there are dozens of other Twitter-like microblogging projects. Mastodon forks such as Glitch or Hometown. Pleroma. Pleroma forks such as Akkoma. Misskey. Dozens of Misskey forks such as Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, Catodon, Hajkey, Meisskey etc.
There are "Reddit clones" like Lemmy or /kbin.
There is the "Instagram clone" Pixelfed.
There is the YouTube stand-in PeerTube.
There is the Twitch stand-in Owncast.
There are the "Medium clones" WriteFreely and Plume.
There is the "Goodreads clone" BookWyrm.
There are the Facebook alternatives Friendica and (streams) as well as Hubzilla which goes well beyond being a Facebook alternative.
And a lot more.
All this is in the Fediverse, and all this is connected to Mastodon, whether you want or not. It's normal. It's intended. It's the very idea behind the Fediverse. And it has always been the idea behind the Fediverse.
Look at my mentions, how weird they look. Look at my hashtags, how weird they look. Look at this post and how it exceeds 500 characters. Look at my bold type. Look at my italics. All stuff that Mastodon can't do.
But how can I possibly do it if Mastodon can't do it
Because I'm not on Mastodon. I'm on Hubzilla. Hubzilla is not a Mastodon instance. Hubzilla is not even a Mastodon fork. Hubzilla is developed completely independently from Mastodon. And Hubzilla is almost a year older than Mastodon. And yet, I can read what you've posted, and I can reply to you.
That's because Hubzilla is part of the Fediverse, just like Mastodon is. And it has always been.
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Well, I always think I'm aware of what people out there don't know. But even I end up surprised again and again.
Of course, I don't expect a significant number of Mastodon users to know how e.g. Friendica or Hubzilla works. I mean, in order to know that, they would have to be former active users of these projects, and only few people who went there and really got to know them inside-out ever became regular Mastodon users afterwards.
In fact, I guess there are only very few Mastodon users who are aware of ever having come across a post coming from one of these two or (streams). I guess the vast majority of Mastodon users who follow Fediverse News are completely unaware that it's on Friendica.
But the collective hatred against BridgyFed showed me that there must be more people in the Fediverse who don't even know that the Fediverse as it is now is more than Mastodon. That hardly anyone on Mastodon even knows how Mastodon works. And that even fewer people know that Mastodon is communicating bidirectionally with things that don't use ActivityPub internally already now, much less that it has done so continuously since its own very inception.
To make matters worse, their hatred against everything outside what they perceive as the Fediverse is fuelled by this lack of knowledge.
Maybe it's actually good that hardly anyone on Mastodon knows Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams). Otherwise there'd be enough people to start a hate campaign against these three with the goal to Fediblock them in their entirety. And everyone who tries to tell them that this isn't even possible because it'd be a game of Whack-a-Mole will be hit with loads of F-words in public and death threats via DM.
Or there might even be a campaign to Fediblock everything that isn't vanilla Mastodon to make the Fediverse only Mastodon again. And don't try to tell anyone that the Fediverse has never been only Mastodon at any point in the past, it's just the newbies' perception that it was when they were new.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ActivityPub #Fediverse #NotOnlyMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #FediverseIsNotMastodonScott M. Stolz
...much less beyond ActivityPub.
Not to mention that a lot of Mastodon users don't understand how Mastodon works. They think it must have a pool of all accounts and all posts and all that somewhere, and the BridgyFed Bluesky bridge will give Bluesky unlimited access to it all.
They also think that Bluesky will be able to post nasty stuff to everyone, even those who aren't connected to anyone on Bluesky. They think the same about Threads, because in their heads, they're still on Twitter where the secret-sauce algorithm would probably allow for that to happen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Threads #Meta #BridgyFed #Bluesky #Bridge #BlueskyBridge Long A few corrections here:
The oldest one is actually OStatus, the protocol behind Laconi.ca/StatusNet/GNU social. It's from 2008. Diaspora* came out in September 2010.
Friendica is native DFRN. It was launched in July 2010, so it's six years older than Mastodon and eight years older than the ActivityPub standard. Also, Friendica does things internally which AFAIK are still impossible with pure ActivityPub. Like on Hubzilla and (streams) to different degrees, ActivityPub is optional, but I think it's on by default for both nodes and accounts.
Not by Mastodon standards, but by Friendica standards.
In 2011, Friendica federated with Facebook. I'm not even kidding, it actually did. This federation required a Facebook account which was more or less remote-controlled from Friendica while also mirroring the Facebook friends list and the Facebook timeline into Friendica. But Friendica let this count as full federation. This ended when Facebook changed its TOS for external apps: They were no longer allowed to extract data.
Also, both Friendica and Hubzilla have a Twitter "bridge" to this day. It works the same as the Facebook connection, but it, too, counts as full federation by Friendica and Hubzilla's standards.
At least Friendica is also fully federated with Tumblr by its own standards. This wouldn't be possible without a Tumblr account either.
And the WordPress cross-poster available for both counts as federation, too.
...which led them into blocking the whole forum or even the entire Friendica node in their fuming rage.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #BridgyFed #Bluesky #Bridge #BlueskyBridge A few corrections here:
The oldest one is actually OStatus, the protocol behind Laconi.ca/StatusNet/GNU social. It's from 2008. Diaspora* came out in September 2010.
Friendica is native DFRN. It was launched in July 2010, so it's six years older than Mastodon and eight years older than the ActivityPub standard. Also, Friendica does things internally which AFAIK are still impossible with pure ActivityPub. Like on Hubzilla and (streams) to different degrees, ActivityPub is optional, but I think it's on by default for both nodes and accounts.
Not by Mastodon standards, but by Friendica standards.
In 2011, Friendica federated with Facebook. I'm not even kidding, it actually did. This federation required a Facebook account which was more or less remote-controlled from Friendica while also mirroring the Facebook friends list and the Facebook timeline into Friendica. But Friendica let this count as full federation. This ended when Facebook changed its TOS for external apps: They were no longer allowed to extract data.
Also, both Friendica and Hubzilla have a Twitter "bridge" to this day. It works the same as the Facebook connection, but it, too, counts as full federation by Friendica and Hubzilla's standards.
At least Friendica is also fully federated with Tumblr by its own standards. This wouldn't be possible without a Tumblr account either.
And the WordPress cross-poster available for both counts as federation, too.
...which led them into blocking the whole forum or even the entire Friendica node in their fuming rage.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #BridgyFed #Bluesky #Bridge #BlueskyBridgeSince the BridgyFed drama, there might be four more reasons for Mastodon users to want Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) out of the Fediverse. I mean, aside from their usual atrocities like their users writing well over 500 characters, using text formatting, quoting and quote-posting like it's totally normal. Because it is for them. And aside from no instance on any of the three having rules and moderator numbers on par with Mastodon.
One, they aren't based on ActivityPub. They're technically bridged to Mastodon. They're bridged one instance at the time, and the bridge is a plug-in on the instance and therefore part of the project. But still, it isn't that much different from BridgyFed connecting Bluesky to the rest of the Fediverse.
Two, since they aren't based on ActivityPub, they're aliens. Aliens of basically the same kind as Bluesky, only that they've mostly got those features that Mastodon has that Bluesky doesn't. But the BridgyFed drama isn't about Bluesky's features or lack thereof, and it isn't only about Bluesky being commercial either. It's also about Bluesky being too different in technology, functionality and culture. But let me tell you a secret: Bluesky is probably much closer to Mastodon than Hubzilla. I mean, I've already mentioned how Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) users "misbehave" from a Mastodon point of view. You won't see any of this come from Bluesky anytime soon.
Three, Friendica is already fully federated with Bluesky. It's a feature that was introduced with the latest stable release.
Four, speaking of Friendica, that allegedly "hate-fuelling" Fediverse News is a public group account on Friendica. Only that the user who started that particular thread is on Firefish, and Fediverse News only automatically forwarded what he had posted.
So where's the outrage
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #BridgyFed #Bluesky #Bridge #BlueskyBridgeSee also the way some Mastodon users freak out when they first discover the Fediverse isn't only Mastodon.
I mean, look at Friendica and Hubzilla and (streams). All three aren't based on ActivityPub, and yet, they're connected to Mastodon. They have plugins which, technically, are "bridges" for single instances.
Yes, they count as part of what they connect to ActivityPub instead of being third-party, but they work just the same as BridgyFed: They connect something that's completely alien by Mastodon's standards with a different underlying protocol a vastly different culture to Mastodon. And they offer no opt-in for Mastodon users.
It is at this point that the Mastodon users should start questioning whether Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) are actually part of the Fediverse. And if they should be. After all, these there aren't harmless either. They're the sources of atrocities by Mastodon's standards ranging from "quote-tweets" with no chance for Mastodon users to stop them to the freaky stuff Hubzilla and (streams) do with their nomadic identity and Friendica being fully federated with Bluesky already now without even needing BridgyFed.
Oh, and to everyone else: is on Friendica, and I'm on Hubzilla. Nice to see someone else chime in from the far end of the Fediverse.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Bluesky #Bridge #BlueskyBridge #BridgyFed Yup, that's another thing. Almost all of those who don't think that the Fediverse is only Mastodon think that the Fediverse was invented with Mastodon, and it was only ActivityPub until right now.
I wonder what they'd say if someone told them that Mastodon is already federated with stuff that a) isn't based on ActivityPub and b) is so much unlike Mastodon, namely Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams). All without their consent, in fact, even without any way of opting in. And opting out would be playing Whack-a-Mole with instances.
A good question for the ActivityPub purists would be: Where does the Fediverse end Is Hubzilla as a whole not part of the Fediverse because it isn't based on ActivityPub Is PubCrawl part of the Fediverse because it's the ActivityPub connector, but the rest of Hubzilla isn't Are the parts of Hubzilla that are exposed to Mastodon through PubCrawl part of the Fediverse, but everything else isn't (That'd mean I might no longer have to write these extensive image descriptions for articles because articles don't federate.) Or is all of Hubzilla part of the Fediverse
I guess many would simply shrug because they only know Hubzilla from hearsay. But let Hubzilla users commit some more "atrocities" by Mastodon's standards, and I guess there'll at least be a very vocal minority that wants all of Hubzilla to be Fediblocked while neither knowing nor caring how that could even be done.
Only that more than half of these "atrocities" plus even worse stuff on top can come from Misskey and the Forkeys just as well, and fairly few people question whether these projects are part of the Fediverse.
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It's opt-in all right. Not only that, but it's shoved right into the user's face along with the UI controls for opting in or not.
Nobody can claim that they've never heard of it, and that Bluesky has been forced upon them without their knowledge.
Obligatory filter-triggering hashtags:
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Bluesky #Bridge #BlueskyBridge Nobody asked you whether you wanted your stuff to be exposed to Hubzilla either. And here I am, replying to you from Hubzilla because your comment appeared on my stream without your consent. 500 characters shamelessly exceeded, hard-coded weird hashtags, hard-coded freaky-looking mentions, text formatting and all.
In fact, himself federated his brand-new Mastodon with Friendica, Hubzilla, GNU social etc. back in 2016 the very moment he fired up the first instance, all without asking aspiring users if they're okay with that and without offering an opt-out in any shape or form. Just by using a protocol that they understood, too.
"We" may refer to the "pure ActivityPub and built around Mastodon" part of the Fediverse. But it's more likely to only mean Mastodon.
And I'm pretty sure that many many more Mastodon users would love to see everything that isn't Mastodon Fediblocked if only they had more exposure to it and knew more about it.
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All three don't use ActivityPub as their main protocol. They connect to ActivityPub through plugins which are not part of the core. So technically speaking, these plugins are part of the Fediverse, but everything else isn't, no matter how much actual ActivityPub code is in (streams)' core.
And all three are projects which, I dare say, not exactly few Mastodon users would love to see Fediblocked in their entirety for being so much different from Mastodon and from the expectations of the Mastodon crowd. Even many more would if only they know what these three are like, and what they can do that Mastodon can't, and how much different their cultures are from Mastodon's.
Anyway, if the Fediverse is defined as only projects based only on ActivityPub, the Fediverse doesn't exist since 2008. It came to exist when the very first project adopted ActivityPub as its main and only protocol which certainly wasn't before 2018. It's even debatable whether Mastodon has been part of the Fediverse before it dropped OStatus in 2019.
(Disclaimer: This comes from Hubzilla. This should explain a lot.)
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta What'd be more interesting is not only how many of all Fediverse users are FediPact proponents, but also how many are opponents, how many don't care, and above all, how many have never even heard of it. You can't expect someone who has just come over from to mastodon.social to have an opinion on this.
Also, different projects, different opinions. I estimate 10% of all Mastodon users would even love to defederate from everything else in the Fediverse that isn't Mastodon because it's so non-Mastodon, and it does freaky stuff that shouldn't exist on Mastodon. At the same time, a large percentage of Friendica users is probably in favour of federating with Threads because Friendica's concept and culture has been about connectivity with everything that moves and then some since 2010.
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Also, I'm always a bit cautious about recommending Fediverse users who came from Mastodon to move directly to Hubzilla. They're likely to expect "Mastodon + xyz" and end up irritated because they find themselves on what might be the polar opposite of Mastodon. Something that handles vastly different from Mastodon through a UI perpetually stuck in 2012 and not even really user-friendly for 2012's standards.
And you might want to ask yourself if you really need (long-form articles, wikis, webpages, admittedly simple graphical front-end for two separate built-in calendar systems etc. etc.).
A better solution would be what's commonly called as mentioned by Mike Macgirvin in this very thread he has created it and maintains it, and he has created all its ancestors all the way to Friendica as well, including Hubzilla.
It has the same spam safety as Hubzilla, but it adds even more on top because it gives you even better control over permissions. It has better ActivityPub integration, and unlike Hubzilla, it doesn't confuse people by having it off by default. It has a similar, but less cumbersome UI, also due to lots of unnecessary features having been cut.
However, public instances are very few and far between and extremely hard to find because it's absent from all Fediverse instance lists. I only know two public instances with open registration, Brazil-based and Waitman Gobble's US-based .
I'm not sure, but I think that (streams) did have an importer for exported Mastodon accounts at some point in the past.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams)Fediverse spam doesn't work as easily here on Hubzilla.
Spammers can try to mention-spam me all they want. I won't even notice. If someone whom I don't follow mentions me outside any thread I follow, I'm neither notified, nor do I receive the mention in my channel stream (= local timeline). Unlike on Mastodon. That is, I could turn this behaviour on on Hubzilla if I wanted to, but it's off by default.
If you want to spam my channel stream, the following criteria have to be met:
- I must be following you. Whether or not I do is entirely my decision.
- I must have allowed you to send messages to my channel stream. Again, that's my decision. And I don't unless I explicitly want to. Yes, Hubzilla has such a permission setting. Amongst many others.
- I must not have you on ignore (which keeps me from seeing your stuff, and you won't notice).
- I must not have you on block (which keeps you from sending me stuff in the first place, but you may notice).
- I must not have you on Superblock which wipes you out of existence entirely from my channel's perspective.
Spamming a thread that started on Hubzilla can be prevented by the thread starter. On Hubzilla, the thread starter owns the whole thread, all comments included. If you comment on this post, it's still me who's the owner of your comment within my thread. And I can turn off comments for either specific comments or for the post itself and thereby the whole thread.
And yes, this keeps even Mastodon users from commenting. It may not keep them from sending a post in reply. But that post will not appear in the thread at least for anyone using a project that understands Hubzilla's one-post-many-comments conversation model, myself included.
If bad came to worse, I could even only allow certain users to comment on my posts in the first place. But that'd be overkill.
Oh, and by the way, even if a thread was started by someone else and appears in my channel stream, I can turn off comments for myself, but otherwise the same way that I can turn them off for my own threads. Yes, even if the thread was started on Mastodon.
If it's one bad actor or a few spamming streams and threads: Again, there's Superblock which works regardless of whether I'm connected to someone.
And if bad really came to worse, my last resort would be to pull up the drawbridge and turn ActivityPub off entirely for as long as needed. Then nothing would even be able to come in, not from Mastodon, not from Misskey, not from anything else that uses ActivityPub to communicate with Hubzilla.
Poor Mastodon users who only have "mute", "block" and "hope for mods to step in" at their disposal.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #Spam #FediSpam #FediverseSpam #SelfModeration My issue with this is that it'll be something cooked up only by Mastodon admins amongst Mastodon admins with other Mastodon admins, but for the whole Fediverse.
So far, this sounds perfectly fine to Mastodon ears, I know. But very often, these Mastodon admins don't know the first thing about anything in the Fediverse that isn't Mastodon. They blindly assume that everything else is basically Mastodon with a different UI or Mastodon with an extra feature or two, but otherwise just like Mastodon. Just like, when they arrived here, they assumed that Mastodon is Twitter without Elon Musk, but otherwise just like Twitter.
Okay, it still sounds perfectly fine to Mastodon ears. But the Fediverse outside of Mastodon is not just like Mastodon. For one, different projects have different features and different ways of doing things. This, in turn, leads to these projects having different cultures from Mastodon's.
If these projects were developed independently from Mastodon because they're either actually older than Mastodon or direct or indirect forks of something that's older than Mastodon, and if their focus is vastly different from Mastodon's, and if their underlying technology is vastly different from Mastodon's, their culture may be absolutely nothing like Mastodon's.
Yes, such projects actually exist, first and foremost Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams). They differ from Mastodon in ways that are completely unimaginable for people who basically think the Fediverse is only Mastodon. For example, this concerns touchy topics on Mastodon like post length, quote-posts, alt-text and content warnings. But even their threads are designed and structured differently because, unlike Mastodon, they didn't take any inspiration from Twitter.
Also, Hubzilla and (streams) in particular require much less moderation. That's because they give their users very powerful and fine-grained access and communications permission settings and even allow them to moderate any thread they've started themselves. Their groups/forums are moderated by default, and what moderation features are available to groups/forums are available to personal channels all the same. Thus, Hubzilla hubs and (streams) instances never have dedicated moderators.
For those who measure everything by Mastodon's standards, however, they'll appear undermoderated to a degree that justifies or actually requires the defederation of the entire instance for being undermoderated.
I know all this is well-meaning. But it's another case of confusing the Fediverse with Mastodon, a dangerous case even that could lead to the complete defederation of entire Fediverse projects from Mastodon just because of technical differences.
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Meines Wissens ist alles, was es da an Anleitungen, Tutorials etc. gibt, hoffnungslos veraltet, weil schon ewig niemand nichts Neues mehr in der Richtung gemacht hat.Da passiert ja auch stndig was. Seit Version 0.9.3.0 luft OpenSimulator ja unter Linux nicht mehr mit Mono, sondern es braucht jetzt dotnet6. Das wiederum heit, du mut Microsoft weit genug vertrauen, um mindestens eine Paketquelle von denen unter Debian einzuhngen. Anders kommst du da nicht ran.
Mehr kann ich dir auch nicht sagen. Bisher hatte ich nicht mal eine eigene Sim, geschweige denn ein eigenes Grid am Laufen.
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(streams), as what comes out of this repository is colloquially called while actually being intentionally nameless, has a vastly different conversation model than Mastodon. It has inherited it from Hubzilla which has inherited it from Friendica which, in turn, was inspired by Facebook rather than by Twitter. All three define conversations as one (1) post plus many comments firmly attached to that post whereas Mastodon defines them as a bunch of posts loosely tied together.
Also, all three have always had support for groups/forums which are nothing but user accounts/ with specific permission settings plus automatic forwarding of incoming posts under certain circumstances. And they've got means of moderation that go beyond what everything else in the Fediverse has to offer and way beyond what Mastodon has.
At least on Hubzilla and (streams), maybe also on Friendica, if you post something, you're the moderator of your own comments thread. You can decide who gets to comment and who doesn't, and you can delete comments. That's because it's you who owns the comments and not whoever writes them.
As Mike has found out, all this can be done in standard ActivityPub, not only to the extents like on Friendica which has successfully switched from its own DFRN to ActivityPub, but even on (streams) which goes the farthest of the three.
However, this still won't work with Mastodon. For starters, Mastodon doesn't know groups, so it doesn't understand groups. This goes to the point where Mastodon users interact with e.g. the Friendica forum , thinking they're interacting with a single Mastodon user who manually boosts everything that comes from there. User-moderated content is even more alien to Mastodon.
Mike is currently reworking (streams)' conversation model into containers that work with the ActivityPub standard without requiring any hacks, also to increase (streams)' compatibility with ActivityPub. But how making it more compatible with standard ActivityPub would make it even less compatible with Mastodon which doesn't even support these parts of ActivityPub because it hasn't implemented them itself.
So he had the choice. Either he'd include a bunch of nasty hacks so that Mastodon understands it. Or he flips Mastodon the bird and sticks to the ActivityPub spec.
Practically all Hubzilla and (streams) users who commented on this encouraged him to do the latter. It might mean that (streams) will appear "broken" to Mastodon users, most of whom think that Mastodon = the standard. But precious few Mastodon users use groups in the first place anyway.
Mike himself reconsidered and because Mastodon needs groups after almost eight years of not having any.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMetaI've read an interesting comparison the other day: Mastodon is the Internet Explorer 6 of the Fediverse.
It's underwhelming. It's underequipped. It lacks features that are standard just about everywhere else. It's actually hopelessly outdated. In fact, it's even insecure, also due to how it lacks security features that competitors have readily available. And it ignores officially defined standards and tries hard to force the whole FediverseWeb to adopt its own non-standard solutions instead.
At the same time, however, for many many users, it is the FediverseInternet, full stop.
For the vast majority of FediverseInternet users, it was the first Fediverse projectWeb browser they came across because that's what they were mouth-fed when they started with the FediverseInternet. For quite a long time, it was the only Fediverse projectWeb browser they even knew existed, and for many, it still is. Alternatives are only known to and used by the tech-savvy, and they're also the only ones who are aware of how dangerously lacking it is.
Thus, it has vastly more users than all its alternatives combined. Its market share is such that its developers don't even have to care for standards compatibility or what advantages the competition has. They can force their way upon everyone and everything.
Even many websites are built hard against only Mastodonthe Internet Explorer and malfunction or completely refuse to work with any of its alternatives, not seldomly because their developers don't even know that alternatives exist. And few developers dare to build websitesFediverse projects only according to HTMLActivityPub standards, even if that means breaking compatibility with Mastodonthe IE6.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Comparison #Fediverse #Mastodon #NotOnlyMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #FediverseIsNotMastodon #InternetExplorer #InternetExplorer6 #IE6 Such transcripts don't go into alt-text. I mean, into the alt-text of what should they even go
They go into the post itself, of course. At least I hope that there's enough room for that on Funkwhale and/or Castopod. And nobody would host a podcast on Mastodon which, except for Threads, is the only Fediverse project with a 500-character limit.
As for my image descriptions, as I've said, these monsters go into the post text body. Right where you have a 500-character limit, and I don't have any limit whatsoever at all. The three links in my previous comment should demonstrate how I do it.
It isn't very accessible to have blind or visually-impaired users open a separate webpage just to have an image described, especially if they're on a phone, and they have the post with the image in one app (their Mastodon app) and the description in another (their browser). It's always best to have the image and the description in the same place.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Transcript #Transcripts #MediaDescription #MediaDescriptions #Accessibility #A11y I'm serious in everything.
When I said I write extremely long image description, .
And just like visuals need to be described for non-sighted people, audio needs to be described for people without or with impaired hearing. At least, pure spoken word audio needs verbatim transcripts. But I'm pretty sure there are people in the Fediverse who demand written descriptions for all audio in the Fediverse.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Transcript #Transcripts #MediaDescription #MediaDescriptions #Accessibility #A11y Does "native" in the first option only stand for ActivityPub as the base protocol of a project, something that is not optional and cannot be turned off
In that case, Hubzilla and (streams) do not fall into this category.
Or does it stand for protocols that have their own ActivityPub support, be it as the primary protocol, be it as a secondary protocol in their core, be it as an optional plug-in which nonetheless is an official, first-party plug-in
In that case, Hubzilla and (streams) do fall into this category.
The poll would have been more interesting if set up someplace else than Mastodon with more than four options:
- Are Mastodon
- Are built on ActivityPub and support nothing else
- Are built on ActivityPub and may support something else
- Officially support ActivityPub, regardless of primary protocol
- Can use ActivityPub, even if it's through a third-party bridge
- Are connected to something that supports ActivityPub
The third option includes e.g. Friendica and GoToSocial which add support for other protocols/projects such as Diaspora*.
The fourth option includes Hubzilla and (streams) which aren't based on ActivityPub, but which support ActivityPub through an official add-on that comes with the installation.
The fifth option includes everything that needs Bridgy Fed.
The sixth option includes e.g. Diaspora* and GNU social, both of which are federated with Friendica and Hubzilla which, in turn, can use ActivityPub. They can't directly communicate with Mastodon, but Diaspora* and Mastodon users can comment on the same Friendica or Hubzilla post.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #ActivityPub
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That sucks. Why would Gargron waste limited resources on (I guess) FOSS that could be used
I don't necessarily think that Mastodon development intentionally aims for as little compatibility with the rest of the Fediverse as possible. It might just as well be a case of refusing to acknowledge that the Fediverse is more than Mastodon or a case of not even knowing what the rest of the Fediverse can do.
However: Mastodon is notorious for ignoring a) standards and b) stuff that already exists. Mastodon does not fulfill the ActivityPub standard to a tee. It's just as close to it as it has to be and diverts from it wherever it feels like it.
One example is the sensitive flag for images. There's something for this in the official ActivityPub standard. And yet, when Mastodon adopted ActivityPub, it decided to not only have its own home-brew, non-standard, undocumented sensitive flag but to also not support the ActivityPub standard flag at all.
AFAIK, (streams) lets you flag images in your file space as sensitive because Hubzilla does. However, when you flag an image as sensitive, and you embed it into a post that also goes to Mastodon, then Mastodon will treat this image as unflagged. (streams) jumps through a hoop now and puts Mastodon's non-standard sensitive flag on all images in posts that have the hashtag
#nsfw and/or #sensitive.Also, it's strange how long it takes Mastodon to implement quote-posts or groups. Both things that have been around since 2010 when Friendica was launched. There's a whole bunch of Fediverse projects that have groups/forums, for example, the various Reddit replacements. Misskey and all its forks have quote-posts. Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have always had both.
So, given Mastodon's track record, chances are that Mastodon's implementation of groups becomes incompatible both with how Lemmy communities and /kbin magazines work and with how Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have groups/forums implemented.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Groups
I pay attention to such thinks, but even with hindsight, I do not see such a group reference.
That's because Mastodon doesn't tell you that
- it's a group (because Mastodon doesn't understand the concept of groups)
- it's on Friendica (because Mastodon does its best to shield the existence of non-Mastodon Fediverse projects from its users)
On #Mastodon, groups are also possible, but I forgot how to use them, as I used them so little.
Not yet. They're working on it. And everything else that has working groups/forums now is afraid that Mastodon will re-invent the wheel in a way that's the most incompatible possible to what already exists on more than half a dozen Fediverse projects.
What you mean is probably Guppe, but that isn't built into Mastodon and a far cry from what's possible on Friendica.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Friendica #Groups Thanks for your offer, but I'm still not going to do anything in that direction.
But to answer this:
I would like to know what your goal is or even why... to enjoy that with you as mostly we are coming from these types of 'normal' video or ideas as a world but happy to see or hear more...
I had a number of ideas, but nothing with a script behind it. Present places by walking around in them and talking about them, about what I come by. Another idea was to review houses that you can pick up for your own use I would have done that the same style, often even without knowing the building beforehand.
All of this would have been rather spontaneous with lots of on-screen movement, constant unscripted and largely unprepared talking, pretty much like a Let's Play.
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It *is* auto opt-in. If I do nothing, I can be follow requested by a BS user. I never said the opt-in was for a full connection.
As long as you don't confirm the request, no connection of your account with Bluesky will be established.
That is, if the goal is to make it absolutely impossible for anyone on Bluesky to even send you a follow request... or even only find you...
The setting to automatically approve follow requests is a user-level setting, not instance, so me being on tech.lgbt has nothing to do with that.
In just too many cases, instance-level is user-level because just too many Mastodon users never adjust any settings in their accounts or profiles and go with the defaults forever. They feel it's too complicated or too inconvenient, or whatever mobile app they use doesn't have controls for these settings, or they don't even know that certain settings exist, or whatever.
Same reason why opt-out for full-text search was rioted against: 99% of all Mastodon users will never even come across the switch, and they'll have the default setting forced upon them, whether that's okay for them or not.
The .lgbt TLD implies that the target audience of tech.lgbt is the LGBTQIA+ community. People who were often harassed on Twitter before they came to Mastodon. And the "tech" part implies someone tech-savvy behind it.
I cannot for the life of me imagine that tech.lgbt, out of all Mastodon instances, has automatic follow request confirmation on as the instance-wide default.
That last part you took out of context. Yes, that *is* how it works on the fediverse. The difference is someone has to *be on* the fediverse to find you.
The only sure-fire way of finding everyone in the Fediverse is by copy-pasting their ID into a search field. No different from Mastodon from Hubzilla or, when the bridge goes live, from Bluesky. This means you need that ID in the first place, and searching only serves to turn the ID into something clickable.
Generally: Any search on any instance in the Fediverse can only find accounts/channels which this instance knows. There is no place in the Fediverse with what amounts to a central registry of all Fediverse accounts/channels. Not even mastodon.social knows everyone.
Bluesky doesn't know anyone in the Fediverse at all right now. When the bridge goes online, Bluesky will still not know anyone at all, much less everyone. After a bit of interaction, Bluesky will only know whom it has interacted with. At most, it will also know the Fediverse IDs of accounts/channels that have been mentioned. If it's interested in that.
This is exactly how everything else in the Fediverse works, be it a brand-new Mastodon instance that has only been spun up for the first time, be it a Hubzilla hub that has been around since 2015, but whose admin turns ActivityPub on for the first time.
If a BS user needs to get the full handle of their friend to find them through the bridge, why can't they also just ask their friend to opt-in to the bridge
Because they first have to send a follow request to their friend.
The opt-in prompt comes with the follow request. It will not be a switch in Mastodon. Otherwise, everything else (save for Friendica) would have to implement that opt-in switch for a third-party bridge separately. Thus, a follow request is necessary.
But in order to send that follow request, the Bluesky user would have to specify whoever that follow request shall be sent to.
Now, at that point, Bluesky may pretty well not know that friend at all yet, so searching them would be moot.
The only imaginable way to send the friend request would be to enter the friend's Fediverse ID into some text field or other, search field or whatever, I don't know Bluesky's UI. And enter it in a form that Bluesky understands.
If Bluesky has such a field in the first place. And one that can handle throught-the-bridge Fediverse IDs.
In fact, chances are Bluesky users will only be able to follow Fediverse accounts/channels which are already known to Bluesky, and which are presented to them in or on something they can click on.
Chances are that Bluesky's account search does not understand the Fediverse ID format that comes out of the bridge, and thus, Bluesky users can't use its search with Fediverse IDs at all. Because even when the bridge is live, if some enters
chronoharttech.lgbt into Bluesky's search, Bluesky will understand this as a Bluesky ID, search Bluesky for it and not find it. It won't even come up with the idea that this could be on Mastodon, i.e. on a wholly different network.Remember that Bluesky is not being developed to interact with the Fediverse. It will not have any Fediverse support built-in at all whatsoever.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #Bluesky #Bridge #BridgyFed #BlueskyBridge Okay, since you seem to be a native French speaker, I think I've got something for you. There's a "project" in OpenSim for people speaking French that's called Francopholie. has last year.
It has its own grid with AFAIK only one sim where you can go and inform yourself:
francopholie.fr:8000:Francopholie
hop://francopholie.fr:8000/Francopholie/64/86/33I've also sent you a landmark.
It was relaunched last week, and it's still a bit rough around the edges, but it should be able to help you at least a bit.
Another place you could visit is the main landing sim of the French Atlas grid. Amongst other things, it has another bunch of teleporters that could be useful for you. But put on something warm because it's winter there.
atlasgrid.fr:8002:AtlasYou may also want to follow at least two more French-speaking OpenSim users:
is behind the Argentoratum grid (
cogito.no-ip.info:8002) and . She also has a PeerTube channel: .And is one of the creative forces in 's grid .
Otherwise, the main source of information on all things OpenSim is . It's mostly that can be sorted and filtered.
If you want to meet people, just wandering around like in Second Life won't do it. OpenSim doesn't nearly have Second Life's population density. It has fewer users on more than four times the land area.
So the best way to meet people is to go to an event. as well. They're usually announced in grid time. That's always the same as SLT. If you're in France, it's 8 hours behind you, and the OpenSimWorld event calendar should assume the correct local time for you.
Just always check a) the description of the event and b) the description of the sim where the event takes place. Some sims and events are in languages other than English or French. And if OpenSimWorld has a red "" on a sim entry, it means the sim is Adult-rated which may mean the same as in Second Life: You may come across naked avatars or worse.
If everything else fails, this is my main avatar in Dorenas World:
25b59a09-efb3-40a7-b191-85f7a68d29d7And this is my spare alt in OSgrid:
629a21a6-6be9-46bf-b21b-ca5a12ff90efCC:
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #Francophone #Francophones #Francopholie #AtlasGrid #Argentoratum #OpenSimWorld
So I'm happy with that explanation and seems like you've put yourself in with half a chance to do such a small video and even prepped it now!
Even this as audio with pics... even here native... I'd listen (not sure elsewhere if I'd click).
So as side-note I'll be happy to help you produce such a thing and even invite you to send similar points by audio (your text above as script already pretty much lol) and I'll arrange it and send back to you complete!
I'm not going to produce any videos. That'd be way too much of an effort, especially meeting Mastodon's accessibility standards plus my own standards.
If this sounds weird, allow me to elaborate.
This is not a general-purpose personal channel. This channel is mainly about 3-D virtual worlds. I sometimes post pictures from these virtual worlds. But whenever I do that, I add an image description that's amongst the longest and most extensive anywhere in the Fediverse. I have to put the image description into the post text itself for several reasons, one reason being that they're too long for alt-text. Not only does Mastodon only support alt-text up to 1,500 characters internally, it also cuts off any alt-text from outside that's longer. And mine are longer.
I think I have .
I've actually thought about making in-world videos one day and uploading them to PeerTube. I've decided against it. Accessibility would make it too much of an effort, and it'd make the videos essentially unwatchable. I'd include an audio description that describes the visuals in the videos on at least the same level of detail as my image descriptions.
So with an audio description added, . If I didn't stop the video, the audio would not have a chance to catch up with the ever-changing visuals.
Imagine this:
- Two and a half seconds of actually moving pictures.
- Voiceover describes the camera movement.
- A building comes into view.
- Video stops.
- Voiceover describes the building and explains what needs to be explained to someone who doesn't know anything about anything in the video.
- Ten minutes later, the video starts moving again.
The audio description would inflate a ten-minute video to something between six and ten hours.
Okay, now, a video about the Fediverse would not be a video about a virtual world that nobody knows. But still, I expect there to be blind or visually-impaired users who come across such a video, play it and wonder, "What is being shown on the screen What does this video and all that stuff in it look like"
I mean, the visuals wouldn't carry any additional information. They'd be purely illustrational. They wouldn't contribute any content to the explanation, only enhance it. Content-wise, the explanation would work all the same with and without these visuals.
But not describing them feels kind of ableist, kind of like not letting non-sighted people experience the video in the exact same way as sighted people. And I always expect there to be non-sighted people who want to have all visuals in a video described in audio.
So I might spend weeks making one 10-minute video which would then be inflated to 30 minutes or an hour by the audio description.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Accessibility #A11y #MediaDescription #AudioDescription
I think it's a good way to educate actually, and could you reply again what you would reply typically to your own post if someone asked "ok so how is it if not that" since I / they would be ready to hear at that point
Let's see if I can make this halfway understandable. But it's going to be looooooooong.
First of all, Bluesky only knows what's being delivered to it. Not by BridgyFed. By Mastodon and the rest of the Fediverse through BridgyFed. BridgyFed does not scrape any information itself. Neither does Bluesky, also because it can't do that through Bluesky.
No, really. No, no, really. Calm down.
No, Bluesky won't have your profile and your posts right off the bat. In fact, Bluesky won't have any of the posts you've posted until now unless someone with at least one Bluesky follower boosts one of your old posts. And even only then, Bluesky will only have that one single post.
So what does Bluesky get from you then
Well, normally, nothing. No, really.
At first, Bluesky won't even know you exist, much less where. Again, BridgyFed is not a scraper, and Bluesky doesn't have a Fediverse scraper either. And even if it had one, it wouldn't work through BridgyFed because BridgyFed doesn't support that.
And seriously: If Bluesky really wanted to scrape the Fediverse, it wouldn't do that through that tiny third-party keyhole that's BridgyFed! It'd set up search crawlers like Google that crawl Fediverse instances and send everything they find to Bluesky.
But Bluesky doesn't do that. I can reassure you that Bluesky doesn't do that.
Because Bluesky isn't interested in the Fediverse.
No, really, it isn't. If it were, it would have used ActivityPub right away instead of developing a wholly new and incompatible protocol. Or it could at least have included its own ActivityPub "translators" just like Hubzilla and (streams) have them and like Friendica used to have until it switched to ActivityPub.
But does Bluesky support ActivityPub in any way No, it doesn't. Even though ActivityPub would have made a whole lot of things a whole lot easier for Bluesky itself already, it doesn't. Go figure.
Which goes to show that Bluesky isn't interested in the Fediverse. Bluesky doesn't want your data. And, again, if it did, it wouldn't rely on a third-party bridge to get them.
Okay, so again, what does Bluesky get from you
Again, nothing. At least at first.
Now, let's suppose someone with at least one Bluesky follower mentions you in a public post. That public post also goes to that Bluesky follower, thus to Bluesky, with a link to your profile in it.
Then Bluesky has your name, and it has the URL of your profile. No different from how Mastodon works.
But it doesn't go through that link and scrape all your profile information. It isn't interested in that.
And besides, Mastodon profiles or any other Fediverse profiles are probably completely and utterly incompatible with Bluesky's profile structure anyway. So all that stuff would have to be "translated to Blueskyish". Extra effort for something that Bluesky isn't even interested in. Again, if it were, don't you think it'd use ActivityPub instead of their own AT protocol Yeah, but it doesn't.
So from when on will Bluesky know your profile
Normally, not at all.
Only when someone from Bluesky wants to follow you. And you've either got your profile set up so that anyone can follow you without your explicit consent. Or you actively confirm that follow request.
Then you're connected to Bluesky.
And only then will Bluesky know you. As in know your profile. Or what profile information makes it through BridgyFed in the first place. And what of it Bluesky has a way of handling. Maybe not more than your profile picture and your profile text. All stuff that's public anyway, and that Google might have scraped a gajillion times already.
But it will not have your whole backlog of posts.
I mean, if you start following another Mastodon user who has been here for four years, you won't get four years worth of their old posts piled upon your timeline either, right Or has that ever occurred to you I guess not.
This is not only because Bluesky doesn't do that. This is because Mastodon doesn't do that. It doesn't send any old posts to new followers, and it doesn't request old posts from new followers.
Let me show this to you from somewhere else in the Fediverse.
I'm on Hubzilla. Hubzilla supports importing old posts to a certain degree. If I follow someone on Hubzilla or (streams), I think, also on Friendica, I get their 10 latest posts into my stream. And I get them as new posts. The perk of this is that I can interact with fairly certain posts that only connections are allowed to interact with (yes, that's possible here) by connecting to the poster.
Also, if I subscribe to an RSS or Atom feed, depending on the feed, I get a certain number of old posts.
But if I connect to someone on Mastodon, I don't get even a single one of their old posts. Because Mastodon doesn't support that.
I don't get their ten latest posts, and I don't get their whole post history either or what's left of it after auto-deletion.
If Hubzilla which supports such stuff doesn't get them, then Bluesky won't get them either. Regardless of what Bluesky may or may not want, and regardless of what BridgyFed is or isn't capable of. Mastodon won't send them, full stop.
The only posts from you that Bluesky will ever get are your public posts which you send after letting someone on Bluesky follow you. And public posts from you that someone with at least one Bluesky follower boosts.
And "public" really means "public". Just because you're on Mastodon and no longer on Twitter, doesn't mean you're in a fully safe haven and fully shielded from the world outside Mastodon. Yes, that's an uncomfortable truth if you've believed otherwise up until now, but it's the truth. Deal with it. You'd have to deal with it sooner or later anyway.
Seriously, what the Fediverse desperately needs is 10-minute videos from a true Fediverse expert, done in the style of "Academic expert explains science like I'm 5 years old" videos with colourful animations, that explain the Fediverse to journalists as well as to fresh or aspiring converts.
And that would take someone who
- really knows the whole Fediverse inside-out, all the way into its deepest nooks and crannies
- still doesn't only "speak dev" or "speak admin" and can actually make things understandable to your average tech-illiterate user with only a phone
- can make such animations
- can also make these videos fully accessible, not only with a verbatim transcript, but, if necessary, with additional real-time audio descriptions that optionally tell blind or visually-impaired users what happens on-screen, even if what happens on-screen only serves as illustrations for the explanations
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Bluesky #Bridge #BridgyFed #BlueskyBridge Back in 2016, the very moment he launched Mastodon, himself forced Friendica and Hubzilla upon all Mastodon users without ever letting them opt in.
They've been causing discomfort and blocks ever since with their cultural differences, their un-Mastodon-like behaviour and their staunch refusal to become like Mastodon.
Oh, and they, too, were connected to Mastodon through bridges, and while Friendica has since switched to ActivityPub, Hubzilla still is.
And where was the protest when (streams) forced itself upon Mastodon in October of 2021 in the same way as Hubzilla Through ActivityPub-to-Nomad bridges and with largely the same non-Mastodon-like culture
CC: Scott M. Stolz
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If that's how this will work, what benefit does this automatic opt-in provide to folks that want to use the bridge
There is no automatic opt-in. If this bridge goes online, your Mastodon account is not automatically fully connected to Bluesky, much less automatically data-scraped by Bluesky.
When someone from Bluesky comes and asks you on Mastodon if they may follow you, and you confirm that, yes, they may follow you, then you opt in. And only then will your Mastodon account be connected to Bluesky. No earlier.
Unless, of course, your account is set up so that anyone can follow you without your interaction and your explicit consent. And I sincerely doubt that tech.lgbt, out of all instances, has this setting as a default.
If BS users are, realistically, going to need to know the exact username and instance of the AP user, they are going to need to get that information *from* the AP user
...which is exactly how it works in the Fediverse itself.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Bluesky #Bridge #BridgyFed #BlueskyBridgeMike Macgirvin
And an old project called AppleSeed that was technically advanced, but your stream was assembled in real time by fetching every remote post before displaying it on the page. It took ten minutes to load a page.
I've read about AppleSeed back then, and I was wondering why they re-invented the wheel. After all, we already had Friendika and Diaspora*, and Diaspora* was a completely superfluous waste of $320,000 because it had no advantages over Friendika. I didn't know that AppleSeed was that old.
Diaspora was vapourware by a bunch of kids with zero development or messaging or any related experience.
Yup. The project was launched in 2010. It took a whole bunch of devs a good eight years for a first beta version, and a first stable point release is announced for 2024. Considering it took you four months for a stable release of Mistpark that probably could do more right off the bat than what Diaspora* can do today...
Not to mention that all the first four devs knew was Macs, and they built Diaspora* against an OS that's highly unlikely to find in data centres. And even when there was a Linux version, it required a version of Ruby on Rails that had to be built from sources on any server distro out there.
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Well, either Bluesky had the same mindset as Diaspora* back then. Be decentralised internally, but a walled garden towards the outside world. Diaspora* would still be isolated without Friendica's tedious work back in the day, and Bluesky wants to be the same. Yes, with not even only a public API, but laying the whole protocol open.Either that, or Bluesky just wanted to draw some attention to itself in the wake of the Mastodon hype and therefore announced decentralisation, albeit with its own protocol. And with features on top which they imply having invented, but which have been around since 2011 (Zot protocol). "Bluesky is Twitter without Musk, it'll be decentralised like Mastodon, and it'll have better decentralisation than Mastodon!" Only that they've now discovered that actually going all the way in decentralisation as announced is a) difficult and b) not worth it anyway, considering Bluesky's success without decentralisation. Unless, of course, this has all been a ruse to begin with, and Bluesky has never intended to go full decentral.
Also, it's obvious that, like Threads, Bluesky doesn't know anything about the Fediverse beyond Mastodon. If they did, they would have also known: If they lay their protocol open, some third party will make use of it. And if Friendica can federate with something, it probably will, because that's part of what it stands for.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #Diaspora* #BlueskyI mean, Stark is kind of similar. Stark Islands have only got one event sim, but that's a 2x2 var with over a dozen potential event locations strewn about. Some of them can't be seen from the landing-point, and none of them is directly at the landing-point.
Some are inside buildings, especially around the landing-point. One is even in a cave behind scripted doors that's quite far away from the landing-point, and getting there the natural way has become more difficult since the waterway was cut through the main island.
This only works because Niki offers everyone who teleports into Stark during an event a teleport to where she is.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #ZetaWorlds #Stark #Events My estimation:
95% of the people in this thread don't know how the Fediverse works, even though most of them claim otherwise. They "know" that Bluesky can and will use the bridge to immediately scrape all data from all Mastodon instances except for those that have blocked the bridge. Something that even Mastodon's own search features can't do.
And they believe that the Fediverse only consists of stuff that runs on ActivityPub.
60% think the Fediverse is only Mastodon for as long as Threads isn't fully federated.
55% want the Fediverse to be only Mastodon again. Only that the Fediverse has never been only Mastodon at any point in the past.
None of these 95% want to learn the truth, and many will attack anyone who tries to tell them.
And the most active commenters amongst the other 5% aren't even on Mastodon, mostly even on projects that aren't based on ActivityPub, and that have been bridged to Mastodon ever since 2016 without anyone on Mastodon having had a chance to opt out, much less opt in. Namely Friendica and Hubzilla.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #NotOnlyMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #FediverseIsNotMastodon So I guess you're one of those who have joined Mastodon in the second Twitter migration wave in November 2022, and who still "know" that the Fediverse is only Mastodon. Their nice and cosy and fluffy Mastodon.
Well, then I've got a very very uncomfortable and upsetting truth to reveal to you: The Fediverse is not only Mastodon. It is more than just Mastodon.
There's a whole lot more stuff in the Fediverse, and all of it is connected to Mastodon just like Mastodon instances are connected to one another.
For example, there are dozens of other Twitter-like microblogging projects. Mastodon forks such as Glitch or Hometown. Pleroma. Pleroma forks such as Akkoma. Misskey. Dozens of Misskey forks such as Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, Catodon, Hajkey, Meisskey etc.
There are "Reddit clones" like Lemmy or /kbin.
There is the "Instagram clone" Pixelfed.
There is the YouTube stand-in PeerTube.
There is the Twitch stand-in Owncast.
There are the "Medium clones" WriteFreely and Plume.
There is the "Goodreads clone" BookWyrm.
There are the Facebook alternatives Friendica and (streams) as well as Hubzilla which goes well beyond being a Facebook alternative.
And a lot more.
All this is in the Fediverse, and all this is connected to Mastodon, whether you want or not. It's normal. It's intended. It's the very idea behind the Fediverse. And it has always been the idea behind the Fediverse.
Look at my mentions, how weird they look. Look at my hashtags, how weird they look. Look at this post and how it exceeds 500 characters. Look at my bold type. Look at my italics. All stuff that Mastodon can't do.
But how can I possibly do it if Mastodon can't do it
Because I'm not on Mastodon. I'm on Hubzilla. Hubzilla is not a Mastodon instance. Hubzilla is not even a Mastodon fork. Hubzilla is developed completely independently from Mastodon. And Hubzilla is almost a year older than Mastodon. And yet, I can read what you've posted, and I can reply to you.
That's because Hubzilla is part of the Fediverse, just like Mastodon is. And it has always been.
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But I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of users simply aren't aware of information that may seem completely obvious to you.
Well, I always think I'm aware of what people out there don't know. But even I end up surprised again and again.
Of course, I don't expect a significant number of Mastodon users to know how e.g. Friendica or Hubzilla works. I mean, in order to know that, they would have to be former active users of these projects, and only few people who went there and really got to know them inside-out ever became regular Mastodon users afterwards.
In fact, I guess there are only very few Mastodon users who are aware of ever having come across a post coming from one of these two or (streams). I guess the vast majority of Mastodon users who follow Fediverse News are completely unaware that it's on Friendica.
But the collective hatred against BridgyFed showed me that there must be more people in the Fediverse who don't even know that the Fediverse as it is now is more than Mastodon. That hardly anyone on Mastodon even knows how Mastodon works. And that even fewer people know that Mastodon is communicating bidirectionally with things that don't use ActivityPub internally already now, much less that it has done so continuously since its own very inception.
To make matters worse, their hatred against everything outside what they perceive as the Fediverse is fuelled by this lack of knowledge.
Maybe it's actually good that hardly anyone on Mastodon knows Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams). Otherwise there'd be enough people to start a hate campaign against these three with the goal to Fediblock them in their entirety. And everyone who tries to tell them that this isn't even possible because it'd be a game of Whack-a-Mole will be hit with loads of F-words in public and death threats via DM.
Or there might even be a campaign to Fediblock everything that isn't vanilla Mastodon to make the Fediverse only Mastodon again. And don't try to tell anyone that the Fediverse has never been only Mastodon at any point in the past, it's just the newbies' perception that it was when they were new.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ActivityPub #Fediverse #NotOnlyMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #FediverseIsNotMastodonScott M. Stolz
And there was a lot of ignorance about how the fediverse actually works (i.e. most didn't know that their posts are already federated beyond Mastodon).
...much less beyond ActivityPub.
Not to mention that a lot of Mastodon users don't understand how Mastodon works. They think it must have a pool of all accounts and all posts and all that somewhere, and the BridgyFed Bluesky bridge will give Bluesky unlimited access to it all.
They also think that Bluesky will be able to post nasty stuff to everyone, even those who aren't connected to anyone on Bluesky. They think the same about Threads, because in their heads, they're still on Twitter where the secret-sauce algorithm would probably allow for that to happen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Threads #Meta #BridgyFed #Bluesky #Bridge #BlueskyBridge Long A few corrections here:
"aren't based on ActivityPub" ActivityPub is pretty new in the space, the oldest in the space is Diaspora.
The oldest one is actually OStatus, the protocol behind Laconi.ca/StatusNet/GNU social. It's from 2008. Diaspora* came out in September 2010.
Friendica is native ActivityPub and has a checkbox for native support of Diaspora and OStatus in the admin settings, both of which are older than AP
Friendica is native DFRN. It was launched in July 2010, so it's six years older than Mastodon and eight years older than the ActivityPub standard. Also, Friendica does things internally which AFAIK are still impossible with pure ActivityPub. Like on Hubzilla and (streams) to different degrees, ActivityPub is optional, but I think it's on by default for both nodes and accounts.
"Friendica is already fully federated with Bluesky" Not quite true, especially as Bluesky does not yet federate.
Not by Mastodon standards, but by Friendica standards.
In 2011, Friendica federated with Facebook. I'm not even kidding, it actually did. This federation required a Facebook account which was more or less remote-controlled from Friendica while also mirroring the Facebook friends list and the Facebook timeline into Friendica. But Friendica let this count as full federation. This ended when Facebook changed its TOS for external apps: They were no longer allowed to extract data.
Also, both Friendica and Hubzilla have a Twitter "bridge" to this day. It works the same as the Facebook connection, but it, too, counts as full federation by Friendica and Hubzilla's standards.
At least Friendica is also fully federated with Tumblr by its own standards. This wouldn't be possible without a Tumblr account either.
And the WordPress cross-poster available for both counts as federation, too.
"allegedly "hate-fuelling" Fediverse News is a public group account on Friendica" I haven't seen the claim myself, but the thread above was shared to the Fediverse News Friendica group. Since Groups are kind of a hack in AP (there's no actual group protocol feature), most Mastodon users are completely unfamiliar with them, so they think it's a regular user who's boosting/spamming all the conversation
...which led them into blocking the whole forum or even the entire Friendica node in their fuming rage.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #BridgyFed #Bluesky #Bridge #BlueskyBridge A few corrections here:
"aren't based on ActivityPub" ActivityPub is pretty new in the space, the oldest in the space is Diaspora.
The oldest one is actually OStatus, the protocol behind Laconi.ca/StatusNet/GNU social. It's from 2008. Diaspora* came out in September 2010.
Friendica is native ActivityPub and has a checkbox for native support of Diaspora and OStatus in the admin settings, both of which are older than AP
Friendica is native DFRN. It was launched in July 2010, so it's six years older than Mastodon and eight years older than the ActivityPub standard. Also, Friendica does things internally which AFAIK are still impossible with pure ActivityPub. Like on Hubzilla and (streams) to different degrees, ActivityPub is optional, but I think it's on by default for both nodes and accounts.
"Friendica is already fully federated with Bluesky" Not quite true, especially as Bluesky does not yet federate.
Not by Mastodon standards, but by Friendica standards.
In 2011, Friendica federated with Facebook. I'm not even kidding, it actually did. This federation required a Facebook account which was more or less remote-controlled from Friendica while also mirroring the Facebook friends list and the Facebook timeline into Friendica. But Friendica let this count as full federation. This ended when Facebook changed its TOS for external apps: They were no longer allowed to extract data.
Also, both Friendica and Hubzilla have a Twitter "bridge" to this day. It works the same as the Facebook connection, but it, too, counts as full federation by Friendica and Hubzilla's standards.
At least Friendica is also fully federated with Tumblr by its own standards. This wouldn't be possible without a Tumblr account either.
And the WordPress cross-poster available for both counts as federation, too.
"allegedly "hate-fuelling" Fediverse News is a public group account on Friendica" I haven't seen the claim myself, but the thread above was shared to the Fediverse News Friendica group. Since Groups are kind of a hack in AP (there's no actual group protocol feature), most Mastodon users are completely unfamiliar with them, so they think it's a regular user who's boosting/spamming all the conversation
...which led them into blocking the whole forum or even the entire Friendica node in their fuming rage.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #BridgyFed #Bluesky #Bridge #BlueskyBridgeSince the BridgyFed drama, there might be four more reasons for Mastodon users to want Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) out of the Fediverse. I mean, aside from their usual atrocities like their users writing well over 500 characters, using text formatting, quoting and quote-posting like it's totally normal. Because it is for them. And aside from no instance on any of the three having rules and moderator numbers on par with Mastodon.
One, they aren't based on ActivityPub. They're technically bridged to Mastodon. They're bridged one instance at the time, and the bridge is a plug-in on the instance and therefore part of the project. But still, it isn't that much different from BridgyFed connecting Bluesky to the rest of the Fediverse.
Two, since they aren't based on ActivityPub, they're aliens. Aliens of basically the same kind as Bluesky, only that they've mostly got those features that Mastodon has that Bluesky doesn't. But the BridgyFed drama isn't about Bluesky's features or lack thereof, and it isn't only about Bluesky being commercial either. It's also about Bluesky being too different in technology, functionality and culture. But let me tell you a secret: Bluesky is probably much closer to Mastodon than Hubzilla. I mean, I've already mentioned how Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) users "misbehave" from a Mastodon point of view. You won't see any of this come from Bluesky anytime soon.
Three, Friendica is already fully federated with Bluesky. It's a feature that was introduced with the latest stable release.
Four, speaking of Friendica, that allegedly "hate-fuelling" Fediverse News is a public group account on Friendica. Only that the user who started that particular thread is on Firefish, and Fediverse News only automatically forwarded what he had posted.
So where's the outrage
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #BridgyFed #Bluesky #Bridge #BlueskyBridgeSee also the way some Mastodon users freak out when they first discover the Fediverse isn't only Mastodon.
I mean, look at Friendica and Hubzilla and (streams). All three aren't based on ActivityPub, and yet, they're connected to Mastodon. They have plugins which, technically, are "bridges" for single instances.
Yes, they count as part of what they connect to ActivityPub instead of being third-party, but they work just the same as BridgyFed: They connect something that's completely alien by Mastodon's standards with a different underlying protocol a vastly different culture to Mastodon. And they offer no opt-in for Mastodon users.
It is at this point that the Mastodon users should start questioning whether Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) are actually part of the Fediverse. And if they should be. After all, these there aren't harmless either. They're the sources of atrocities by Mastodon's standards ranging from "quote-tweets" with no chance for Mastodon users to stop them to the freaky stuff Hubzilla and (streams) do with their nomadic identity and Friendica being fully federated with Bluesky already now without even needing BridgyFed.
Oh, and to everyone else: is on Friendica, and I'm on Hubzilla. Nice to see someone else chime in from the far end of the Fediverse.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Bluesky #Bridge #BlueskyBridge #BridgyFed Yup, that's another thing. Almost all of those who don't think that the Fediverse is only Mastodon think that the Fediverse was invented with Mastodon, and it was only ActivityPub until right now.
I wonder what they'd say if someone told them that Mastodon is already federated with stuff that a) isn't based on ActivityPub and b) is so much unlike Mastodon, namely Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams). All without their consent, in fact, even without any way of opting in. And opting out would be playing Whack-a-Mole with instances.
A good question for the ActivityPub purists would be: Where does the Fediverse end Is Hubzilla as a whole not part of the Fediverse because it isn't based on ActivityPub Is PubCrawl part of the Fediverse because it's the ActivityPub connector, but the rest of Hubzilla isn't Are the parts of Hubzilla that are exposed to Mastodon through PubCrawl part of the Fediverse, but everything else isn't (That'd mean I might no longer have to write these extensive image descriptions for articles because articles don't federate.) Or is all of Hubzilla part of the Fediverse
I guess many would simply shrug because they only know Hubzilla from hearsay. But let Hubzilla users commit some more "atrocities" by Mastodon's standards, and I guess there'll at least be a very vocal minority that wants all of Hubzilla to be Fediblocked while neither knowing nor caring how that could even be done.
Only that more than half of these "atrocities" plus even worse stuff on top can come from Misskey and the Forkeys just as well, and fairly few people question whether these projects are part of the Fediverse.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #ActivityPub #Fediverse
What if, the first time someone on Bluesky requests to follow someone on the fediverse via the bridge, the fediverse user gets prompted, X from Bluesky wants to follow you. Are you ok with connecting with Bluesky, maybe via DM. I assume that would still be considered opt in
It's opt-in all right. Not only that, but it's shoved right into the user's face along with the UI controls for opting in or not.
Nobody can claim that they've never heard of it, and that Bluesky has been forced upon them without their knowledge.
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Bluesky #Bridge #BlueskyBridge Nobody asked you whether you wanted your stuff to be exposed to Hubzilla either. And here I am, replying to you from Hubzilla because your comment appeared on my stream without your consent. 500 characters shamelessly exceeded, hard-coded weird hashtags, hard-coded freaky-looking mentions, text formatting and all.
In fact, himself federated his brand-new Mastodon with Friendica, Hubzilla, GNU social etc. back in 2016 the very moment he fired up the first instance, all without asking aspiring users if they're okay with that and without offering an opt-out in any shape or form. Just by using a protocol that they understood, too.
"We" may refer to the "pure ActivityPub and built around Mastodon" part of the Fediverse. But it's more likely to only mean Mastodon.
And I'm pretty sure that many many more Mastodon users would love to see everything that isn't Mastodon Fediblocked if only they had more exposure to it and knew more about it.
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All three don't use ActivityPub as their main protocol. They connect to ActivityPub through plugins which are not part of the core. So technically speaking, these plugins are part of the Fediverse, but everything else isn't, no matter how much actual ActivityPub code is in (streams)' core.
And all three are projects which, I dare say, not exactly few Mastodon users would love to see Fediblocked in their entirety for being so much different from Mastodon and from the expectations of the Mastodon crowd. Even many more would if only they know what these three are like, and what they can do that Mastodon can't, and how much different their cultures are from Mastodon's.
Anyway, if the Fediverse is defined as only projects based only on ActivityPub, the Fediverse doesn't exist since 2008. It came to exist when the very first project adopted ActivityPub as its main and only protocol which certainly wasn't before 2018. It's even debatable whether Mastodon has been part of the Fediverse before it dropped OStatus in 2019.
(Disclaimer: This comes from Hubzilla. This should explain a lot.)
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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta What'd be more interesting is not only how many of all Fediverse users are FediPact proponents, but also how many are opponents, how many don't care, and above all, how many have never even heard of it. You can't expect someone who has just come over from to mastodon.social to have an opinion on this.
Also, different projects, different opinions. I estimate 10% of all Mastodon users would even love to defederate from everything else in the Fediverse that isn't Mastodon because it's so non-Mastodon, and it does freaky stuff that shouldn't exist on Mastodon. At the same time, a large percentage of Friendica users is probably in favour of federating with Threads because Friendica's concept and culture has been about connectivity with everything that moves and then some since 2010.
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